Trent Franks Calls Obama “An Enemy of Humanity”

Sometimes it's really embarassing to live in Arizona where a President isn't worthy of an honorary degree at a state university because his "body of work" is insufficient and where your congressional repesentatives make these kinds of statements. Did I forget to mention the loony so-called minister who prays for the President's death? It must be the heat.

I await furthur 'clarification' of the Representative's remarks, nobody could be THAT stupid.

Yes, the Congressman is an idiot.
Approximately 430 of them are. Big shock.

But the abortion of innocent children is an act of someone with very little regard for humanity.
Humanity in its purest form IS the innocence of a child.

I've yet to meet anyone who is "pro abortion". Please tell me...what's it like? Do they hang posters in their bedrooms? Attend pro-abortion events? Have seekrit hand signals?

Actually, we meet in the clearings of the woods at midnight and dance around giant bonfires, naked, chanting pagan rituals.

Or, so I've heard...

yes, we too, though we avoid the bonfires this time of the year due to fire season. Rhetorically speaking, of course.

Of course it couldn't possibly be that they just disagree with you and other conservative Christians about when it is considered human life, could it?

There aren't 430 members of Congress who would call the President of the United States an "enemy of humanity."

But the abortion of innocent children is an act of someone with very little regard for humanity.

You do not know what you are saying, and you do not know what you are talking about.

I'm going to give you a chance to back off before I blast you to smithereens (without any deadly weapons except my fingers).

Your choice.

"You do not know what you are saying, and you do not know what you are talking about."

Thanks, Kathy. And here I thought I did. I'm sorry I didn't ask your permission first.


"I'm going to give you a chance to back off before I blast you to smithereens (without any deadly weapons except my fingers)."

Load up those fingers, take aim, and give it your best shot, darlin'. Make sure to bring a full clip. You'll need it (metaphorically, of course). I stand ready to take your best. This ain't my first rodeo.

You can find both sides making stupid statements, this goes in the file.

As does this by Alan Grayson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYulxHrJibI

OMG!!! Republicans what Americans to "Die Quickly"

*rolls eyes*

"I've yet to meet anyone who is 'pro abortion'."

Come to planet Earth someday.

"Load up those fingers, take aim, and give it your best shot, darlin'."

"Firing blanks blindly" = Health Care desperation (or "right winger" phobia)

Okay, JD. Here goes. I'm going to measure my words slightly, only because I don't want this comment to be removed.

First of all, your statement that a fetus is "humanity in its purest form" is unthinking drivel. Innocence is not the measure of humanity. There is no "pure form" of humanity. That's an oxymoron -- a word I chose with great care and deliberation.

I have had two abortions, and have no regrets. If the circumstances were the same, I would have them again, without hesitation. So you have just looked me in the eye and told me I have little regard for humanity. I would say that that judgment falls much more heavily on you than on me, considering the physical torment, agony, and suffering that you obviously believe must be supported in order to qualify as having a "regard for humanity."

My best friend from college had an abortion, and she too would have done it again if the circumstances were the same. My friend is part of humanity. The fetus she aborted was not. And my friend has more regard for humanity in her pinkie than you have in your entire body.

About 35 years ago, my cousin was gang-raped in her own home by two men who broke in through an open window during the night. If she had become pregnant as a result of that rape, and been prevented from having an abortion by law supported by the likes of you, the low regard for humanity would not be hers.

In Haditha, Iraq, at least a dozen civilians, including children, one only a few months old, were slaughtered by Marines who shot blindly through doors without even bothering to find out who was inside. Shamefully, they were officially found to have acted appropriately, but that does not change what they did. If a fetus is humanity in its purest form, and a six-month-old infant is not, then your definition of humanity is twisted, perverted, and monstrous.

And don't even think of telling me that killing civilians in war (when Americans do it) is accidental and unintentional and should not be condemned. War is the organized killing of innocents -- especially in our time. No one goes to war not knowing this, even if they don't acknowledge it to themselves. There is no "accidental" killing in war. There is only gradations of culpability. War itself -- the institution and the practice -- is the supreme formal, official, organized disregard for humanity. But not for you, eh? Because for you, the "purest" form of humanity is a fetus that is "pure" only because it hasn't been born and by definition has not experienced, thought, felt, or participated in anything that actually defines humanity.

Finally, until the time (if ever) that I get some sense from you of how utterly wrong and immoral it is to suggest that someone like William Kristol -- who never met a war he didn't like while knowing he never had to and never will have to be in one -- has more regard for humanity than a woman who has an abortion because she will die or suffer serious health problems without one, or because the fetus has a terrible fatal genetic condition that causes great physical suffering and certain death at an extremely early age, or because she is 13 and was raped by her father, or because she is a grown woman and was gang-raped, or for any number of other compelling reasons you will never know and never have to know and never have to struggle with, I will not be communicating with you via these threads.

And that includes any reply you make to this.

Ok, Kat.... I'll take them one at a time.

"There is no "pure form" of humanity."
That is incorrect. Love for our fellow man is the purest form of humanity. It comes out in the best and worst of circumstances.

"I have had two abortions, and have no regrets. If the circumstances were the same, I would have them again, without hesitation. So you have just looked me in the eye and told me I have little regard for humanity."
That is correct. I am not saying that you have no regard for humanity, but I will look you in the eye and tell you that your murder of another human being was inhumane. People justify lots of their injust behaviors. For you, you have convinced yourself that the "fleshly growth" you "aborted" was just that - not life at all. That's been the liberal platform all along. It's not murder - it's abortion. It's not a baby - it's a fetus. It's not life - it's a choice.

"considering the physical torment, agony, and suffering that you obviously believe must be supported in order to qualify as having a "regard for humanity."
Suffering is a part of being human. We try to avoid it, but to murder to avoid it is inhumane.


"About 35 years ago, my cousin was gang-raped in her own home by two men "
And so it begins. Liberals love giving the "what if" scenarios. Here's a tidbit:
Only 1% of all abortions are from rape. That does not justify the other 99%.


"And don't even think of telling me that killing civilians in war (when Americans do it) is accidental and unintentional and should not be condemned. "
That's apples and oranges (again) Kat. When governments kill, it's called war. When individuals kill it's called murder. Even the Surpreme Court ruled on that a long time ago. And killing civilians is NOT WAR. Killing combatants is war. I have been through war too many times. Not ONCE, did my men and I ever kill a civilian. By the way..... when a "civilian" picks up a weapon, is planting a roadside bomb, or is attempting a suicide bombing, he then becomes a combatant.


"William Kristol"....
I never mentioned William Kristol, nor do I listen to anything he has to say. Where did you get that?
As far as further mentioning the rape, incest, heath issues..... As I stated above, those are the vast minority. Those three reasons make up a total of 7% of all abortions. That does not justify the rest.

The vast majority of abortions is because they don't WANT a baby.
Here's a thought..... If you don't want a child, try excercising self control and don't have sex. It really is that simple.


And you are right.... I never will have to struggle with abortion. If I were a woman, I STILL wouldn't have to struggle with it. I would never violate my principles like that.

As far as "I will not be communicating with you via these threads."
I truly hope that is not the case. I respect your opinion and love the debate.

You are my American sister. I've got nothing but love for you.