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Snowe Tells Baucus, No Deal

As my brother would say, What a tool. He really thought he could get Republican support if he only gave up enough, ceded enough ground, mollified and appeased just a little more. Good going, Max. You jettisoned the public option to get the support of so-called “moderate” Republicans, and now you’re left with nothing.

Josh Marshall has a one-line commentary: “Republicans really came through for Max Baucus.” Pithy.

Or, as Nate Silver puts it in his post title, “Baucus Compromise Bill Draws Enthusiastic Support of Senator Max Baucus.”

Firstly, there’s Jay Rockefeller, who opposes the lack of a pubic option.

Ron Wyden doesn’t think the subsidies are sufficient.

Then there’s Olympia Snowe, who doesn’t like the funding mechanism.

John Kerry also has issues with the funding plan — different issues than Snowe does — and implies that the bill needs significant changes.

Mike Enzi and Chuck Grassley, who were never really on board in the first place, have alitany of objections.

Kent Conrad now wants the CBO to score the bill with a 20-year time window — an unorthodox move which could have a variety of motives, but if nothing else introduces another wrench into the works.

At least Jeff Bingaman is still on board. For now.

These are not just any old random set of Senators opposing Baucus’s plan — these are the thought leaders on health care reform.

Negotiations are funny things. Sometimes the scariest moments come when you’re closest to a settlement, as all sides feel emboldened to take the last opportunity to demonstrate resolve. Leverage in a negotiation is not necessarily a zero-sum affair, since nobody has any leverage if there’s no hope to reach an agreement. So some of this maneuvering, perhaps, is a reflection of the bill moving closer to passage and not further away.

But let’s be clear — some of this is Baucus’s chickens coming home to roost. When you make a unilateral decision to negotiate with only five other people from a 23-person committee and 100-person Senate, and two of those five people have clear electoral disincentives against supporting any plan that you might come up with, the negotiations are liable to end in failure far more often than not. The flurry of on-the-record statements against Baucus’s reform plans –not “leaks”, not trial balloons — points toward a defective process.

Greg Sargent has more on Grassley:

As you may have heard, Grassley announced in a statement last night that he can’t support the health care bill that is expected from the Senate Finance Committee today, citing concerns about abortion and illegal immigrants. But I wanted to focus on this amusing nugget from Grassley’s statement:

“On top of all that, there’s no guarantee that a Finance Committee bill, even if it becomes bipartisan, will stay that way after it leaves the committee. An overriding issue for some time has been the fact that members of the Democratic leadership haven’t made a commitment to back a broad bipartisan bill through the entire process.”

Grassley’s position really appears to be that a key reason he can’t back the bill now is that Dems haven’t sworn a blood-oath not to do a bill alone later if no bill emerges that can get “broad” Republican support. This amounts to asking Dems to promise in advance to donothing at all in the event that a “broad” number of Repubicans don’t agree to get behind some kind of compromise bill.

By this standard, in order to satisfy Grassley’s definition of true bipartisanship, Dems quite literally must cede all their power and leverage in advance, even as Republicans are refusingen masse to back any proposal that can reasonably be called a compromise. That really is Grassley’s position, with no exaggeration.

… [W]hat this really means is that in order to meet Grassley’s definition of bipartisanship, Dems must effectively hand over to Republicans total veto power over health care reform. It’s that simple.

All links via Memeorandum.

  • tidbits
    Democrats are lousy negotiators.
  • AustinRoth
    How about instead the fact the even the most moderate of Republicans could not bring themselves to support this shows how truly flawed it is.

    Remember, they NEED Republican support, because it is so flawed they cannot get enough Democrats to support it either to guarantee passage, and now are planning to resort to parliamentary tricks to get passage.

    At least this helps move us toward a mixed Congress again in 2010, and Obama being a single-termer.
  • pacatrue
    Interesting how powerful a single vote can be. If they can get Snowe on board, something based off of the Baucus plan is likely to move forward. If they cannot get her on board, something more towards the liberal end of reform is more likely. As one of the quotes indicates, Snowe may still be negotiating, but if not, it looks like Republicans are handing the more liberal wing of the Democratic party a check to do the reform themselves, instead of having any voice in a compromise.
  • tidbits
    Well, I agree that the proposals currently being floated are so flawed that they are worse than doing nothing. See my comment at the post with a headline calling the Baucus proposal a good bill or something like that.

    My point about D's being lousy negotiators still stands. They should hire hard nosed Republican lawyers to negotiate for them. Who would negotiate for months, cede to your opponents proposals left and right and get no quid pro quo in the process? If I negotiated like that in my business dealings I'd be in bankruptcy court. Hell, my 15 year old does a better job of negotiating compensation for household chores.

  • Kastanj
    I'm very sorry but another person summarized the bill so well I have to repeat it here

    "Its actually unbelievably bad if you don't have a job with health benefits, and will simple exacerbate the problem we have today. IE, if you lose your job you'll lose your benefits. With the new plan if you are middle class with some savings and lose a job, then suddenly your tax burden goes through the roof. Its effectively a tax on the unfortunate! At least under the current system you have the choice to take a risk and hope for the best. *Under this system we will be forcing the healthy to give money to Kaiser Permanente that they can't afford*.

    It's like 'solving' world hunger by forcing people to buy food at Wal-Mart."

    Another sacrifice of the middle-class on the altar of the holy and unassailable capitalist interests, that would kill the democrats among middle class segments. No wonder Baucus deigned to release it from the committee, and no doubt will democrats be called "partisans" by the usual pseudo-centrists for telling Baucus to shove the bill right back into the area of procurement.

    You couldn't pay me to live in a country where politicians are this pathetic and the financially strong are capable of counter-acting the interests of the many. This entire summer has been incredibly dishonoring for the US.
  • They can't negotiate because they've poisoned the well.

    "Compromise" does not mean "get the other guy to agree totally, or no deal". But that's the line the Leftoid/Progressive wing of the Democratic Party has taken, and they have the Congressional leadership to support them and the bit in their teeth, and want to roll over not just Republicans but conservative Democrats a.k.a. "Blue Dogs", who are getting calls and letters from their constituents -- y'know, the people they "represent" in the Congress -- threatening them with foreshortened careers if they go along.

    At this point, the process has gotten so confused and the bills being presented so complex and self-contradictory that the best bill we could possibly get is no bill at all. Trouble is, Obama supporters will see that as a defeat, and do just about anything to avoid it. This is a prescription for further hate and discontent.

    If, as I said in my other comment, even the Gang of Six can't be bamboozled into going along any more, there is no chance of getting "health care reform" past this Congress without Parliamentary shenanigans that will leave a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. If you want to change that, the first thing you need to do is abandon the lies ("public option" is Government option, no matter how you slice it), the sniggering preadolescent putdowns ("teabaggers") and and the faux outrage ("Raaaaaaaacism!")

    Regards,
    Ric
  • "my 15 year old does a better job of negotiating compensation for household chores."

    All politics aside, this line is absolutely priceless. Had to pull it out for an applause ovation.

    **applause**
  • DLS
    "even the most [Democratic] of Republicans could not bring themselves to support this"

    The zany part is that even fellow Senate Dems are opposed to the Baucus bill.

    OK, so it looks like the extremists are going to win (the GOP will stay sidelined) and HR 3200 may be the likelier piece of ... legislation that will be sculpted by both Houses into something Obama will sign eventually.
  • DLS
    Ric, expect more, not less, of the behaviors you listed. Especially if there's no public option in the final legislation (I wouldn't write it off yet).

    No legislation at all, or a veto that isn't overridden, would qualify as Armageddon and we can't bet on it.
  • kathykattenburg
    LOL, Austin. Nice spin, but no sale. Republicans would not support anything Democrats proposed. Even if Max Baucus re-copied the Ryan proposal and presented it to John Boehner, they would say no.
  • kathykattenburg
    Which country do you live in?
  • kathykattenburg
    Ric, are you serious? There's nothing in the Baucus bill that progressives have insisted on. Very much including the public option.
  • AustinRoth
    Gee Kathy. I didn't know you sat in on Republican leadership calls. You just cannot accept there are huge numbers of people, and the vast majority of Republicans, who do not support this because of any animosity towards Obama or Democrats in general (not that there aren't some who are doing that), but rather because they just fundamentally think this stinks to high heaven.

    It will ultimately fail to pass, enraging the deep-left base, or if it does pass, it will bring the Democratic Party down from power over the next two elections.

    The Democrats are indeed caught between Scylla and Charybdis on this issue.
  • JeffersonDavis
    A single vote can be very powerful, but I have to disagree when you said "something more towards the liberal end of reform is likely to move forward".

    Yes, the Dems could go "nuclear" with the rules and pass some sort of liberal wet dream; but that bill will not pass both Houses. Pelosi and Reid are trying to work out a deal on that, but I doubt that the "blue dogs" will allow it. The most logical next step would be to start from square one with another approach that the blue-dogs and moderate republicans can put their support behind.

    I'm a democrat and I'm against every form of healthcare legislation put forth to date. Until REAL reform is offered up, I don't think the regular Americans out there will accept it.
  • kathykattenburg
    AR, first, although yes many Americans are against Obama's health care reform proposals (and not in small part because so many lies have been promulgated about it by Republican leaders), what polls have consistently shown over the past months is that a majority of Americans supports Democratic ideas on health care reform, including the public option.

    Second, I never said that GOP opposition to health care reform -- any health care reform -- is personal against Obama himself, but it most certainly is politically motivated. Republicans continue to believe that they can take back the White House in 2012, and the majority in 2010, by saying no to everything. No, no, no, no, no. That's their strategy. The reality is that Republicans are behaving like the wrecking crew, as Thomas Frank puts it; they are not interesting in governance, they are only interested in tearing down.

    Third, I am certainly not defending the Baucus bill, because it's a terrible bill, but if Republicans truly had a good faith desire to achieve health care reform, at least some of them would be willing to compromise on the one version of health care reform that does not have a public option, which was their biggest objection supposedly. The fact that Baucus has taken the public option out of his version, despite its enormous popularity with the American public, and the GOP *still* is saying no, we're going to vote against it, really says all that needs to be said about their motivations -- especially since by *not* backing Baucus, they are making it far more likely that the Democratic leadership will use reconciliation to pass a far more liberal health care reform bill. One would think that would not be their preferred choice.
  • AustinRoth
    Kathy - then if what you believe is true (which I don't actually believe), perhaps they are playing the Machiavellian angle against the Democrats, i.e., forcing them to pass a far-left version that is more likely to translate into future votes than running against a more moderate bill.
  • StockBoySF
    So... if the healthcare bill passes with only Democratic support why will people vote the Dems out of Congress in 2010? I don't think most people would be harmed by it. The GOP will pull out statistics of how expensive it is and the Dems will pull out statistics on how many people it is helping. Only way this would help the GOP is if the economy is in the gutter in 2010. If people are feeling more secure about their jobs then they'll just think the GOP is playing politics. Otherwise if a healthcare bill is passed, it will go the way of social security and medicare.... something people come to depend upon, despite GOP opposition at the time.

    Anyone hoping for a GOP resurgence should be praying for a bad economy at election time. And I say that in a broader sense, too. Not just around an expensive healthcare bill.
  • Leonidas
    Snows refusal and the fact that Democrats can't get legislation past their own party is telling. The only thing bipartisan is opposition to their legislation.
  • AustinRoth
    If the bill gets pushed hard to the left, despite the joy Kossacks will feel, it will hurt the Democrats, the same way that as the Republican Party went further to the right, it hurt them.

    True believers always think the more orthodox their party is, the more success it will have. However, actual results have proven the opposite is true.
  • Kastanj
    Sweden.
  • kathykattenburg
    Kastanj,

    Okay, now I understand why you would not accept money to live in the U.S. :-)

    (Not that I didn't understand the sentiment before.)
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