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Talk Radio Feud: Mark Levin Blasts Glenn Beck

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As Bugs Bunny used to say, “Of course you know, this means war!” But this time it’s verbal war: it’s rising conservative bombastic talker Mark Levin against Glenn Beck.

As we noted in this earlier post, Beck is coming under fire now from some conservatives who feel he’s bad for the conservative movement. Beck is being seen by some to be a bad image for conservatives and Republicans overall.

But could there also be some professional jealousy at work here? Beck seems to have tapped into a big market share of GOPers and is getting lots of media coverage for his ability to mobilize talk radio political culture conservatives. He’s the new kid on the block who many feel may be off his block, but he is tapping into the same kind of anti-government feelings that Ross Perot captured more than 10 years ago.

Now Beck has said that the country would have been worse off if John McCain had been elected. And, Think Progress reports, this elicited an angry response from Levin, a conservative talker closely allied with Limbaugh:

Beck’s opinion elicited a fierce and angry response from right-wing radio host Mark Levin yesterday. “To say [McCain] would be worse is mindless, mindless, incoherent as a matter of fact,” Levin said on his radio show. He then suggested Beck is playing politics: “I don’t know who people are playing to. I don’t know why they’re playing to certain people.”

Levin never mentions Beck by name (he refers to Beck as “the 5 pm’er” because Beck’s show airs at 5 pm on Fox News). He concluded with this final dig at Beck:

“I think there’s enormous confusion and positioning and pandering. It may be entertaining, but from my perspective, it’s not. It’s pathetic.”

Think Progress’ post has some other links about other conservatives upset with Beck — including Joe Scarborough (who is actually so independent from the prevailing conservative talk radio culture that he is probably considered a RINO by many conservatives).

This is a fascinating twist.

Since the ascent of Rush Limbaugh conservative talk has become a kind of rallying point for Republicans. It gathers the GOP faithful (an audience) and sets forth the the popular party polemics (the monologues by the talkers). Yes, the RNC may email or fax talking points but the conservative talkers aren’t given orders by the RNC – they are independent and make their own decisions, according to their own political biases (which generally favor the RNC). Even so, if you want to find out what the RNC feels and what the latest party spin is, just tune into Limbaugh or Sean Hannity — whose show sounds like it is rip ‘n read RNC.

Beck throws a monkey wrench into some of this.

He’s the wild card in the de facto party message emitted by most talkers (Michael Savage does not always repeat the party line). Talkers such as Levin, Limbaugh and Hannity can’t be pleased seeing Beck’s face on Time magazine’s cover or reading pundits write about Beck’s increasing impact on moving his audiences to action and forcing the Obama administration to react to forces set in motion by Beck.

Talk radio became the tail wagging the Republican dog; Beck poses the risk to conservative talkers and mainstream conservatives of becoming the big flea who determines how, when and in what direction the tail that wags the dog wags.

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UPDATE: For more details on the conservative backlash to Beck and Scarborough’s comments GO HERE. Here’s one quote from Scarborough:

Scarborough: But when you preach this kind of hatred, and say that an African American president hates all white people — stay with me — hates all white people, you are playing with fire. And bad things can happen. And if they do happen, not only is Glenn Beck responsible, but conservatives who don’t — call — him — out — are responsible.

Scarborough’s comments are significant but it’s really apples and oranges including him in the same category as Levin. Levin is of the Limbaugh/Sean Hannity school. Scarborough clearly marches to his own drummer: he is often both praised and denounced on progressive websites, praised and denounced on conservative websites. That’s because although he’s a Republican, he doesn’t seem to view his show as a way to get certain people elected, but rather as a vehicle to comment through his own ideological and life’s experience prism.

But it’s clear some kind of conservative backlash against Beck has begun on several fronts. The one teeny-weenie factor: it probably won’t make a difference to Beck’s fans who increasingly seem to see him as a singular voice of truth, saying what they are already thinking or have been close to thinking.

One likely impact: if Beck is making headway and garnering huge ratings (boycott shmoycott) by calling on activists to get out there on specific issues and raises (or rather lowers) the bar on how he negatively characterizes Obama, then look for the other talkers to try and match — or surpass him.

Don’t expect Levin, Limbaugh or Hannity to be confused with a CSPAN host any time soon.

UPDATE II:
Here’s a good roundup on Beck.

  • imavettoo
    Please, have at it children!
  • ProfElwood
    Anyone who can bust others' bubbles, has got to be good for debate. There should be several viewpoints heard on every subject.
  • kritt11
    Its just jealousy- plain and simple. None of the talk radio jocks were happy that McCain was the nominee for their party- so why pretend now? Limbaugh isn't used to sharing the limelight-- and Levin is annoyed that he's not considered to have the impact that Beck has.

    I think Beck is just another agitator- demagoging the party faithful with half truths, lies and distortions-- but he DOES have a deceptively populist approach that appeals to a certain sector of the GOP. Glenn Beck has a reasonable approach to his subject matter-- so if you don't read sources on both sides, he almost sounds convincing.

    Its different from Hannity, Limbaugh and Levin whose shows largely consist of serial bashing of anyone or thing that remotely approaches liberalism.
  • Levin accuses Beck of playing politics? Wow! Like Levin is one to talk.

    For those people who think O'Reilly loses all sense of civility when he shouts at his guests, you haven't heard ANYTHING until you've heard Mark Levin.

    Mark Levin is a certified warmonger. He appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show back in January/February of 2003 so that he could "debate" some antiwar activist who apparently didn't have any idea who Mark Levin was or what he was getting himself into. During the brief time that the debate lasted, Levin shouted non-stop ad hominem attacks at the antiwar activist.

    During his tirade, Levin compared people who spoke out against the Iraq War to 1930's Germans who allowed the Holocaust to occur.

    Think about that! According to Mark Levin, darling of the conservative movement, speaking out against a pre-emptive war is equivalent to being indifferent to the systematic murder of more than six million Jews!

    Mark Levin also regularly used ad hominem attacks to lash out against Ron Paul supporters during the 2008 Republican Presidential primaries.

    Frankly, calling Mark Levin "right-wing" is an afront to the entire "right wing" movement. Mark Levin is a professional hatemonger.











  • superdestroyer
    Considering that conservatives and Republicans are irrelevant to the political process, who cares that they are arguing with each other.

    However, Beck is correct if for no other reason than a McCain administration would be filled with former
    Bush administration types who spent eight years showing the world how incompetent they were.

    Since conservatives are irrelevant to politics and governance, maybe progressives should spent their time disucssing real issues and those who really are relevant to poltics, policy, and governance instead of talking about a group that is irrelevant.
  • Don Quijote
    Frankly, calling Mark Levin "right-wing" is an afront to the entire "right wing" movement. Mark Levin is a professional hatemonger.


    Is there's a right-wing talk show host who is not a professional hater?
  • DaGoat
    I haven't listened to these shows for years, but Mark Levin was a second-tier personality and I would doubt he's jealous of Beck. Levin has been playing second fiddle his whole career and seemed to be OK with that.

    As others have said above, this is really the pot calling the kettle black. Beck and Levin are both bad for conservatism, and Levin has hardly been the voice of reason.
  • Silhouette
    Remember, Limbaugh called Obama a "Halfrican-american". What was the other half? Oh yes, that would be "white". So is Beck correct saying that Obama hates all white people? Even his momma and his beloved grandparents? What about all the white friends he had growing up in the white school he went to and all the white people he's done work with, recreated with and enjoyed the company of? Suddenly he's Malcom X after being raised in Whitey-McWhitetown his whole life? Get real!

    If anything, blacks should be mad at him for being so damned white..lol.. My daughter has a friend just like him, half black and white and raised in an area where I think I've seen about ten black people in a year's time. She's absolutely as white as the whitest girl you can find [but with maddenly beautiful dark skin and a body like a model, over six feet tall]. She's a crack up. Her voice is so quite and soft that you have to really perk up your ears to hear what she's saying. She likes bands like Tom Petty, Madonna, Modest Mouse and so on. Unless she's looking in a mirror I doubt she has the slightest clue about how she's "supposed" to be different from all her friends. Nobody reminds her and so she remains the one white girl who tans better than anyone else..lol..

    Great girl by the way, super friendly and smart. Pretty much like Obama.. If Beck pulled his head out of his arse he'd figure out he'd make more hate-headway courting the blacks to hate Obama..lol..
  • Rudi
    LOL While at CNN Beck was reined in and somewhat entertaning, aT fox HE'S OFF HIS MEDS WITHOUT ANY ADULT SUPERVISION.

    But levin is the last one to complain about Beck. In fact he's a bigger assh%%e than Beck.
    http://blog.beliefnet.com/crunchycon/2009/05/th...
    I don't listen to talk radio a lot, because I have a short commute between office and home. But last fall, I got into the car with a colleague to go pick up a pizza (we were working late), and heard some conservative talker with a screechy voice just making an ass of himself. Even when I disagree with Limbaugh, he's interesting to listen to -- funny and entertaining. So too with Laura Ingraham, and even Anne Coulter. But this guy was just horrible. He sounded horrible, and he whined and moaned and basically carried on like the shrill crackpot at the bar that you excuse yourself to go to the bathroom to get away from, and then head for the door.

    "That's Mark Levin," my friend explained.

    Conor Friedersdorf listened to a Levin bit the other day, in which the radio talker had the following exchange:

    MARK LEVIN: Answer me this, are you a married woman? Yes or no?

    CALLER: Yes.

    MARK LEVIN: Well I don't know why your husband doesn't put a gun to his temple. Get the hell out of here.
  • kritt11
    How anyone can consider Beck, OR, Hannity, Levin or Limbaugh conservatives is beyond me. They are radical demagogues who purposefully instigate radicalism in their listeners using distortions and propaganda in the name of playing it straight with their listeners.

    They are the Father Coughlins of our time and are a real threat to our democracy.
  • Leonidas
    Beck is actually more of a populist Libertarian than a Conservative. Levin is more of a conservative. This looks kinda like a Conservative pundit vs Libertarian pundit feud. They do happen on occassion.
  • DLS
    "This looks kinda like a Conservative pundit vs Libertarian pundit feud."

    Or it's just a ratings war, filling the Coulter (and Hannity) vacuum.
  • DLS
    "They are the Father Coughlins of our time and are a real threat to our democracy."

    To say the least, that's a Gore-like, ahem, "exaggeration."

    Limbaugh, in fact, remains the best. The others are followers-on, who typically are louder and aren't as entertaining.

    In fact, what Obama should do is try to get onto Limbaugh's show if he's any more desperate than he already is with the health care effort. (Or he can reserve it, that decision and attempt, for some other, appropriately effective time later this year or sometime afterward.) Most open-minded liberals would enjoy hearing Limbaugh have to face Obama (if only indirectly, behind his Golden EIB Microphone in his Attila the Hun Chair from his studio that day) and be properly deferential -- almost sucking up to the President, in fact.
  • kritt11
    DLS- I don't think it is an exaggeration. Coughlin's program spread propaganda -- and so do Rush and his buddies. The worst elements of society are his regular listeners. He's an example of a totally phony Christian, who cares nothing about the disadvantaged classes in this country or about social justice.
  • DLS
    "Coughlin's program spread propaganda -- and so do Rush and his buddies."

    I don't consider most of what he says (at least what I have heard) to be propagandistic. I believe he's been wrong about this and that, on occasion, when I've listened to him. (At the same time as his show, at lunchtime here, is the Thom Hartmann show, on the station that plays far lefty talk radio, and I often listen to Hartmann instead; if I'm out in the afternoon, I'll listen to Ed Schultz rather than Sean Hannity, for example. And of course, I don't neglect NPR on FM radio.) Limbaugh isn't as bad as the other righties (who are copycats with a loud edge, as a rule) and makes much more sense (to the extent I've heard him and the others, at least) than many far-lefty talkers (though probably anyone can make more sense than dippy Stephanie Miller and her morning I-think-I'm-a-comedienne show).
  • kritt11
    DLS-

    I listened to his show every day for a while a few years ago. And whatever talking points Karl Rove issued from the White House, came right out of his mouth- almost word for word. A lot of it as we now know turned out not to be true, and what's worse damaged our economy and prestige on the world stage.

    Rush was carrying water for Bush/Cheney --- and very seldom split from them. Even worse now, he and Beck are seen as the leaders of the GOP- not Michael Steele, not Mitch McConnell, not John Boehner. He manipulates public opinion with distortions, lies and quotes out of context to further his agenda. That, my friend is propaganda. It may be entertaining but that doesn't change it.

    I've heard all of those right wing hacks tell their listeners that they can't trust the MSM, so they need to get their news right from them. You can be a dittohead or you can be Hannitized--- but you'd better not disagree with them on the air. Basically its brainwashing. Levin is like Michael Savage - loud, rude, and very extreme.

    I would never listen to anyone - or at least believe them- who told me to get my news from just one source. Billo does the same thing with his "no spin zone".
  • Ricorun
    DLS: Or it's just a ratings war, filling the Coulter (and Hannity) vacuum.

    Huh? Obviously Coulter (and Hannity) are still alive and well. So if there's a vacuum, what caused it?
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