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Niki Tsongas Explains Why Obamacare Works… for her

Representative Niki Tsongas (D-MA) bravely showed up at a town hall to discuss health care reform, and rather than being shouted down, (thankfully) she got the chance to take a serious question from one of the people in the audience. (Please see the full story and video from Ed Morrissey at Hot Air.)

CONSTITUENT: My question to you, Congresswoman Tsongas, is that if this is such a great plan, why did you opt out of it when you took the vote [loud applause, standing ovation]?

TSONGAS: People often say why don’t the American people have what those of us in Congress have. [Audience erupts] Let me explain what I have. Let me explain what I have. What I have is a tremendous array — you know, last year when I went to a discussion — what I have is a tremendous array of choices. And I made a choice based on what I was willing to pay for and what made sense in terms of coverage for me and my family. [Audience shouts out: "We want choice! We want choice!] This is essentially what we are creating for the American people. We are creating greater choice.

Leaving aside for the moment the fact that if these proposed Congressional plans are so great, why wouldn’t she sign up herself, do they really provide greater choice? Ed explains exactly why this is a fantasy which many supporters are falling for.

No, Representative Tsongas, you’re not creating choice. You’re restricting choice, both explicitly and implicitly. The ObamaCare bill explicitly forces private insurers into conformity in dictating coverages in order to qualify under state “exchanges”, which greatly reduces choice and will almost certainly wipe out at least some existing private plans. Implicitly, the public option will undercut private insurers and give businesses a chance to opt out of providing coverage at all — which means as many as 83 million Americans will lose their insurance in the first ten years. Thanks to the rules set up by ObamaCare, those people will have no choice at all but to take the public option.

Every time I try to raise this point here I get an immediate rush of responses insisting that all this plan does is “create competition” which will drive down prices by reigning in the evil, money grubbing insurance companies who are ripping us all off. What many of these staunch defenders seem unwilling or unable to examine is that fact that such a system relies on top-down control of medical care costs. Any time top-down price control is attempted by governments the result is uniformly bad. Generally it’s used to try to keep prices down, but on rare, odd occasions it’s been used to artificially inflate prices, such as in Italy during the early 1900’s. It didn’t work well there either.

Forcing prices down below market rates results in lower availability of resources as per basic laws of supply and demand. You can’t make the manufacturer of five million dollar M.R.I machines start selling them for fifty thousand dollars. (Well, you can, but they won’t stay in business for more than five minutes.) The same applies to insurance companies providing the commodity of health care coverage. If you make them “compete” with a government plan which doesn’t have to obey the same market rules as everyone else, and attempt to dictate who they will cover, what services they will provide and what they can charge, you drive them out of business and your “choices” go away.

Of course, for people in Congress, this isn’t a concern. They won’t have to take the public plan which many Democrats still seek to foist off on the rest of us. There will always be someone to provide gold plated coverage to the elected officials who control policy. This works out pretty well for Niki Tsongas. For the rest of us? Not so much.

  • SteveK
    Phooey.
  • mikkel
    "Market price" isn't "magical price." Not only can markets be wrong, but they can remain overinflated due to lack of competition, gross inefficiencies, etc. The point of the government choice isn't to dictate how much everything will cost, it's to force them to change their business practices and literally create a new market since the current one is so broken. Although as my posts have made it clear, I don't believe it will. [Once again, what people are complaining about the government doing is exact opposite of all the cbo analysis.]

    Secondly, if you are talking about the Senate version, they don't mandate that insurance companies join the exchanges...they just have to in order for individuals to get subsidies. The House also doesn't mandate it, you'd just have to pay an extra fee if you aren't part of it. I believe the Senate version will be the one passed.
  • Lit3Bolt
    Jazz, I leave you to your delusion that health care prices are set by the "free market."

    The system needs price review because the average uninsured consumer can never ever afford them. Every insurance company (and Medicare) pays a pittance of a hospital bill because they can pool risk and customers. What do the hospitals do? Artificially raise prices so they can get a decent portion of what they charge.

    Maybe we don't need a public option. But millions of Americans DO need some form of insurance. I'm still waiting for the Republican plan to give it to them, but they're too busy running around crying "socialism." (Price controls was a cleaver euphemism.)
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Please, Jazz. Ed Morrissey is a hack. Hot Air is nothing but hyper-partisan drek. In the real world of American health insurance the vast majority of us have absolutely no choice as the system currently exists. Until Ed admit this, any comments only show an amazing level of willful ignorance. The same level of ignorance displayed when claims of how well the "market" would work if only the evil government would leave it alone. As far as defending the insurance companies is concerned, I have only one word for you. Recission.
  • Dr J
    "Every insurance company (and Medicare) pays a pittance of a hospital bill because they can pool risk and customers."

    No, Lit3, pooling risk has nothing to do with hospitals' outrageous "sticker prices" and the dramatic "discounts" insurers negotiate. Those are a bit of theater that hospitals and insurers (including government) collude to stage for us. Insurers benefit because they look like heroes. Hospitals benefit because the inflated prices put them in a better negotiating position with their other customers (like the uninsured). They get away with it only because there's so little real competition in the market.

    And all of y'all who are portraying Jazz as defending insurers or the way prices are set today should read his post again. He said nothing of the kind.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    First, Dr J: "And all of y'all who are portraying Jazz as defending insurers or the way prices are set today should read his post again. He said nothing of the kind."

    Then Jazz: "Every time I try to raise this point here I get an immediate rush of responses insisting that all this plan does is “create competition” which will drive down prices by reigning in the evil, money grubbing insurance companies who are ripping us all off."

    He's not? Sounds like a defense of the insurance companies to me.
  • galtin86
    "Any time top-down price control is attempted by governments the result is uniformly bad."

    While I don't agree with the word "uniformly" because certainly some people benefit from price-controls, I agree that such controls are generally bad. Luckily, no such policy is being considered by anyone in Congress. If you're saying that letting insurers participate in exchanges of their own free will (subject to abiding by the rules of the game of course) is a price control, then I believe you are mistaken.

    If the exchange is so bad, then consumers and insurers can stay out and continue their business as usual. All the exchange does is expand choice by creating a marketplace that people can voluntarily participate in, if they so choose. If they don't want to, there's no change relative to the status quo.
  • lurxst
    Currently the private insurers benefit dramatically from being able to push out (via recission or astromnomical premiums) the more expensive healthcare recipients onto Medicare. So Medicare remains this extremely high risk pool to insure, with government subsidy, and essentially allows private plans an extremely unfair advantage that has nothing to do with the "free market".
  • Dr J
    Jim: "He's not? Sounds like a defense of the insurance companies to me."

    It isn't. He's saying more government manipulation will make things worse. That doesn't imply what we have today is good or that he's against improving it.
  • waycupamerica
    ObamaCare is only for the huddled masses, the good stuff is reserved for those that make the rules. If you want to know long term effects of government controlled healthcare just look over the border to Canada they have been under the thumb of government since 1985, and now realize that it was a big mistake. Once again if this ObamaCare is so darn good why are the Democrat's in Washington refusing to join? CHOICES BABY,CHOICES!
  • alphonsegaston
    I was nor aware that Canadians think their health program is "a big mistake." I have read many, many angry defenses of their system, anger directed at Americans lying about their health care.


    What choice does anyone with diabetes, asthma, a history of cancer, kidney problems et.al. have? They simply cannot buy private insurance. Their only choice is to ask for charity from a local hospital (ours has such a program), wait and see if they can live long enough to qualify for Medicare, or just give up.

    I did not understand what Rep. Tsongas did not sign up for. Federal employees have a choice of plans, and I thought she said she picked out one. Someone explain please.
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