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America’s Sweet Tooth Tax Debate

Congratulations to Americans Against Food Taxes for producing a political issues ad that is accurate. The group opposes a one-cent per-ounce tax on sugary soft drinks that Congress is eyeballing to generate more revenue. The ads claim the regressive tax would hit those who least can afford it the most.

On the flip side, sugar tax advocates say the products they are targeting pose a significant contributor to juvenile diabetes, high blood pressure and obesity and could generate $15 billion in the first year to fight the diseases. The tax would apply to soft drinks, energy drinks, sports beverages and many juices and ice teas, but not sugar-free diet drinks.

The major fallacy in both arguments is that sugar is Satin when added ingredients such as fructose and corn syrup are the real devils.

The issue is so hot Congress removed the proposal from its health reform legislation to consider it as a separate revenue issue later this year. Translation: The beverage industry lobby smacks a powerful punch.

The New England Journal of Medicine Wednesday reported findings of a study that the tax would not only raise revenues but also have a significant effect on reducing weight and other health risks. The study cited research on price elasticity for soft drinks that has shown that for every 10% rise in price, consumption declines 8 to 10%. A similar study on cigarette taxes showed a decline in smoking among adults by 2% and teenagers 7%.

From the New York Times:

John Sicher, the publisher of Beverage Digest, a trade publication, said that a two-liter bottle of soda sells for about $1.35. At 67.6 ounces, if the full tax was passed on to consumers, that would add 50% to the price. A 12-can case, which sells today for about $3.20, could rise by $1.44, a 45% increase.

“A one cent per ounce tax would create serious problems and potentially adversely impact sales for the American beverage industry,” Sicher said.

The Times also quotes Kevin W. Keane, senior vice president of public relations for the beverage industry:

“When it comes to losing weight, all calories count, regardless of the food source,” Keane said. “The bottom line is that the tax isn’t going to make anybody healthier. It’s not going to make a dent in a problem as complex and serious as obesity, and we’re certainly not going to solve the complexities of the health care system with a tax on soda pop.”

Susan K. Neely, president of the American Beverage Association, takes it a step further. She maintains that soft drinks don’t play a role in the obesity epidemic – that consuming too much is the problem. “Soft drinks are just a fun beverage along with a lot of other beverages and foods that we like to eat or drink. It’s eating too much of something that is a problem,” she said.

Kelly Brownell, director of the Rudd Center for Obesity at Yale University said in an interview with ABC TV that a penny-an-ounce tax would have an immediate and powerful impact on the nation’s elevated obesity rate. He called it a home run.

He said that a tax was justified in part because conditions like obesity and diabetes are often treated with public funds through programs like Medicaid and Medicare. Revenue from the tax could help pay for such care.

According to the ABC report, the average American consumes 50 cans of soda pop per month.

The heart of the argument for limiting sugary consumption is Americans consume too much — about 22 teaspoons daily or 355 calories per day when only six teaspoons are needed, according to Rachel K. Johnson, lead author of the statement published online Monday in the American Heart Association journal Circulation.

I have a simple solution to the sweet tooth addicts. Instead of sugar, add Splenda or any other artificial sweetener.

What boggles my mind is that health experts tend to downplay the worst contributors to sugary and fatty foods. It’s not sugar by itself at work. It is the variety of ingredients including sugar, corn syrup, fructose, dextrose, molasses or evaporated cane juice and anything hydrogenated which are on the nutrition labels of all packaged food and beverages, according to Lona Sandon, a dietitian at Dallas’ University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

As in many debates, there are self-serving claims which amount to a mountain of BS. This one is quoted from Bloomberg News in the New York Times article.

Muhtar Kent, the chief executive of Coca-Cola, was asked about the tax on Monday during an appearance at the Rotary Club of Atlanta and he responded by calling it “outrageous.”

“I have never seen it work where a government tells people what to eat and what to drink,” Kent said. “It if worked, the Soviet Union would still be around.”

Coca-Cola is the world’s largest beverage company in an industry which contends its revenues are flatlining and cannot withstand any tax increase. According to its own financial statements, Coca-Cola total revenues were $8.627 million in the second quarter of 2009 compared to first quarter earnings of $7.169 million. Annual revenues for 2008 were $31.944 million over the previous year’s $28.857 million.

Big Coke is doing quite well despite the threat of a socialistic takeover.

  • VeratheGun
    If there's one thing we should be taxing, it's sodas, sugary drinks and fast foods.

    As a registered nurse, I see the devastating effects of obesity on our healthcare system, every single day. There's not a human being alive that needs to weigh 400 lbs, and by today's standards, that's not even "really big". You can draw a direct line from consumption of calories from liquid sources to our rising obesity problem.
  • tidbits
    While I understand the argument for the tax, this is yet another example of using the tax code as a form of social engineering. To be clear, when I talk about using the tax code for social engineering, it refers to both sides of the aisle whether it's tax credits for big oil to encourage exploration/drilling or something like this. Let's use the tax code to raise revenue and use education or direct legislation to address social issues.
  • imavettoo
    According to the ABC report, the average American consumes 50 cans of soda pop per month.

    My wife & I haven't had a can of soda pop in years. Does this statement suggest that there are 2 other people in the U.S. who drink 100 cans per month? How do they come up with these reports? Who are they polling?
  • mikkel
    Instead of taxing that stuff they should just remove the subsidies. It would raise the cost of the "bad" foods while most healthy foods wouldn't be that affected. We'd definitely have to raise food stamp amounts, although by less than the subsidies were cut.
  • Davebo
    "How do they come up with these reports? Who are they polling?"

    I would imagine they simply take the total number of cans sold per year and divide by total population.
  • tidbits
    Mikkel -

    Completely agree with your comment. It would be odd indeed if we taxed people to discourage sugar use while simultaneously continuing subsidies to sugar growers. Of course, we've been down that hypocritical road before with tobacco.
  • DLS
    The last thing normal people want is "sin" taxes on "sugar-sweetened beverages" (which many of us never drink, anyway) or on high fructose corn syrup, or on trans facts, et cetera, for degenerate political and social engineering purposes. Normal people do not want a totalitarian "food policy," or "clothing policy," or "speech policy" (what's not PC is "racist" and should be disouraged if not banned and punished), or Thought and Behavioral Policy. Normal people say NO to making "lifestyle" and bogus "health" issues political.
  • DLS
    "The New England Journal of Medicine"

    Notoriously political. Other sources need to be sought, as matter of politics-avoidance necessity!
  • As a person that weighed 415lbs at one point and is now down to my college football playing weight of 265 (I'm 6' 3"), my immediate, emotional reaction to this article is "YES! TAX NOW!" But I agree with mikkel as well. Remove the subsidies. And I agree with DLS that people don't want "sin taxes". Having the Surgeon General use the bully pulpit to advise (along with some very good marketing/ads) is good enough. Ultimately it is up to the individual to "do what they gotta do" regarding good health.

    That's what I had to do. I looked at how high my medical bills were getting, how bad I felt, and how I couldn't participate in life and made a decision: ENOUGH!
  • Rambie
    DLS, "The last thing normal people want is 'sin' taxes... or Thought and Behavioral Policy. Normal people say NO to making 'lifestyle' and bogus 'health' issues political."

    DLS, is that you? Are you feeling OK? (as I click the "like" button) This has to be the first post that I agree with you 100%.

    Agreed Mikkel, get rid of the subsidies which would naturally raise the prices of these products and save tax money problem solved without any "sin tax" involved.
  • DLS
    Not only is sinister, twisted "food policy" obviously wrong. Not only is misuse of the CDC and lib-Dem political "health care" and "public health" mischief wrong (gun control, global warming, and un-PC lifestyle choices as "public health" "issues" and "problems"). It's broader and deeper than that, and not limited to degenerate Ad Council nanny-ness. The federal government not only has no place intruding into such matters, but has no legitimate place putting itself into such a direct, personal role at all in our society and federal republic. That some want it to do so shows how far some have fallen.
  • DLS
    "Remove the subsidies."

    Not merely that. Abolish the Department of Agriculture, if we dare, in this case. Sadly, we won't.
  • Our society has made countless decisions that effect public health. We favor cars over other modes of transportation that require more physical exertion (like riding a bike or walking to a train station). We subsidize corn to the point where it's cheap enough to engineer into sugar that goes into our soft drinks. And on and on. That in itself is a form of social engineering. Sure it isn't necessarily a "sin tax," it's more like a sin-subsidy.

    We should first get rid of the subsidies that make soft drinks to cheap to make with corn-syrup. Then we should use the former subsidy money to help pay for health reform. If we then do a reasonable sugar tax, we should use the proceeds to offset the cost for low-income Americans. Perhaps we could make other nutritious vegetables (like broccoli) cheaper.
  • APR
    I agree that the subsidies are clearly creating a lot of this situation by creating cheap industrial sweeteners (which in the US are hardly ever from sugarcane sugar). But it's not as easy as saying "remove the subsidies" because in fact there really isn't just one or even a handful of subsidies. It's more like the entire US agricultural policy (and trade policy) create the incentives. DLS is actually right in many ways when he says just get rid of the US Ag Department, because thats more or less what it would take. Not that that is a great idea (or even realistic) to just remove any federal government in agriculture, but things should probably be massively retooled because there are just too many problems associated with our agricultural systems. This not only includes perverse incentives to producers but also large environmental externalities, government-induced "choice" for consumers, and rampant oligopoly and monopoly. What you see at the grocery store, both in price and selection, is a direct result of myriad agricultural and trade policies that will be difficult to tackle one by one. A "soda" tax just adds one more layer to that.
  • DLS
    "A 'soda' tax just adds one more layer to that."

    Aside from the scummy nature of PC social engineering and totalitarian nature of the intrusiveness of the federal government represented and implied by this subject, consider other things.

    1. Will the federal government promptly rely on and expect revenue from this tax, then be ["]surprised["] later when a reduction in consumption results in a likely decrease in (expected, relied-on) revenue?

    2. "Adding layers": The "medication" metaphor once more materializes here. The various government (often, federal government) programs are like people rushing to seek medication for various ailments (real or imagined or falsely identified as such). What comes with the medications (in addition to, in the real world, frequent failure to ameliorate or cure the problem, or its signs or symptoms) are bad side effects. Logically, the decision to medicate is questionable and should be questioned, perhaps changed. But what happens so often? Some (or many) people wrongly say the "solution" to the new problems from side effects (and failure of the medication to solve the original problem) is more, different, new medication. These new medications, in turn bring new side effects with them. These new side effects "naturally" "must" be fought by new medication (still more government programs or other forms of intervention), and so on.

    What would be likely to happen when the unfortunate side effects of a stupid, demented, PC "sugar-sweetened beverage tax" or "demon high fructose corn syrup tax" or other kind of tax took effect?
  • What would the side effects be DLS?
  • shannonlee
    I completely agree...remove the subsidies.
  • CStanley
    I think removing the subsidies makes sense, but I also agree with APR that these policies are quite entrenched. I think we should begin walking them back, but that will take time. The proceeds from cutting the funding over time won't really help in our short term problem of funding health care- so it should be looked at as a long term cost bending, not short term gain.
  • DLS
    "DLS, is that you? Are you feeling OK? (as I click the "like" button)"

    Wow, how did I manage that? (Or did social conservatives?) [grin]

    * * *

    "What would the side effects be[,] DLS?"

    Side effects are additional, not-always[-by-the-naive]-expected effects in addition to (or in place of) what is sought and expected (or hoped for).

    Of the "sugar-sweetened beverage tax" or "demon high fructose corn syrup tax"? Higher prices, switches to other sweeteners, coming to depend on tax revenue that would likely fall eventually, are some examples.
  • DLS
    " You can draw a direct line from consumption of calories from liquid sources to our rising obesity problem."

    First of all, obesity as a current news item not a "crisis" [sic] and the current hyped PC-related nonsense (reminescent of anti-automobile and especially anti-SUV, anti-materialistic and anti-US-progress idiocy with misplaced bogus or mentally ill agitation about "gluttony") merits no respect or serious consideration. Let's stick to the real problems -- real obesity (and overweight conditions), high blood pressure (hypertension), diabetes (currently the object of ridiculous hype as well).

    It wouldn't bother me to see, in an ideal, more intelligent world, not only things like alcohol (ethyl alcohol or ethanol, itself, directly, by weight) taxed or tobacco taxed were the specific costs that were associated with its use (not only direct health costs but other direct costs) correctly identified, so they could be recovered and paid for by the consumers of them. The same could be true not only for sugar and salt (sodium chloride -- excess sodium is a health hazard, including its relation to hypertension, a chronic disease itself and source of other diseases, and a bigger problem than diabetes and possibly overweight conditions -- not limited to true obesity), but also fat or saturated fat (even a "sliding scale" for taxes based on saturation amount or hydrogenation amount).

    The problem is, current lefty politics and the nature of our government(s) make correct policy impossible.
  • DLS
    "You can draw a direct line from consumption of calories from liquid sources to our rising obesity problem."

    I'll conclude (and yield the floor) by reviewing aloud that simplicity is desireable, and what's implied here is a tax on calories (or in inverse proportion to their nutritional content or value, or based on their "pluses and minuses" nutritionally), but that would of course raise the overall cost of living.
  • DLS (as usual) raves about "social engineering" while supporting elimination of the USDA (a terrible idea). Our addiction to high fructose corn syrup, which is strongly linked to diabetes, IS social engineering. We have a 100% import tariff on sugar, and price supports on corn. Why? Because the corn lobby got the federal government to use "social engineering" to drive us away from sugar and toward corn syrup. It's an ignorant mythology to call one use of tax policy "social engineering" while another is considered somehow "free market".

    Tax is a four letter word in America, but sin taxes are the least objectionable to most people. Cigarette tax is a perfect example. Since smokers actually DO cost more in health care, it makes sense to tax them more. Likewise with out-of-control sugar consumption. We know it costs ALL of us more, so let's tax the ACTUAL thing that costs us more. I would level it specifically at HFCS, while eliminating the sugar import tariff. In addition to treating us to some diabetes relief, it would remove the foolish restriction against importing sugar cane for ethanol production, which has freed Brazil from the clutches of the oil cartel.

    As for it "hurting poor people", well nonsense. It is the gallons of Coke that are hurting them, not the COST of the soda. It would do them a world of good to drink some WATER.
  • DLS
    You don't like the truth so very often, Green Dreams, and you often make incorrect statements, which only drag you down more. Nobody objects to sumptuary (sin) taxes highly when they make sense (and if you had taken the time or otherwise chosen or been able to read what I wrote earlier, I had said that there is a good case for them with what we ingest, as well as in other instances I've posted about before, such as with coal for not only air pollution but solid waste costs, for example). It's the stupid social engineering and the degenerate PC fad we currently see (which involves food, lifestyle, automobiles, vehicle and engine size, etc.) that disgusts normal people.

    Meanwhile, noisome Newsom (a political freak who would be Governor of California if sufficient other freaks' votes and additional concocted votes total enough to win) actually is among the extremists who want to "proceed" with such repellent (to normal people) degeneracy.


    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...


    All that's missing is a "sin" tax on four-door vehicles there, too.
  • DLS
    "let's tax the ACTUAL thing that costs us more"

    We can't trust the right thing(s) to be taxed, at the right amount(s), as I noted before. Correct policy is impossible given how PC politics and related idiocy have corrupted government and other objects.
  • APR
    Eh, I think the idea that HFCS is so much worse than industrial sugarcane-derived sugar is false. If costs shifted and sugar became cheaper, then soda companies would use that instead and it would have the same health impacts. To me it seems like the processing is the problem, not the actual food or source of the food.

    Michael Pollan's writings on food seem to be more on the right track. Eat food, mostly plants, not too much. Though this smacks of the sort of PC, socialist social engineering DLS raves about, it seems that perhaps it would be good if we had some policies that at least leveled the playing field for those who actually grow food rather than industrial feedstocks and educated consumers/taxpayers/citizens about the impacts of diet (and exercise) on health. I'm all for market solutions to food, but information asymmetry seems to be rife (not to mention trusts all over the place).
  • APR
    What I intended to say was that the "soda tax" is seen by many as a solution to the problem when to me it seems more like another layer on top of many layers of problems (ie ultimately ineffective). Because of the convoluted and complex nature of US ag policy, we have a highly industrialized (and powerful) food industry that is highly resistant to change, harmful to society's well-being, and bloated/inefficient. The idea that one tax on one component of that system will fix much of any of that is incorrect.
  • APR, apparently fructose is worse than other forms of sugar because it bypasses the insulin mechanism. Fructose does not stimulate insulin secretion or require insulin to be transported into cells, as do other carbohydrates.

    Yale University researchers say that a study in mice shows that diets heavy in high-fructose corn syrup can lead to insulin resistance. Because the liver more readily metabolizes fructose into fat than it does glucose, high fructose consumption can lead to non-alcoholic fatty liver disorder, often a precursor to insulin resistance and type 2 diabetes.

    It's also a special villian in driving obesity:

    "Insulin also controls another hormone, leptin, so its release is necessary.

    Leptin tells your body to stop eating when it’s full by signaling the brain to stop sending hunger signals. Since fructose doesn’t stimulate glucose levels and insulin release, there’s no increase in leptin levels or feeling of satiety. This can leave you ripe for unhealthy weight gain."
  • Silhouette
    It's a great idea! Wonder who thought of it..lol..
  • APR
    Yeah I certainly wasnt trying to defend HFCS, I don't think it's a great thing for human health, particularly at the levels at which we tend to consume it these days. I just think that there are much bigger issues involved in metabolic syndrome, which leads to obesity, hypertension, heart disease, stroke, and general unhealthiness (and decreased economic productivity too!) than just HFCS.
  • JeffersonDavis
    I agree where Tidbits stated "leave the taxcode out of social engineering".

    The government should not put their noses into people's business like this.

    If America is obese (and as a people, we ARE obese), then it's because of general laziness.
    Cases in point:

    * I can't find my remote, so I guess I have to watch Barney in Swahili.
    * Where's the potato chips? I have to watch my fifth hour of television.

    etc...etc....etc.

    My family and I took all possible "fake" foods out of our diets. This included margarine, diet soda, and processed foods. Our exercise habits have not changed, and yet our cholesterol is down, our weight is stable, and our other CBC elements are normal where they weren't prior to this change.

    HMMMMMM

    The lesson I took from this was eat all natural foods (including sugar) in MODERATION!
    Good health will follow.
  • JD, I agree with you about fake foods. But you must have missed my point when you say "leave the tax code out of social engineering". The tax code IS ALREADY IN "social engineering," driving dietary choices. It's just that the drivers are toward bad nutrition. The sugar/corn syrup example is just one, in which the federal government at the behest of industry, stifled competition and artificially created a huge market for something especially bad for us.
  • ProfElwood
    Having lived in rural areas for much of my life, I know that many farm subsidies were sold as a way to help family farmers, when, in fact, they caused them more harm than good. The majority of these subsidies go to large, corporate farms. They drive the commodity prices down, which hurts the family farmers. The price distortions have made the worst foods more affordable than the best ones, which I'm sure has contributed to the rampant obesity of the poor.

    The corporate farms can now safely donate large sums of money to politicians to keep their subsidies intact, and indeed have survived both Democratic majorities and Republican majorities. That's why it's impossible to kill bad laws -- the benefactors have more influence than the taxpayers.

    Maybe we don't need to get rid of the department of agriculture, but I can't think of a single reason why anyone, liberal, moderate, libertarian, or conservative, would support farm subsidies in their current form.

    And, yes, it's insane to use subsidies to encourage production while using taxes to discourage consumption. Figure out which one you want and act accordingly.
  • DLS
    "What I intended to say was that the 'soda tax' is seen by many as a solution to the problem when to me it seems more like another layer on top of many layers of problems[...]"

    Yes -- and it's like suffering from side-effects from (too many, and bad) medications, and the "solution" sought is to add another medication (and its side effects).

    Note that adding another tax and bureaucracy is even worse than the medication metaphor.
  • DLS
    "Michael Pollan's writings on food seem to be more on the right track. Eat food, mostly plants, not too much."

    Sometimes I believe he's being hijacked by the extremists for other purposes. Pollan apparently has said not to immerse one's self in ridiculously excessive nutritional hype, but what we find is his diet statements being used for silly-to-sinister PC purposes as some kind of fuel for a contemporary food activism fad.

    As I've said myself, which is lefty-sounding but tame, as well as old, by comparison: "Meat is a premium food -- why not just [once more, in the West] view and treat it that way?" (I also don't have much objection to the euphemistic modern term "plant-based diet," either, a term often used by those trying to avoid "vegeterian" or "vegan.")

    I find the PC irritations also irritating when it comes to things like urban gardening, green roofs, etc.. I've enjoyed gardening since I was a kid, and like seeing people in urban areas (especially such as in Detroit, which is losing population) recover unused land for gardening, healthy work that helps them feed themselves, but there's no excuse for Sixties regurgitation and pathological "small is beautiful, big, business, economies of scale, industry are evil" nonsense that would want our governments to try to induce or coerce us into favoring "local" production that is less efficient and more expensive, often less practical. That's just being silly, or worse. Same for food and what lies behind routine use of the dirty term "food policy" ("clothing policy," "transportation policy," "energy policy," "speech policy," "thought policy" or "behavior policy," etc.).
  • ProfElwood
    "Yes -- and it's like suffering from side-effects from (too many, and bad) medications, and the "solution" sought is to add another medication (and its side effects)."

    That reminds me of an SCTV (or was it SNL, I don't remember) commercial where a lady complains to her coworker that she has a headache. The headache medicine is known to cause stomach problems, so she's supposed to take another medicine for that, which leads to a chain ending up with over a dozen medicines, and their possible side effects, just to cure the headache. If you look up the history of an issue that congress is trying to solve, it often looks like that commercial.
  • akorozco
    This definitely sounds like the cigarette taxing debate - the media (http://www.newsy.com/videos/hard_talk_on_soft_d...) are framing this as health concerns vs. Big Brother
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