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The Politics of the Jackboot (Guest Voice)

WASHINGTON — Try a thought experiment: What would conservatives have said if a group of loud, scruffy leftists had brought guns to the public events of Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush?

How would our friends on the right have reacted to someone at a Reagan or a Bush speech carrying a sign that read: “It’s time to water the tree of liberty”? That would be a reference to Thomas Jefferson’s declaration that the tree “must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.”

Pardon me, but I don’t think conservatives would have spoken out in defense of the right of every American Marxist to bear arms or to shed the blood of tyrants.

In fact, the Bush folks didn’t like any dissent at all. Recall the 2004 incident in which a distraught mother whose son was killed in Iraq was arrested for protesting at a rally in New Jersey for first lady Laura Bush. The detained woman wasn’t even armed. Maybe if she had been carrying, the gun lobby would have defended her.

The Obama White House purports to be open to the idea of guns outside the president’s appearances. “There are laws that govern firearms that are done state or locally,” Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman, said on Tuesday. “Those laws don’t change when the president comes to your state or locality.”

Gibbs made you think of the old line about the liberal who is so open-minded he can’t even take his own side in an argument.

What needs to be addressed is not the legal question but the message that the gun-toters are sending.

This is not about the politics of populism. It’s about the politics of the jackboot. It’s not about an opposition that has every right to free expression. It’s about an angry minority engaging in intimidation backed by the threat of violence.

There is a philosophical issue here that gets buried under the fear that so many politicians and media-types have of seeming to be out of touch with the so-called American heartland.

The simple fact is that an armed citizenry is not the basis for our freedoms. Our freedoms rest on a moral consensus, enshrined in law, that in a democratic republic we work out our differences through reasoned, and sometimes raucous, argument. Free elections and open debate are not rooted in violence or the threat of violence. They are precisely the alternative to violence, and guns have no place in them.

On the contrary, violence and the threat of violence have always been used by those who wanted to bypass democratic procedures and the rule of law. Lynching was the act of those who refused to let the legal system do its work. Guns were used on election days in the Deep South during and after Reconstruction to intimidate black voters and take control of state governments.

Yes, I have raised the racial issue, and it is profoundly troubling that firearms should begin to appear with some frequency at a president’s public events only now, when the president is black. Race is not the only thing at stake here, and I have no knowledge of the personal motivations of those carrying the weapons. But our country has a tortured history on these questions, and we need to be honest about it. Those with the guns should know what memories they are stirring.

And will someone please tell the armed demonstrators how foolish and lawless they make our country look in the eyes of so much of the world? Are we not the country that urges other nations to see the merits of the ballot over the bullet?

All this is taking place as the country debates the president’s health care proposal. There is much that is disturbing in that discussion. Shouting down speakers is never a good thing, and many lies are being told about the contents of the health care bills. The lies should be confronted, but freedom involves a lot of commotion and an open contest of ideas, even when some of the parties say things that aren’t true and act in less than civil ways.

Yet if we can’t draw the line at the threat of violence, democracy begins to disintegrate. Power, not reason, becomes the stuff of political life. Will some group of responsible conservatives, preferably life members of the NRA, have the decency to urge their followers to leave their guns at home when they go out to protest the president? Is that too much to ask?

This column is copyrighted and licensed to run on TMV in full. (c) 2009, Washington Post Writers Group

  • Silhouette
    So I saw the dawn of a newer bolder dem strategy on Olbermann's show tonight where they just started whispering around about how destructive insurance companies are to regular peeps..

    I don't know if timidity is endemic with democrats or they are so repulsed by GOP thuggery that they are loathe to repeat it for a good cause? In any event it's time to stop the wuss act and get your 'nads off the ice pack dem strategists. You need to RATTLE the cages of fear that the common man is suffering at the hands of MedMob. They need to wake up with night sweats and jump at their own shadows that the insurance companies are ripping away their very lifeblood. The word "coop" should strike them trembling to their knees. "Compromise" should send them running with blood-curlting screams to their mommy's bosom, biting their knuckles and wincing with angst. Real, gut-wrenching horror stories of insurance scams and trickery should bellow from every soundbite on every media outlet that MedMob doesn't control already. Blankies should come out and get pulled up over the eyes as each true tale becomes more and more macabre, twisted and diabiolical..

    Stop lobbing insipid gutter balls. Man up and slam that ball down the alley right at the pins.

    OK, I think I've made my point.. *jumps off stump*
  • tip8691
    Funny but I didn't hear any complaints coming from you people when the left was making movies depicting Bush's assassination or holding signs with pictures of guns to his head but I forgot that stuff like that is acceptable when the left does it but not anyone else. Hypocritical much?

    And one other tiny little fact for you fear mongers out there..how many arrests were there of citizens lawfully carrying their guns? How many incidents? Oh that's right nothing happened. But since you incessantly cry racism every time anyone dares question the administration I gues you have to make something out of nothing for most any story.

    ANd one last thing since you sheep will never put it into the MSM the buffoons carrying the Hitler signs are Lyndon Larouche Democrats. If any of you bothered to pull your heads out of thie administration's behind and look at the signs you could tell that but then you would have to admit what frauds you are wouldn't you? Pathetic.
  • dmf
    oh be quiet, you dining room table.
  • Father_Time
    Very GOOD article! Best yet on the subject! Right to the point! No intellectual meandering!

    [The simple fact is that an armed citizenry is not the basis for our freedoms. Our freedoms rest on a moral consensus, enshrined in law, that in a democratic republic we work out our differences through reasoned, and sometimes raucous, argument. Free elections and open debate are not rooted in violence or the threat of violence. They are precisely the alternative to violence, and guns have no place in them.]

    Absolutely Excellent Passage!

    I can tell you that people whom carry guns to these events are a threat. They want to be a threat. They are not satisfied with democracy. They want to politically gain what they want by threatening your life to get it. Completely un-American. They might as well put on the brown shirts and arm bands because they are doing EXACTLY what the brown shirts did in Germany! Amazing how they accuse liberals, that are seeking healthcare of all things, of being the Nazis!
  • EEllis
    All I read about was one guy who never tried to enter. What group? I don't complain when black rights activist parade with firearms so why would I care about this?
  • Father_Time
    EEllis--

    Several incidents and what is the point? You have none. No excuse, no nothing, just BS crap about 'black goups". What black groups?
  • Lynnehs
    >Funny but I didn't hear any complaints coming from you people when the left was making movies depicting Bush's assassination or holding signs with pictures of guns to his head

    That's because nobody knew about it. Have a source? For the record, IF it happened then it's wrong.

    >the buffoons carrying the Hitler signs are Lyndon Larouche Democrats

    It's inappropriate no matter who does it.

    >I don't complain when black rights activist parade with firearms

    Of course you don't, because it's never happened. Source? But for the record, IF it did happen it was also inappropriate. See, some of us are consistent.
  • I haven't a clue what EEllis is talking about with "black rights activist parade with firearms". However, the other incidents are real.

    The movie is called "Death of a President". MANY links about it online. Here's a link to digg about it

    And Here's a link about a picture depicting Bush with a gun pointed at his head.

    They are, in all cases, horribly over the top.
  • DLS
    So much of the behavior directed at the gun-bearers and at _guns_ so far has been so diseased and so stupid. You all should be ashamed of yourselves, but that would require competence, logic, and morals.

    As to the silly lefty fool Dionne's remarks, we saw the SEIU brownshirts in action in St. Louis metro.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    So I suppose no one has actually seen Death Of A President or they would probably calm a bit as it is a film about him being martyred and adored afterward. It was also a film from Britain not the US. The film was a call to NEVER do that to an ideologue as it makes their side gain strength.
  • TheMagicalSkyFather
    The writers & dIrector for Death Of A President were Simon Finch and Gabriel Range who are British and part of the British film community. How does that have anything to do with the current situations that are being done by Americans?
  • Almoderate
    "Funny but I didn't hear any complaints coming from you people when the left was making movies depicting Bush's assassination or holding signs with pictures of guns to his head..."

    A picture is a lot different than actually showing up with a loaded firearm. Regardless, it's stupid and destroys your argument no matter which side it's coming from.


    "And one other tiny little fact for you fear mongers out there..how many arrests were there of citizens lawfully carrying their guns? How many incidents? Oh that's right nothing happened."

    I think that's the point. As much rhetoric as I've heard about how Obama hates guns, free speech, etc... He's been amazingly tolerant in comparison to the previous administration. Here we have a situation where a loaded firearm could be a threat to the safety of the people there, and folks are allowed to bring them. With Bush, we saw arrests and removals of people who wore t-shirts that had Bush's name with a circle and slash over it.


    "ANd one last thing since you sheep will never put it into the MSM the buffoons carrying the Hitler signs are Lyndon Larouche Democrats."

    And Hillary Clinton is a Goldwater Republican. What's your point? And it actually was reported in the MSM. I have actually only seen ONE person carrying the Hitler signs that CLAIMS to be a Larouche Dem-- it's a far cry from being the case for every single person holding up a Hitler sign. (It also wouldn't be the first time someone claimed to have a party affiliation that turned out to not quite be true.) I still see no difference in what level of crazy it makes a person to make a Hitler reference based on party affiliation.


    Though I have to disagree on the firearms being a racial thing. Racial arguments have been made, but they seem for the most part unrelated to the display of firearms. I say "for the most part" because I'm sure there's a few exceptions to that rule. I do however agree that the only reason to carry a firearm is for the purpose of intimidation. It's not like you can argue that you expected a spontaneous marathon to start up at a political rally, and they'd need someone to start it.
  • As much rhetoric as I've heard about how Obama hates guns, free speech, etc... He's been amazingly tolerant in comparison to the previous administration

    I think that's true, Almoderate. It's part of why the over-amplification of "they're gonna come take all your guns away OMGOMGOMG" has been so strange to me.

    Edited to add a link that's running right now on memeorandum. Link

    Not sure whether the argument made there says what they think, though. To me, it indicates that Bush (or his 'people') maybe were a tad more tolerant than is typically thought.
  • EEllis
    Several incidents and what is the point? You have none. No excuse, no nothing, just BS crap about 'black groups". What black groups?

    Yes what is the point? You are clear that this was some group effort, with links to other events, so what group? BS crap! As if Black militants have never marched with firearms. It's legal and they have the right and it doesn't bother me a bit. So if some one wants to show up outside an event carrying a gun to make a point that doesn't really bother me either.

    Heard of Quanell X, Nation of Islam and the New Black Panther Party. Now Im not an expert so I'm sure there's more but if you have never seen them on the news standing around with guns then you have been closing your eyes.
  • Lynnehs
    TheMagicalSkyFatherWrote: So I suppose no one has actually seen Death Of A President or they would probably calm a bit as it is a film about him being martyred and adored afterward.

    Ah, see that's the problem with works of art, especially films. You need to see/view/read/watch it for yourself and even then it can be open to different interpretations. And you brought up another good point that the producers were British. That makes the film not really relevant to this discussion. I myself have not watched the film.

    Polimom, I agree that the postage stamps are over the top. I support the LEGAL right of someone to make them, just as I support the LEGAL right of carrying registered handguns, but I would agree that in both cases it's inappropriate and just makes the partisan divide worse, not better.

    EEllis, I've never heard of Quanell X. I've heard of the old Black Panther Party, but had no idea there was a new one. I didn't know about the Nation of Islam carrying guns but my husband says they do carry them, although not as openly. I still think it's inappropriate no matter which group we're talking about. Two wrongs don't make a right.
  • EEllis
    "Two wrongs don't make a right."

    I don't know from right or wrong, while I don't condone such things, I do know that they are legal. My point was not to say he does it so now I can, but rather if I'm not going to get worked up over that political expression, which it was, then don't expect me to care when someone else uses it.
  • gerscot
    I enjoy reading TMV and its comments. However, there seem to be some people who seem to prefer engaging in two monologues instead of a dialogue. Specificially, a few commentators seem to be emotional slaves to their ideologies. My suggestion - go elsewhere for your dopamine kicks, where the issues aren't important to the public and don't require reasoned solutions.
  • tip8691
    "A picture is a lot different than actually showing up with a loaded firearm. Regardless, it's stupid and destroys your argument no matter which side it's coming from."

    Did the person or persons carrying attempt to enter? Did they shoot anyone else there? Did they wave their weapons menacingly or threaten others there? No they didn't. They were legally carrying in a state that allows it but the media tries to turn it into some racial thing when it wasn't and to me that garbage is just getting old real quick.

    That being said, should they have brought them? Probably not because they diminish whatever point they are trying to make at a health care gathering. If that was a 2nd Amendment rally or something along those lines it would have made more sense. I do agree with you, if I understood you correctly, that these people didn't exactly exercise any common sense.

    "With Bush, we saw arrests and removals of people who wore t-shirts that had Bush's name with a circle and slash over it."

    I don't know why they did what they did, besides the obvious political aspect of it, but if you're trying to get me to defend that guy and the things he did you're barking up the wrong tree.

    "I have actually only seen ONE person carrying the Hitler signs that CLAIMS to be a Larouche Dem-- it's a far cry from being the case for every single person holding up a Hitler sign."

    I didn't say every person but that is something that is going on that is being attributed to people with legitimate grievances when it is not them doing it. Besides there are more than that one person and those people aren't claiming it, it is caught by the fact that there is Larouche info is stamped on the bottom of the signs. Not smart mind you but my point is that everyone just automatically assumes that any opposition and harsh rhetoric comes only from the right and that just is not true. There is just as much garbage spewing from the left in support as there is the right against but only the people not of the left are being tarred as racists and nazis. Sorry but to me that is just an attempt to bully others into not expressing their opinions. What happened to dissent being patriotic? I didn't realize that changed on 1/20/09 also.

    "Racial arguments have been made, but they seem for the most part unrelated to the display of firearms. I say "for the most part" because I'm sure there's a few exceptions to that rule."

    All I will say to this is that those on the left that are so quick to throw the race card out there really should look in a mirror before they cast the stones out of their own glass houses.
  • Father_Time
    Uh no, these were not official political events sponsored by elected political leaders. Your argument simply does not hold water.
  • EEllis
    "Your argument simply does not hold water."

    And it's different why? Free expression changes according to who is speaking? How about the State GOP convention in Houston in 2000? http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?i... Also what "argument"? What I am stating is what I feel and no matter how hard you whine and cry I am not going to consider it to be a big deal.
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