An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right

A Compromise That Could Actually Work

scale.jpg

Yesterday, Sam Stein told us about a new compromise plan that is attracting attention because it’s designed to please both progressive Democrats who want a robust public option, and conservative Democrats who want to please the insurance industry.  Under this proposed plan, there would be a strong federal-level public option — the compromise would be that individual states could opt out:

“What folks are looking for is what gets 60 votes,” said a senior Democratic Hill aide. “The opt-out idea is very appealing to people. It has come up in conversations. I know personally that a handful of members have discussed it amongst themselves.”

In conversations with the Huffington Post, sources have said that while the opt-out approach to the public plan is in its nascent stages it has been discussed with leadership in the Senate. It was pulled out of an alternative idea, put forth by Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and, prior to him, former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, to give states the power to determine whether they want to implement a public insurance option.

But instead of starting with no national public option and giving state governments the right to develop their own, the newest compromise approaches the issue from the opposite direction: beginning with a national public option and giving state governments the right not to have one.

Josh Marshall has some early thoughts:

Now, I haven’t heard yet from the people who really understand the policy dimensions of this stuff, the people who know all the moving parts and whose opinions I trust. So consider my comments as very tentative, subject to change if, as is quite possible, there are dimensions of this I’m not considering. But just on the face of it, this sounds like a compromise reformers could embrace because I suspect many, probably most states would opt in, providing a plenty large enough pool to get to the bargaining power that is essential to make a public option work.

Part of my assumption here is that you’d have relatively few states opting out and they’d tend toward lower population states, likely clustered in the South and mountain states. So I suspect that a substantial majority of the population would be in opt-in states, providing the bargaining power that would make the public option threshold viable. And if the public option works, one would think the people in opt-out states would quickly become pretty envious of the folks in states who had the option and pressure their state governments to get in. Of course, if the public option was an abysmal failure the reverse would happen. But that’s another matter.

Nate Silver calls out “public option purists” who are objecting to this proposal (although not by name):

Some of the usual suspects are out this morning with criticism of Tom Carper’s compromise proposal to insert a robust public option into the Democrats’ health care bill, but allow states to opt out of it by legislative or popular action. I’m not going to call these people out by name because I consider some of them friends and they’re doing good, important, productive work. But this compromise is leaps and bounds better than most of the others that have been floated, such as Chuck Schumer’s proposal to have a public insurance option that would be forced to negotiate at private market rates.

He supports this with a long list of specific points. They are all good and sensible points, but there are too many to quote and I don’t want to single out just one or two, so read the entire piece.

I didn’t expect to ever endorse a public option compromise, but then again, I never expected someone would come up with a compromise that actually was a legitimate compromise, and not a cave-in to conservatives and insurance companies. I could live with this plan– and not grudgingly, either.

Barbara O’Brien — who is both strongly liberal and very level-headed and pragmatic (a delightful combination that is not at all common) tells us what she thinks right in the title of her post: “I Like This Idea.”

Given a choice between this and a watered-down public option (or no public option at all), I take this. Yes, a handful of the most regressive red states will opt out. And maybe when the citizens of those states realize what a dumb move that was, they’ll kick the troglodytes out of office. I think all of the states will come in eventually. And until “eventually” happens the rest of us won’t be held back by the stubborn ignorance of a minority.

Over at HuffPost today, Sam Stein picks up the story again, with the news that excitement is building over opt-out:

“[The opt-out] is one of the things being very seriously considered,” said Schumer. “I’m not going to — we have a range of things we’re considering. Senator Tom Carper (D-Del.) and I met for quite a while last night and made progress and talked to a large number of members last night, yesterday. And I am optimistic that there will be some kind of public option in the bill the president signs. I’m very optimistic.”

In private, aides on Capitol Hill say that the opt-out option remains one of several proposals being debating as a compromise to a straightforward national public plan. But, they add, it is quickly winning plaudits within the caucus. A senior aide said that Schumer was taking the lead on negotiating the compromise approach — along with Carper — and noted the significance of having the New York Democrat, who has been one of the most vocal supporters of a robust, national public plan out in front of the proposal. The aide also said that the opt-out proposal had been handed over to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid on Tuesday though the Nevada Democrat has yet to weigh in on its merits. “He will obviously consider it,” the aide said.

Another Democratic aide said that the proposal is attracting attention within the Caucus in part because progressives view it is a better alternative to other compromise approaches.

“It is clearly much better than triggers and [Carper's] opt-ins,” said Richard Kirsch, executive director of the group Health Care For Americans Now. “A trigger option is a way to kill the public option and these opt ins are not effective because it leaves it up to state legislatures to set it up…”

Ezra Klein is in, too:

That gives you an essentially national administrative structure, but also gives states the right to reject the option entirely. It means, in other words, that the blue states get the public option at full strength and the red states get to ignore it entirely.

That’s a real improvement over Tom Carper’s proposal allowing individual states to create their own public options, which would would be quite a bit weaker than a national program. It also creates a neat policy experiment: We can see, over time, what happens to state insurance markets that include the national public option and compare them with those that don’t. We can see whether the worst fears of conservatives are realized and private insurers are driven out and providers are forced out of business due to low payment rates, and we can see whether the hopes of liberals are right and costs come down and private insurers become leaner and more efficient. Or both, or neither. It’s an opportunity to pit liberal and conservative policies against each other, rather than just pitting liberal and conservative congressmen against each other.

More thumbs-up from Paul Krugman and Howard Dean.

  • tidbits
    This is actually an interesting idea, one of the best I've seen in the course of the debate. It makes sense on a number of levels, particularly the test/comparison model of states who stay in v. states who opt out. The devil is in the details, but this is the first thing to come out of the muddled health reform warfare that really intrigues me.

    I'm trying to figure out now how the insurance industry will attack to kill it or use their lobbying power to "revise" it to their advantage. If something like this gets through clean, it could actually force insurance companies to rein in premiums and could, potentially, have an impact on underlying health care costs...two elements missing in the current proposals in Congress.

    Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.



  • kathykattenburg
    Kathy, please keep us current as more details become available.

    I will -- I'm rather excited about this myself. :-)
  • redbus
    Do you know, Kathy, how Americans living abroad would have access to this new public option health care system? I ask the question selfishly, since I fall in this category.
  • JeffersonDavis
    And yet, alas, this "compromise" does nothing to address the problem we now have.

    (broken record)
    Very few in Congress have the cojones to face down the insurance, pharmaceutical, healthcare, and tort lobby with tough regulation. Of course that would CURE the problem and bring down costs immediately, instead of drastically changing the system and forcing us trillions of dollars further into debt.

    The state opt-out sounds interesting as long as the states that opt out don't have to chip in to pay for those that don't. If that's the case, and Congress refuses to address the issues above, then I'm in.
  • EEllis
    As long as the states that opt out don't pay in then it's very possible. Personally I would prefer that the States "opt in" but I'm not such a stickler that it would be a deal breaker. It preserves one of the things I feel is so valuable about our system. That States can do things their own way to suit the people that live there and people can also find the location that suits them best.
  • superdestroyer
    The only reason for a public option is so that it can be subsidized with tax dollars and undercut the private sector. That is why it will not start until 2013. The Democrats want to push the job loses from shutting down most of the private insurers until after the next presidential election.

    It is laughable to hear Democrats talk about wanting to create jobs when they are wanting to shut down private medical insurance, manufacturing in the U.S., the oil and gas industry, and most segments of the private sector.
  • HemmD
    It would be interesting if there was a table showing how much health insurance premiums cost per state. I know the cost of living varies regionally, but with that factored in, one could certainly imply some useful information.

    IMO
  • tidbits
    JD -

    We agree that this does not solve all the problems. But, it looks like some sort of health bill is coming our way, and this could be an improvement over what we were talking about two days ago.

    It will all be in the details as you point out. States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don't. Like you, I'd like to see Congress do something that didn't involve a bow and a courtsey to the insurance industry.
  • Dr J
    States that opt out should be able to opt out cleanly, without having to pay for those that don't.

    Good luck with that. You can make that true on the face of it, but medicare funding shows the problem. Medicare is running in deficit, and it's general funds that have to make up the difference.
  • tidbits
    Dr J -

    We'll have to see what comes of this. I'm not sure Medicare is a good comparison because it is universal with no opt out. There is also the issue about how premiums would be set and paid for within an opt-out public option. My cynical hunch is that Congress is counting on those, "young invincibles" in particlular, who will pay the fine because it is cheaper than purchasing insurance, with that revenue then being used to fund, at least in part, the subsidies for others.

    For now, the "opt-out" proposal is an interesting idea. How it would, or could, be implemented is where the rubber will hit the road.
  • DLS
    Actually, there should be no "presumed consent" (nor taxation without associated consent), and rather than an "opt-out" feature, it should be an "opt-in" feature.

    Note that the foregoing should be done with so many "grand" things people want the nation to do (which they presume should be done by the federal government).

    And note the more fundamental issue here, which is that government health care proponents are failing to try to get this kind of thing done by state governments, where they should be looking always first before ever considering the federal government. But a federal approach, it is going to be. This "opt-out" (or an "opt-in" superior alternative, for that matter) is obviously adding another measure of incrementalism to the (already-incrementalist) current effort in order to progress through opposition (which makes prompt universal federal health care, replacing the private insurers, impossible).

    What this is ("opt-out") is an added qualification on the public option and certainly the public option remains alive at this time.
  • DLS
    "Medicare is running in deficit, and it's general funds that have to make up the difference."

    Nobody sane expected Medicare (or Social Security) reform and rescue before attempting something much more ambitious and larger in scope like health care for more people, did they? (Or believed the vows by Obama and anyone else who said reform was needed and would be done)
  • JeffersonDavis
    You and I agree totally. This is actually a plan that belongs on this site: The MODERATE Voice.
    As I said, if they don't require payment (or higher federal taxes) from those that opt-out, I'd tell my representatives to go for it.
  • DLS
    Now it's time to look at the other side of this -- to foresee and forestall "patient dumping."

    States should be able to opt out, and not have to pay taxes if they opt out, certainly. But a detail would have to be included, prohibiting, then, people in those opt-out states from buying insurance elsewhere (in other states, that is). Otherwise critics may rightly suspect some states may prefer to opt-out and leave (force) those with little recourse to rely on buying insurance from other states (whose systems would use federal money as well as have subsidized or otherwise cost-reduced "insurance" available to all). It is a variant, in other words, of a "race to the bottom" scenario -- in this case, opting out of the federal public system but (with a wink and a nudge and even the open encouragement of it by their own states' own public service personnel), to have people who need help and could benefit from a public system in their own state, to resort to getting insurance from other states with public systems, if interstate purchase was allowed.
  • Guest
    Any bill that is produced that does not include real tort reforms can not be taken seriously. At this very moment, on the cover of the Tampa Bay Yellow Pages, there are three different advertisements for three different malpractice firms. JUST ON THE COVER! On my way to work, I see SIX roadside billboards, advertising the services of malpractice attorneys. This along a four mile stretch of northbound 275. If you don't think physicians think about these things, you are wrong. I know I do. I know my colleagues do. What a shame. You can bet I am going to order every test in the book to CMA with little regard to the cost. I am not about to give away what took me over a decade and a half to earn. Not a chance. The arguments against real tort reforms are old, tired, and stopped holding water a long time ago.

    Christopher Russo, M.D.
    University of Michigan Medical School '94
  • Guest
    I will not pretend I have all of the answers. I will leave that to folks who are smarter than I am. I do know that just the threat of getting sued plays a huge role in how physicians conduct themselves on a day to day basis. With today's medicolegal climate, when I go to work and see a fairly routine patient with a fairly routine complaint, I am much more inclined to order a $10,000 work-up to get a 99% diagnosis, than to spend $200 to get a 97% diagnosis. Knowing that there are dozens of malpractice attorneys around the corner salivating to get their hands on me. Knowing full well, that although I may be innocent of any wrong doing, I may be tied up in court for years and that a judgement may be settled out of court because it is cheaper than actually defending myself. This is 'lawsuit lotto', and the attorneys know this. They will tell you that they are protecting patient's rights, yet take 60% or more of any award. Make no mistake, I agree with compensating a person who is a victim of gross negligence, however, the trial lawyers have the current system rigged and flood Congress with money to keep it that way. Shine it up any way you want, but it still stinks.
blog comments powered by Disqus
© 2005-2009 The Moderate Voice | Site design by Elegant Themes | Site customization, hosting, and security by Enxit Group, LLC