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Well let's be honest here, any chance of creating national parks today (if it hadn't already been done) wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. The inevitable obstruction and demonizing from one party, combined with the inevitable caving from the other, would put the brakes on it in one big, ugly hurry.
The ironic part is many Repubs love to cite NPS godfather Teddy Roosevelt as an inspiration, even though he committed several acts that they would viewed as “socialistic” in this excessively idealogical environs.
Theodore Roosevelt (the father of American National Parks) was a Republican.
There went your theory that ALL Republicans are scum. Anyone from ANY party that is beholden to corporate special interests (be they liberal or conservative ones) is the very form of disgust you mentioned.
Yep. Teddy is my favorite president. I'm a democrat, so don't assume I'm GOP. He put things into existence that never existed before – good things. He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over. THAT'S socialism.
JD “He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over.”
He did smash monopolies, a very progressive action. Seems to me the present GOP show little similarity to the likes of Teddy or Abe. One could argue that the initial GOP morphed into the current progressive movement of today.
[shrug] The Left is simply continue to express its petty little frustration at its self-destructive health care “reform” effort, and extra resentful that their American Idol's base lobbying campaign for a Blue Nation city to host the Olympics fizzled so badly (and probably harmed health care more in the sad process). As to the national parks, I noted one or two things earlier that are beyond libs' reach, it seems (no surprise there). Rather than try more land grabs in the West, why not be more practical and less hypocritical (and colonialist-elitist) and create large national parks in the East, especially in Blue Nation territory, where so many more people reside and could [gasping at the "crime"] use or exploit those new parks?
“He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over.”
It was Wilson who felt it was up to the federal government to run the railroads. (To what extent this is related to their subsequent downfall at the same time as the rise of automobility is an open question.)
Note that post-1960s radicalized liberalism (even if dishonestly called “progressive”) is not the same (nor is Teddy Roosevelt, “that damned cowboy” as J.P. Morgan called him) as earlier capital-P Progressivism, except in a common general sense (government interventionism, redefinition of “liberal” from its classic sense, now called “libertarian,” to something more authoritarian as well as collectivist). The old capital-P Progressives were as positive (not merely idealistic) as they were critical or negative (certainly not angry in the nihilistic post-1960s sense that is destructive and perverse).
I'm glad he smashes monopolies (based on the anti-trust laws enacted by Congress). And you're right…. There are few present GOPers that are like Teddy or Abe.
I, personally, am a Jeffersonian democrat. Oddly enough, there's few present Democrats that answer that call as well. And there's the rub. Both parties are stacked with partisan hacks.
Disgusting Republican Party.
Well let's be honest here, any chance of creating national parks today (if it hadn't already been done) wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell. The inevitable obstruction and demonizing from one party, combined with the inevitable caving from the other, would put the brakes on it in one big, ugly hurry.
The ironic part is many Repubs love to cite NPS godfather Teddy Roosevelt as an inspiration, even though he committed several acts that they would viewed as “socialistic” in this excessively idealogical environs.
Shhh… they get mad if you point out their hypocrisy.
Theodore Roosevelt (the father of American National Parks) was a Republican.
There went your theory that ALL Republicans are scum.
Anyone from ANY party that is beholden to corporate special interests (be they liberal or conservative ones) is the very form of disgust you mentioned.
I just wish you'd accept that.
Yep. Teddy is my favorite president. I'm a democrat, so don't assume I'm GOP.
He put things into existence that never existed before – good things.
He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over.
THAT'S socialism.
You don‘t know much about your favorite president. Teddy Roosevelt quit the Republican party and became a member of the Progressive party.
I said he WAS a Republican.
His leaving the Republican party, is much like I feel.
I may have to leave the Democratic party to become a member of the Constitution Party.
Gettin' kinda tired of the libs taking over my beloved party.
JD
“He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over.”
He did smash monopolies, a very progressive action. Seems to me the present GOP show little similarity to the likes of Teddy or Abe. One could argue that the initial GOP morphed into the current progressive movement of today.
[shrug] The Left is simply continue to express its petty little frustration at its self-destructive health care “reform” effort, and extra resentful that their American Idol's base lobbying campaign for a Blue Nation city to host the Olympics fizzled so badly (and probably harmed health care more in the sad process). As to the national parks, I noted one or two things earlier that are beyond libs' reach, it seems (no surprise there). Rather than try more land grabs in the West, why not be more practical and less hypocritical (and colonialist-elitist) and create large national parks in the East, especially in Blue Nation territory, where so many more people reside and could [gasping at the "crime"] use or exploit those new parks?
“He did not dismantle industries and let the government take them over.”
It was Wilson who felt it was up to the federal government to run the railroads. (To what extent this is related to their subsequent downfall at the same time as the rise of automobility is an open question.)
Note that post-1960s radicalized liberalism (even if dishonestly called “progressive”) is not the same (nor is Teddy Roosevelt, “that damned cowboy” as J.P. Morgan called him) as earlier capital-P Progressivism, except in a common general sense (government interventionism, redefinition of “liberal” from its classic sense, now called “libertarian,” to something more authoritarian as well as collectivist). The old capital-P Progressives were as positive (not merely idealistic) as they were critical or negative (certainly not angry in the nihilistic post-1960s sense that is destructive and perverse).
I'm glad he smashes monopolies (based on the anti-trust laws enacted by Congress).
And you're right…. There are few present GOPers that are like Teddy or Abe.
I, personally, am a Jeffersonian democrat. Oddly enough, there's few present Democrats that answer that call as well. And there's the rub. Both parties are stacked with partisan hacks.