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No Bipartisan Consensus? Time To Use The Majority!

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The last 48 hours have served as a clarifying moment in the health care debate.

First, the White House sent out trial balloons this weekend on abandoning the public option. Progressives were not amused and organized intensely for the first time this summer. Finally the left is matching the intensity of the right – and it took a perceived betrayal by the White House to do it.

Second, just as progressive Democrats fixed their bayonets, the Republican leadership made it abundantly clear that they had no intention of supporting co-ops or anything else coming out of the Senate Finance Committee. The GOP, whether for ideological or political reasons – or both – decided to play the 1994 Bill Kristol card and refuse to participate any longer.

And now the White House is taking notice: there is no more bipartisan basis for negotiation. The GOP, which itself only counts 39 Senators (without Martinez) has left the negotiating table. Without Republicans, the nature of negotiations AMONG Democrats will change dramatically. The debate will shift somewhat to the left as the rightward ballast has disappeared.

President Obama campaigned to a large extent on the idea of consensus politics. He believed that there was broad agreement across the political spectrum on a variety of issues, including health care. Though support for Obama’s handling of the health care issue has suffered this summer, the public at large – and Independents in particular – still credit Obama for at least trying to work with Republicans. Same was true for the stimulus.

But the reality of Washington is that the GOP has been reduced to its ideological core. There are very few moderates left in the party. The issues surrounding health care have shown themselves to be laden with all sorts of ideological baggage, and the Republican Party has only played up those ideological consequences (as is their right).

And so it’s time to turn to the only poll that matters: November 2008. In that election the electorate not only gave Obama a solid majority – the largest for a Democrat since 1964 – but also elected 59 Democratic Senators…and one more switched to the Dems. The House Democratic caucus also moved significantly to the left.

Elections have consequences. There is nothing immoderate in suggesting that the majority – even the supermajority of 60-39 – has the right to rule in Congress. As a matter of style and principle President Obama sought bipartisan consensus. It was also a matter of good politics as the public likes the idea of cooperation across party lines. Some insecure Democrats also liked the idea that if the public revolted against the plan they would have bipartisan cover.

But that’s not how things are shaking out. Health care will be decided by the Democratic majority elected largely for that very purpose. And that is as it should be.

President Obama will likely be working with the conservative Democrats in the Senate – Baucus, Conrad, Bayh, Landrieu, Nelson and Lincoln. Once he reminds these Senators that there will be no bipartisan cover, he should make this request: oppose the public option if your conscience or your constituents demand. But do NOT support a GOP filibuster of it. Considering that Republicans have abandoned the table, it should become obvious to these right-leaning Democrats that NO deal with the GOP is possible and that a vote for a filibuster (against cloture) would be a vote against any and all health care reform. Period.

There are some issues in politics where bipartisan consensus simply does not exist. This August has only driven that point home. It’s time for Democrats to use the majority that the American people put in place last November.

  • SteveK
    Well said Elrod... now let's see what happens.
  • jbrochester
    But hasn't it been clear for a while, since Jan. 2007, that Republicans had no interest in compromising with Democrats?

    It's all about the Blue Dogs. But I still don't see them voting for a public option. Standing up the the left will sell well in the red states. For all the shouting, lying, and hand-wringing, the debate is at the same place as it was last month.
  • So you're blaming the GoP for a lack of bipartisanship when it was the blue-dogs that sank the public option? I'm sorry, but the only real power the GoP has is the bully pulpit. There's nothing stopping the Democrats from enacting whatever they want except for other Democrats. It's amazing to me anyone can lay the failure of the public option at the feet of the GoP and not a lack of consensus within the Democratic party. There was never any bipartisanship on this to begin with unless one considers accommodating moderate members of your party "bipartisan." Wyden-Bennett is something that could have been truly bipartisan, but that was never seriously considered by the Democratic Party leadership.
  • PulSamsara
    "But hasn't it been clear for a while"

    Yes - It has been clear for a while.

    It's time to shut the door on the republicans and let them scream from the wilderness.
    Forget them - and lets put together a great Health Care reform bill for America.

    The time for listening has past - IT IS TIME TO SHOUT !
  • redbus
    Well, I guess that's it. We'll have a government run health-care system. Now all those bright young kids who might have worked hard in high school and college, motivated by the promise of a high-paying job, will have to content themselves with 60 K per year instead of 200 K (or more). I hope President Obama and others have thought through those kinds of ramifications. Yes, they can and should emphasize medicine (whether nursing or doctoring) as a helping profession. That will go a long ways, but it cannot pay the high tuition costs always involved in pursuing those advanced degrees. It would be very difficult to be making only 60 K, trying to raise a family, buy a house, etc. and be servicing 150 K in student loans. Doesn't add up...but then again, none of the numbers in this debate ever have.
  • Almoderate
    I hope you're right, Elrond. If you are right, then it's an ingenius move by the White House... Give 'em enough rope to let them hang themselves, then when they've shown their true colors because they think you're weak, let the hammer come down. If that's what they're doing, and if they can still succeed in doing so when a majority of Americans actually believe that government money would pay for abortion on demand, I will be impressed. I won't be happy because I don't lean left on all issues, and this could completely demolish any attempt at moderation, but I will be impressed.
  • Kastanj
    So far the media hasn't been willing to call liars liars and ignoramuses ignoramuses. If they see a democrat voice saying "A, because B" and a republican going "WHAAARGARBALARRARARANAAAAAZZII" then they're going to giggle something about "Oh boy what a debate looks like reform is going to be debated for a while yet".
  • casualobserver
    None of the lefties here wanted any "bipartisan consensus", read anything other than fully nationalized control of healthcare, so who will you fool to make a post in hindsight to that effect. The makeup of Congress is not much changed since January 14th, so the only thing you did was fritter away 8 months.

    There is only tangible value in looking ahead against the backdrop of a few thngs.......like, most people, once understanding what is proposed, do not want it........46% of the voters already voted against Obama.......what kind of reception will any further Obama agenda receive.........what are you going to do about those pesky upcoming elections where no Dem candidates are succeeding.
  • DaGoat
    So the Democrats are going to push through a huge plan most Americans don't want. This just seems like sabre-rattling to me. I don't think they have the organization or the cojones to get it done.
  • Don Quijote
    46% of the voters already voted against Obama.......what kind of reception will any further Obama agenda receive.........what are you going to do about those pesky upcoming elections where no Dem candidates are succeeding.


    50,1% of the voters already voted against Bush....... It did not stop him from starting a war over the protest of millions of Americans.....He still got reelected!
  • Pug
    None of the lefties here wanted any "bipartisan consensus", read anything other than fully nationalized control of healthcare...

    This is the bad faith argument Republicans make. It's either "fully nationalized control of healthcare" or absolutely nothing in their view. No one is talking about fully nationalized health care except Republicans. There is no bipartisan consensus because Republicans will have no part of it.

    They've presented no alternatives or suggestions of their own and have gone off the deep end screaming about socialism, death panels and euthanasia, bringing their guns to town hall meetings and acting completely stupid in general.

    As far as the elections, we've just had elections. Republicans didn't do well.
  • superdestroyer
    Elrod is showing what the future of politics will look like in the U.S. 60% of the populations ( the non-productive portion) voting itself a growing list of government goodies while trying to stick a small portion of the the population (the productive portion) with the ever growing bill.

    As Redbus pointed out, one would have to be insane to think about a career in health care. The wages will be going down, the taxes will be going up, and the government requirements to maintain your job will continue to grow.

    Given the Democrats push to legalize drug. One would probably be better off planning on running a meth lab instead of going to medical school. More money and less regulations.
  • RevDave
    Elections have consequences. The American public has rejected the Republican positions recently and it is clear the current Republicans have no interest in health care reform at all. Time to put through a good Democratic bill and live with it - if the public doesn't like the Democratic positions we have elections to take care of that.
  • marybluesky
    Hey superdestroyer: your argument about who pays the bill and calling 60% of our population non-productive flies in the face of reality: Reality is that over the last 20 or so years, an increasingly obscene percentage of our nation's income has gone to the rich and super-rich. Reality is that the rich have had taxes lowered and lowered, all while promising "trickle-down" wealth and jobs. Reality is that instead of a reasonable differential between the lowest & highest paid jobs, executives are sucking the blood of our country on the backs of poorly paid workers.

    And who the heck are you to call low-wage earners "unproductive"? Try living without garbage pickup - I bet you'll value it plenty in a couple of weeks.
  • jonimp9
    @SD

    I guess it's a good thing we have all those management types who make up the 'productive' part of our society.

    Why don't you just say that you don't want your tax money going to help the less fortunate and be done with it?
  • redbus,
    Not sure how you make the leap from a government healthcare plan to $60k salary caps. They don't have those caps in Canada or Great Britain which have had government health care plans for quite a while now.

    superdestroyer,
    Why do you hate America? :-)

    DaGoat,
    Most Americans want a public plan... it's the nebulous totality of reform that they are scared about. And most of the fear comes from old folks who aren't effected anyways since they are already under a government plan.

    casualobserver,
    If only Democrats in Washington actually wanted a totally government run program. How nice would it be to be able to any doctor in the country and merely show them proof of citizenship to get care.
  • Silhouette
    "Elections have consequences. There is nothing immoderate in suggesting that the majority - even the supermajority of 60-39 - has the right to rule in Congress. As a matter of style and principle President Obama sought bipartisan consensus."
    *******

    Imagine if you will the reverse scenario. The GOP would go hog-wild without batting an eyelash as to what dems think. As a matter of "style and principle" they would give anyone left of Boehner the middle finger and laugh all the way to the bank.
  • PWT
    marybluesky, it would seem that you are the one divorced from reality. SD was wrong to say that 60% of the population is non-productive. I believe that what he was referring to is that statistic that the top 50% of wage earners pay 96% of all Federal Income Taxes. That leaves the bottom 50% as being responsible for paying a mere 4% of all Federal Income Taxes. Though it is not non-productive, it is not far from it. The percentage of income that goes to that top 50% is less than 96% of the income earned by workers, making your agrgument ridiculous on its face.

    What does being non-productive have to do with garbage pick-up? I work next to some housing projects in NYC, where I would assume that a large number of the residents would be considered non-productive, and there is no problem with garbage pick-up. So, what are you talking about?
  • Father_Time
    --[Ma'am trying to have a conversation with you is like trying to have a coversation with the dinning room table]-- Congressman Barney Frank.

    YEAH! You da MAN Barney! Just tell them Wackos that they are indeed Wackos! It's the humane thing to do anyway.
  • dogjudge
    I love how Republicans here and elsewhere attempt to point to the Democrats as not wanting bi-partisanship.

    I'm sorry, but can you point to more than TWO issues where the Republicans have compromised on ANYTHING that made it into law.

    Compromise is a two way street. What the Republicans have demonstrated is the GWB manner of compromise. My way or the highway.

    I've been involved in multimillion dollar negotiations with companies such as Kraft. If one side, or the other negotiated in this manner, the other side typically walks away from the table.

    Core Republicans are about 1/3 of their party. 33% support them no matter what they do. In order to get elected, politicians Democrats or Republicans, have to bring in the support of the rest of their party and independents.

    Sorry, but until the Republicans understand this, the more they are going to lose elections.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Totally agree with you. Elrod: When all else fails, do it the Republican way: Forget bipartisanship, compromise, and all that feel good stuff. Use raw power
  • shannonlee
    " I don't think they have the organization or the cojones to get it done"

    That is the question...do they have the courage? Are they the cowards that the right portrays them to be?? If they can't pass health care reform while having full control of both houses and the wh...how can they protect us for terrorists?

    This is what Dems are going to see in 2010 and 2012...
    "They had complete control of the government and still couldn't pass their agenda. Are these the kind of people you want representing you?"
  • roro80
    Great post, Elrod.

    casual: "other than fully nationalized control of healthcare"

    There are a few extreme lefties who would very much like fully nationalized control of healthcare. Of the lefties on this board, I haven't seen a single one. Where are you getting this?

    superdestroyer is hilarious as always. I guess he can't deal with the fact that statistically, blue states are more wealthy and therefore pay more taxes than red states, with the one exception of Texas. So that's the unproductive 60%? I guess there is an argument to be made that low paying jobs certainly are a lot more difficult in many ways, and people doing manual labor built this country in any literal sense, but something tells me that's not what he meant. It's like that totally giggle-inducing term "limosine liberal" -- like, if you feel it's your duty to pay taxes on your own wealth, the right-wingers don't think you deserve that wealth in the first place. Like having wealth at all makes a liberal a hypocrite.
  • jchem
    Dorian, look where these same tactics got the Repubs. They used raw power, jammed through their agenda, and quickly found themselves in the looney bin. I'm really not sure what kind of health care reform the Dems could come up with that the Repubs could support; perhaps there really isn't one. But they need to come up with something that the public can support, and so far it seems the Dems have done a disastrous job of delivering the message. If they want to ram through something that the public doesn't want, they will go down the same road that the Repubs paved for them, and then we can all wonder how they got there.
  • redbus
    Chris WWW -

    Just Googled these words: "average income doctor U.K." According to the NHS website, junior doctors in their first year earn about £ 33,000. At current exchange rates, that's about $ 54,000.00. So, no, my 60K figure probably wasn't that far off. And BTW, in the bill that passed the House, it talks about paying general practitioners the same as specialists, so why would anyone want to take on more debt to study a speciality? You can put a lot of stupid stuff in a bill over 1,100 pages long!
  • CStanley
    Most Americans want a public plan... it's the nebulous totality of reform that they are scared about.Seen the polls lately, Chris?

    And most of the fear comes from old folks who aren't effected anyways since they are already under a government plan.Because those people aren't afraid of a govt plan that they saw as a contract which had them paying into the system for 40+ years and then drawing out of during their retirement- which is not what is currently being proposed. Add to that the fact that the currently proposed public plan will need to be funded partly by cutting their benefits, and it's hardly a surprise that they're opposing it.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Jchem:

    I understand what you are saying, but I look it at this way.

    Republicans used raw power, and "jammed thorugh theit agenda," on issues that were outright wrong and devastating to our country (e.g. the Iraq war. the Bush economic disaster, etc.,) and. yes, they "quickly found themselves in the looney bin."

    Health care reform is the right issue, is the right thing to do, and if it weren't for the Republican lies, misinformation and fear mongering, an overwhelming percentage of Americans would support it.

    As it is, even with all the treacherous Republican tactics, on the overall health plan it is still a close call.

    You say " I'm really not sure what kind of health care reform the Dems could come up with that the Repubs could support; perhaps there really isn't one." I believe the latter part of your statement is, sadly, the truth.

    So, for a change, let's do what we think is right for America, for the people and let's take our chances.

    Finally, I totally agree with you that "so far it seems the Dems have done a disastrous job of delivering the message."

    That's the problem, not the plan, and finally people like Barney Franks are beginning to show some spine.

    Thanks for your comment
  • SteveK
    redbus wrote: "junior doctors in their first year earn about £ 33,000. At current exchange rates, that's about $ 54,000.00."
    In the US "junior doctors" (interns) make between $30,000 and $50,000 a year so I don't think you comparing the wages of first year physicians to what doctors make is a valid one.
  • Don Quijote
    In the US "junior doctors" (interns) make between $30,000 and $50,000 a year so I don't think you comparing the wages of first year physicians to what doctors make is a valid one.


    And I am pretty damn sure that your average British doctor does not have a tenth of the college debt you average American doctor has coming out of school.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    SteveK beat me to it. Apparently redbus isn't that familiar with the system.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Once again someone has claimed that most Americans don't want any plan the Democrats might propose. Is that at least in part because of grassroots organizations like the Coalition to Protect Patients' Rights?
  • superdestroyer
    One of the odd artifacts of NHS is that is if an allied health person graudates and there are no jobs (such as for a pharmacist) then the person is out of luck. The next year the government will be graduating a new set of pharmacist, podiatrist, physicist, therapist and they will get the jobs. That is why were are British nurses in the U.S. but no U.S. nurses in England.
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