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Freedom and Security on the Mall

I thought I’d do a quote roundup from various commentaries on today’s Tea Party gathering in D.C.

Kevin Drum:

From Sen. Jim DeMint, commenting on the demonstrators in Washington DC carrying signs that call Nancy Pelosi a Nazi and Barack Obama a communist:

This is not some kind of radical right-wing group. I just hope the Congress, the Senate and the president recognize that people are afraid of what’s going on.

Uh huh.  That really means a lot coming from a guy like DeMint.

New York Times:

The demonstrators numbered well into the tens of thousands, though the police declined to estimate the size of the crowd. Many came on their own and were not part of an organization or group. But the magnitude of the rally took the authorities by surprise, with throngs of people streaming from the White House to Capitol Hill for more than three hours.The atmosphere was rowdy at times, with signs and images casting Mr. Obama in a demeaning light. One sign called him the “parasite in chief.” Others likened him to Hitler. Several people held up preprinted signs saying, “Bury Obama Care with Kennedy,” a reference to the Massachusetts senator whose body passed by the Capitol two weeks earlier to be memorialized.

Rick Moran:

Both the Times and AP are equating the crowds turning out in DC to protest Obama’s policies with crowds turning out to see the president later today at a town hall meeting. Both are saying “thousands” have turned out.
[...]
According to CNN, the event got underway an hour and a half early because so many people showed up at the bottom of Pennsylvania avenue, there was simply no more room for new arrivals.

Pictures supplied by Fox and CNN appeared to me to show a crowd stretching all the way from the Capitol steps, back many, many blocks, stretching off into the distance.

By any stretch of the imagination, such a crowd should have been identified in “the hundreds of thousands.”
[...]
The DC Park Police stopped trying to estimate crowds years ago. But given the  estimate for Obama’s inauguration by some (”more than a million people”), I would say the number of people out today comes close to matching the number on January 20.
[...]
Michelle Malkin reports that Capitol Police are estimating crowd at 1.2 million. ABC saying 2 million.

Can’t say where Malkin got the “police” estimate.
[...]
Daily Mail hed – “Up to Two Million march to Capitol to protest Obama’s spending…”

Sorry, but that is certainly an exaggeration. This time lapse aerial sequence taken from where the march kicked off shows, in my opinion, less than a million marchers. A long time ago, a park policeman told me that 7 blocks of people shoulder to shoulder equals a half million marchers. Someone might want to correct me but it looked to me that there might have been 9 or 10 blocks of a massed crowd. Maybe less than that.

Of course, there were people already at the Capitol who didn’t participate in the march. And there were many late arrivals. It would be more accurate to place the total at between 750,000 and a million.

Matthew Yglesias:

Probably the weirdest thing about the Glenn Beck / Tea Party nexus to me is that it tends to rely so heavily on libertarian rhetoric and fear of incipient authoritarianism. These kind of sentiments would be a lot easier to take seriously if not for the fact that we didn’t see these people marching out in the streets when George W. Bush used the threat of terrorism to justify secret, illegal warrantless surveillance, detention without trial, torture, etc. Indeed, the very same people who spend Monday, Wednesday, and Friday complaining that Barack Obama’s “czars” are a threat to liberty not only weren’t worried about czars in the Bush years, they spend Tuesday and Thursday worrying that Obama’s not doing enough to ensure that intelligence operatives can break the law with impunity.Jonah Goldberg, it seems to me, was the real pioneer in this brand of hypocrisy-driven hysteria—holding captives in secret where they’re hung by shackles from the ceiling and occasionally beaten to death is fine by him, but efforts to curb smoking are “liberal fascism.” And now this line of thinking seems to have completely taken over the right.

Politico:

Saturday’s “Taxpayer March”– at which organizers expect anywhere from 20,000 to 200,000 people – as well as dozens of smaller marches around the country, will prove that the fledgling “Tea Party” movement is real, according to Mark Williams, a conservative radio talk show host from Sacramento who is vice chairman of Our Country Deserves Better PAC, a political action committee that is co-sponsoring the march.

“If I’ve learned one thing in 30 years of doing activist talk, it’s that you can’t manufacture this kind of thing,” said Williams. “I could get on the radio and rant and rave until I was blue in the face, but if it’s not out there, it’s not going to happen.”

But whether the marchers reflect a small minority’s continuing anger over the more liberal direction the country began taking in the 2008 election or something deeper that could have repercussions in 2010 and 2012 is one of the questions the march may begin to answer.

Steve Benen:

Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.), the Senate’s most right-wing member, thinks conservative activists demanding a right-wing shift in government policy are just the regular ol’ American mainstream.

“This is not some kind of radical right-wing group. I just hope the Congress, the Senate and the president recognize that people are afraid of what’s going on.”

I see. Confederate-flag waving conservatives, who think Democrats are Nazis, are just normal, middle-of-the-road Americans.

DeMint went on to say that “a fair analysis” of the right-wing crowd would show that it’s “a cross-section” of the U.S. population. Asked why the protestors were almost exclusive[ly] white people, DeMint added, “It’s probably just the time and organization and the media that promoted it.”

I have no idea what that means.

The Corner:

Back at the time of the tea-party protests — when the “stimulus” was the going issue — several people on this site made a particular point. I remember Jonah Goldberg making it, in particular. The protests were homemade, and touchingly so: unslick, amateur, unorganized. Self-organized, so to speak. At the typical big rallies — organized by the Left — you see thousands of identical signs. A “sea” of a particular sign. At these tea parties, everybody made and brought his own: just like, you know: America, at least in some imagined state.

I was reminded of this when reading this Washington Post report about today’s march. The reporters — good for them — said, “Most signs were handmade.” I especially enjoyed, “Having government manage your health care is like having Michael Vick watch your dog.”

Alan Colmes’ Liberaland:

Dick [Armey]’s group FreedomWorks, which organized last spring’s tea parties, is behind Saturday’s events as well.  They claim to model themselves on MoveOn.org, except that MoveOn.org actually is a grassroots group, and not funded by corporate lobbyists like FreedomWorks is. The official website for the event, 912dc.org, is owned by FreedomWorks.

–Armey’s FreedomWorks is actively organizing against health care reform. Indeed, Armey’s lobbying firm represents pharmaceutical companies, such as Bristol-Myers Squibb, that oppose comparative effectiveness research in the health reform plan because such a program may cut into revenue for branded drugs.

– Armey’s lobbying firm represents the trade group for the life insurance industry. Indeed, FreedomWorks mobilizes its members for deregulated life insurance reform.

– Currently, FreedomWorks is focusing their energy activism on supporting the status quo reliance on fossil fuels. In addition to working for various domestic oil companies with a vested interest in opposing change, Armey’s lobbying firm represents Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, Prime Minister of the UAE, on energy related issues such as maintaining the U.S.-UAE relationship where “U.S companies have played major roles in the development of UAE energy resources, which represent about 10 percent of global oil reserves.”

Saturday’s sponsors have deep ties to GOP lobbyists and interest groups.

– Gold Sponsor Tea Party Patriots is a website run by FreedomWorks staffers. When Tea Party Patriots list serv members objected to the 9/12 march symbol, they were rebuffed and told that all final decisions were made by FreedomWorks.

– Gold Sponsor Our Country Deserves Better is a Republican PAC that also operates the Tea Party Express, a bus tour arriving in DC for the 9/12 march. Our Country Deserves Better/Tea Party Express, which has ran an advertisement comparing Obama to Hitler, is managed by the GOP consulting firm Russo, Marsh & Rogers.

– Bronze Sponsors The Heartland Institute and the Competitive Enterprise Institute are phony think-tanks dedicated to churning out academic-appearing reports to discredit global warming. Like FreedomWorks, both organizations are funded by David and Charles Koch of the Koch Industries oil empire, one of the largest privately held companies in the world.

– Bronze Sponsor American Conservative Union is run by David Keene, a lobbyist for a firm that represents private health care companies, including the insurer HealthFirst.

– Bronze Sponsor The Senate Conservatives Fund is a Republican Party PAC run by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC).

Ben Smith:

A passer-by forwards this image of a printed sign being distributed at the conservative rally at 13th and Pennsylvania in Washington today.

Alan Colmes’ caption to above photo:

Stay Classy, Teabaggers!

  • Leonidas
    The federal government seems to have have awoken a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve.

    Oh and about that photo Kathy, how would you compare it to those photos from some other protests found here:

    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621


    My personal "favorite"
    http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/im...
    Bush’s head in a basket after being decapitated by a guillotine, at an Obama campaign rally, Denver, October 26, 2008.

    I'd say about the same. These people are no more nutty than Obama supporters were.
  • Leonidas
    Another take from Matt Welch at the Libertarian site Hit & Run

    http://reason.com/blog/show/136041.html

    Of the people I ended up talking to, the general vibe was that they were conservative, and then either Republican, formerly Republican, or independent. Every single one had unkind words to say about George W. Bush's spending and governing record, though none had protested him. None expressed trust in Republicans, and most preferred a "throw-all-the-bums-out" strategy. All but one did not care about Obama's birth certificate controversy, and those I asked thought it was foolish to bring guns to political gatherings.
  • Leonidas
    As for the numbers, definately at least in the hundreds of thousands. I don't think anyone will dispute that. Cosidering only 30,000 had signed up, it can only be regarded as a success beyond the wildest dreams of the organizers.
  • StockBoySF
    Kathy, as you pointed out Jim DeMint said this about people carrying signs saying Obama was a communist and Pelosi was a Nazi: "This is not some kind of radical right-wing group. I just hope the Congress, the Senate and the president recognize that people are afraid of what’s going on."

    I don't know how others define radical right-wing group but I think characterizing Obama as a communist and Pelosi as a Nazi is as far out there as one can get. I can only interpret this Republican leader's comments as saying this is what the rank and file Republicans believe and stand for these days- such uncivil and divisive language, which started under Bush.

    I'm not saying divisive comments aren't used by the Dems, but the Dems as a group were never this bad. Bush labelled his opponents as terrorist sympathizers for far less than this. And yet I don't see the Dems calling the GOP unpatriotic or putting such labels on the GOP. (Good for the Dems for refraining.)

    I also noticed other signs at the tea party claiming that Obama was eating away at constitutional rights of people. Quite frankly this is what Bush did for years and these people looked the other way. They have zero credibility in my book. These kooks are clearly partisans egged on by talk radio. I thought the first set of tea parties were good for these people, because I thought they needed an emotional outlet and it is important for the government to see their concerns. Though the most appropriate way is for the people to give their concerns to their representatives who will then pass legislation. Of course the Republicans don't want to negotiate in good faith, so many of these citizens' concerns go unheeded. If the Republican politicians DID want to work with the Dems at least more of the citizens' concerns could be addressed.
  • Leonidas
    Jim Demint, is one of the few truly ethical members of Congress. Zero earmarks.

    http://www.cagw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=re...
    http://www.legistorm.com/earmarks/details/membe...

    He talks the talk and walks the walk.
  • Silhouette
    You know I wonder...

    "Bury
    Obama[care]
    with Kennedy"
    ******
    There's at least one republican governor, or should I say "Governator" whose wife might take offense at that statement so short on the heels of her blood-relative's death. I wonder what California's official position is on the MedMob patent disrespect and veiled threats? Have to keep a close eye on that position...
  • melanier
    No, the dems aren't labeling anyone are they? Pelosi called the town-hall goers "un-American" for hanging a senator in effigy and "disurpting." But what about all the times Bush was hung in effigy (she did not speak out then) and, during the Bush years, she claimed dissent and disruption were patriotic! (So did HIllary Clintion in a yelling, angry speech she gave!). What about the signs of Bush as Hitler? Some Dems have called the protestors "evil-mongors" and comoparing them to Nazis? These are just a few of the examples of comments by Democratic LEADERS. So, it is okay for the Left to do anything they want but, if the Right does the same thing, it isn't? Talk about your double standard!

    We are not kooks egged on by talk radio. Plenty of us got upet over Bush's policies but we were not heard then. Obama promised hope and change to those of you dumb enough to believe him. Well, we didn't get hope, but we sure as hell are getting a lot of change, and not the good kind either.

    We have finally had enough. It isn't just about Obama, plenty of us were upset over Bush and still are. It isn't about Republican versus Democrat, there are democrats who feel the same as we do and republicans who don't. It is about ideals not political parties. We do not support Obama and Congress' ideals of larger government, ram bills through before they can be read (google what Obama said about ramming bills through Congress when he was a Senator during the Bush administration; classic example of a lying hypocrit), out-of-control spending (quadroupling the budget deficit in one year!), and not being represented by our elected officials who are SERVANTS of the PEOPLE not the other way around.

    Do you understand what communism or socialism is? How they work? Do some serious reading on the subject and then look at Obama's ideals and policies and what Congress is doing right now. If you do that and can honestly tell me what they are doing is not communist and/or socialist, hats off to ya; but there is no way you will be able to come to that conclusion if you take the time to do honest research for yourself.

    We have finally had enough, the last eight months have seen things speed up to a blinding pace, things are being done that way just so no one can possibly keep up with them all. It is time for us to put a stop to what has been going on in our government for a long time; things we chose to ignore for a long time. We have chosen to quit ignoring them now; it should come as no surprise to anyone. Our very constitutional republic is at stake.





  • Leonidas
    You know I wonder...

    "Bury
    Obama[care]
    with Kennedy"


    Oy.

    *facepalm*

    I'm embarased for you.
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