Hey, Kids! Let’s Overthrow the Government
I only noticed this story, for which I can find no suitable adjective, because it was highlighted and responded to by Rick Moran at Right Wing Nuthouse. It’s from Free Republic honcho Jim Robinson, who apparently is unhappy with the performance thus far of President Obama and the Democratic controlled Congress, and seeks a remedy to this untenable situation by marching millions of people to Washington, D.C. and overthrowing the government.
We have reached the point where the government’s long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.
Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.
Rick, (a well known, closeted leftist sympathizer) as usual, throws cold water all over this wonderful idea in his Sunday column, titled, “Why I Want America to Continue to Toil Under the Oppressive Yoke of a Socialist Communist Tyrant.” Moran seems to fear the minor inconveniences which might result from immediately dismantling our entire governmental, social, societal and security infrastructure. What a wuss!
First, I could have lifted the exact same verbiage from any of 50 lefty blogs while Bush was in office. It was stupid then and it’s stupid now. Positing the idea that we are unfree or living under some kind of authoritarian regime is so far beyond the pale of rationality one wonders if this guy sits in the dark, cradling his gun, waiting for the secret police to bust down his door.
Ok… the column is actually titled, “Why Conservatism Sucks Right Now” and he has some harsh words for the author.
Conservatives will laugh this kind of thing off as an aberration. But I am telling my fellow righties that we ignore this crap to the detriment of the rest of us who oppose the administration’s actions. With pop-cons like Hannity, Beck, Coulter, and other conservative celebrities mouthing some of this nonsense (while implying even worse) on a daily basis, more and more of the base are turning into unhinged, screaming maniacs who believe America is being “destroyed” by Obama and the liberals.
This screed is symptomatic of the sickness of thought and reason that afflicts many conservatives today – more than we are prepared to acknowledge and far more than one would normally expect from a philosophy that supposedly prides itself on prudence, rationality, and probity.
I’m pretty unhappy with the direction this administration and Congress is taking us in terms of the economy and our domestic agenda. In fact, I’m more than unhappy. I’m getting close to a full panic. But sending millions of armed citizens to the capitol just might be a teeny, weenie bit of an overreaction. Read both of the linked items in full. And if you have the stomach, read some of the list of comments already piling up at Free Republic in response to it. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
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Well, I just read the comments section of a couple of conservative blogs (Picked out from the results of a Google search.) that were posting on the death of Walter Cronkite. It was pretty sickening. The comments on Free Republic are exactly what I expect from the extremists of the right. And yes, there are more of them than leftist loons. Just look at the ratings for people like Glen Beck, Sean Hannity, etc.
Just remember the source of where this message began. That alone should be enough to discredit the whole concept before it even starts. If you give these yahoos any credence, you might as well give the domestic survivalist terrorist groups in Oklahoma and Idaho and various out-of-the-way corners of the world a stage as well.
'nuff said.
About ten years ago Free Republic was a fairly good natured site, definitely conservative but a place you could have a decent conversation. After 9/11 and over the next few years it pretty much went off the deep end and now Jim Robinson seems to have completely lost his mind.
I've been quite happy with the way Obama is doing his job. I see a man who came into a recession that was rocketing into depression at an alarming rate and was ignored and hidden for 18 months before Bush could no longer keep it from the people about how bad the economy was.
We had a global recession that was almost at the beginnings of the 1930s style Great Depression.
It was really bad. Scary bad.
Obama wants to remake our economy because the industrial age is over. The Green jobs are an exciting and new possibility that could re-energize our economy and give us exciting new business opportunities. It's nuts to fight against something that could bring our economy the kind of era that our parents had in the 50s and 60s.
So now the Freepers want to overthrow the president for trying to bring us a new golden age of jobs. simply because he is a democrat.
Moran, while a conservative, sounds like the common sense kind that you can respect even if you don't agree.
I've been quite happy with the way Obama is doing his job. I see a man who came into a recession that was rocketing into depression at an alarming rate and was ignored and hidden for 18 months before Bush could no longer keep it from the people about how bad the economy was.
We had a global recession that was almost at the beginnings of the 1930s style Great Depression.
It was really bad. Scary bad.
Obama wants to remake our economy because the industrial age is over. The Green jobs are an exciting and new possibility that could re-energize our economy and give us exciting new business opportunities. It's nuts to fight against something that could bring our economy the kind of era that our parents had in the 50s and 60s.
So now the Freepers want to overthrow the president for trying to bring us a new golden age of jobs. simply because he is a democrat.
Moran, while a conservative, sounds like the common sense kind that you can respect even if you don't agree.
I was recently reading the Constitution, does it not say when the government is not looking out for the people, and being tyrannical it is the duty of citizens to replace it?
Well, it had to happen eventually. The Free Republic has finally caught the eyes of the commissars in the West Wing and now they are out to ridicule and slander the Freepers out of existence. Making FR a target will only strenghten the will of the readers, contributors and operators of that great site.
If you can't see how this Prez and his useful idiots have tried to trash America during his short time in office, then you are part of the problem as well. I'm not part of the elitenati, but I sure know how to spot Marxism when and where it is practiced. This Prez is multi-generational red by blood and aquaintance. Oh, by the way, copies of my birth certicate and Baptismal records are available upon request.
Why do you hate America and freedom, Jazz Shaw?
Oh, my goodness ~ 10 years ago we had a crowd in there whose biggest concern was what they said was a United Nations attempt to invade and occupy the United States. They regularly posted pictures of white tanks loaded onto flatbed railcars as proof.
They were weeded out gently and thoroughly.
None of us knew you were still pissed off!
You folks want to live in a People's Republic, fine. Count me out.
I am a 52 year old Systems Engineer, veteran and former Hospital CEO. I have multiple degrees, (America History, Hospital Administration and EE) from FSU, GSU and Cal Poly (San Luis Obispo). I was banned as a “troll” from Free Republic in '06 for disagreeing with Mr. Robinson publicly on his forum. I had been a member and regular contributor since '97. As a poster said above, Free Republic was once a place you could have good conversation. It is still a good place to find Headlines, though the number of knuckleheads have increased dramatically in recent years. However the venomous responses still do not reach the level of democratunderground or dailykos. Folks at those two sites are little more than self-hating nihilists.
That said, I spent the time yesterday reading the 300 post intro and the 500 post response that is referred to above. Robinson's reasons are correct. The Federal Government bears no resemblance to the Federal Republic of my young adulthood. The power of the several States and of the People have been usurped, without regard to Constitutional checks and balances, by the Courts and by the Congress. No President can do so without the permission of Congress; they pay the bills and they write the Laws.
There was a time when nothing was illegal unless specified, now little is legal unless specifically allowed. This is not liberty. This is not freedom. I can understand the frustration of the People. It is, after all, our heritage which is being erased. Robinson is correct saying that one of the founding principles of this Nation was that the People could, nay, should take back their power when the Government no longer serves them, or when they serve the Government. Our Government should fear the People. The People should never fear the Government.
Oh, and to the poster who suggests that “green” jobs are exciting? Child, you know not of what you speak.
I was recently reading the Constitution, does it not say when the government is not looking out for the people, and being tyrannical it is the duty of citizens to replace it?
Yes, Fred, but we did not have to go to that extreme with Pres. Bush. We got rid of him the democratic and also constitutionally prescribed way — limiting his tenure to eight years and then kicking his soulless political party out the door.
The problem is that Obama and Congress are exercising constitutionally nonexistent federal government powers. The federal government's illegal usurpation of state powers actually got started when the ill-conceived, anti-state sovereignty 16th and 17th Amendments were ratified in 1913 and went into high gear when constitutionally clueless FDR was president in the 1930s. Constitutionally ignorant Obama is unthinkingly following in FDR's misguided footsteps.
The following url is an analysis as to how the 16th and 17th Amendments got us into this big, corrupt federal government mess.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=1…
The bottom line is that the federal government needs to be “overthrown” in the following manner. The voters need to wise up to the federal government's ongoing, illegal usurping of state powers and do this. Voters need to put the constitutional leash back on the corrupt federal government by electing pro-state power leaders to both the federal and state governments in 2010. Once elected, pro-state power leaders need to repeal the 16th and 17th Amendments, the source of power, in my opinion, for the corrupt Democratic Party now ruining the country.
Here is a relevant historical precedent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKyO2G8kGM0
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My Mom can make the Costumes and we can Practice in my barn
Oh, my. Some of the loons have flown their usual coop.
>>Oh, my. Some of the loons have flown their usual coop.
Heh. Interesting how all of the sudden there is a flood of first-time posters flocking to this thread. (I counted at least five in the last hour).
And so the locusts descend…
Rim Jobinson and his 101st Chairborne Division would be hard-pressed to climb the stairs of their parents' basements, let alone start an armed revolution.
I laugh in their general direction.
The constitution does not say a mob of millions of people can overthrow the government. You can try; you may even succeed if the people are truly behind you; but it won't be constitutional. For that, we have a well-established process whereby elected officials can be impeached, tried and removed.
However, in case you didn't notice, most people approve of the job Obama is doing. Those in favor of impeachment are in the minority. Those in favor of a people's revolution to overthrow the government are undoubtedly much smaller than that, even.
I voted for Obama, as did most other Americans. I'm happy overall with his performance, though I wish he would listen to Krugman and Stiglitz on the economy. Obama is going in a relatively “left” direction on some issues, like health care, but overall I'd call his leadership moderate: left in some areas, to the right in others (e.g. foreign policy, military spending), and down the middle on other matters.
Just to point out, I didn't mention the Constitution.
Note: Founding principle, “When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.”
Robinson declared his reasons. Many people agree with him.
The United States is not a democracy. The opinions of a majority who wish to suck at the teat of government isn't an opinion that counts for a great deal.
Frankly, I don't support the idea of an “armed rebellion”, nor does Mr. Robinson. I suspect neither you nor many others here have actually read what was written. Robinson asked what would be the result if several million liberty and freedom loving people descended upon Washington City seeking satisfaction. Farrakan did it. As did the anarchists (liberals) during the turmoil of the 60s.
I would support one million demonstrators shutting the city down for a couple of days. If they were all gun owners I might even support them exercising their Right to keep and bear arms, peacefully. After all, these putative demonstrators do have the Right to petition Congress for a redress of their grievances. If that means 30,000 of them decide to fill the capital building beyond capacity, well, armed Puerto Ricans did it. If that means that half a million of them decide to camp out on the Mall, well WWI veterans did that too.
Face it, conservatives are usually too busy making a living and taking care of their children to riot. If fact you've never seen a conservative riot. You've seen plenty of leftists riot, it is what they do. But, if the tyranny coming from D.C. doesn't ameliorate and people continue losing their jobs, well it is hard to say exactly what will happen. Regardless there will be a lot of people who share Robinson's beliefs in D.C. on September 12, 2009.
“Why do you hate America and freedom, Jazz Shaw?“
I guess I was just raised by commies.
Brooks Brothers riot
You're right, their modus operanti generally favors intimidation through the use of goons and death squads.
Goons and death squads? Loosing touch with reality, eh?
I had never heard of the “Brooks Brothers” riot. Was property damaged? Were people injured? Doesn't sound like a riot.
'68 democrat convention — THAT was a riot and funny to boot as the anarchists ate their own.
We should just kill all the conservatives now before they can endanger the country – you know, a preemptive strike, like Iraq.
The seminar posters have received their orders and have landed in their little black helicopters…
Not surprising to see how the gate swings both ways. A few years ago we had Cindy Sheehan and her bunch of crazy loons practically foaming at the mouth over Bush – today, we have the seditious crazies on the right equally as vociferous in their objections.
Just goes to show – Crazy and Stupid are not an exclusive province of the left nor the right. Both sides have their nutcases.
Not to familiar with American history, are you?
Bonus Army
Ludlow Massacre
Columbine Mine massacre
Kent State Massacre
Haymarket affair
Amazing the amount of working people who have been killed for having the nerve to ask for an honest day's pay…
The Tulsa, Oklahoma Race
Riot of 1921
Lynchings: By State and Race, 1882-1968 *
or the amount of people who have been killed to keep people in their place…
How many sons have you given to Uncle Sam for an illegal and pointless war in the Middle East?
I am certain of my history. Based upon my assessment you are either trying to instigate a fight (which means you're a troll) or you just didn't read what I wrote.
Nothing above disproves my suggestion that neither you, nor any one else reading this, have ever seen a Conservative Riot.
Your selection of the Bonus Army as an example of conservatism is absurd. That you pick racist democrat southerners (think Robert Byrd, Lester Maddox and George Wallace) indicates your ignorance of the subject. And delving as much as 125 years into a past that no longer exists only shows the weakness of your thinking.
But I will bite on one. How does the actions of the Ohio National Guard support your actions?
How many college protest did we get after Kent State?
“How many sons have you given to Uncle Sam for an illegal and pointless war in the Middle East?”
I've heard this pablum before.
Just how do you define illegal? It certainly is legal under American jurisprudence. Authorized by Congress and all that. The US is a sovereign nation. There are no extra-national authorizing authorities.
Or is it illegal because you think it is illegal. Of course you realize that is a rather arrogant position.
Lots.
“Or is it illegal because you think it is illegal.”
The War on Iraq: Legal Issues
The UN isn't sovereign. And your information is inaccurate.
Study harder next time.
When we joined the UN we signed a treaty, therefor it's the law of the land.
United Nations Charter
Any other idiotic comments?
As a current FReeper, let me say, you are always welcome to return..
I don't think I'll be able to go to DC on 9.12.2009 but, I know Jim and the others would welcome your presence.
Do you realize you still have an active page at FreeRepublic?
I think you were only suspended not, banned.
Maybe you would like to list a few of his accomplishment thus far?
From where I sit, going DIRECTLY down the road to Marxism/Fascism is NOT a worthy goal for any POTUS.
Yes, it is really nice to have a permanent Veto on the Security Council.
Also, it has never been held, by SCOTUS, the US Congress or any President, that American National interests be superseded by UN authority. The US only follows those UN resolutions that are convenient or intersect extant American policies.
Looking for help to overthrow the regime in Congo-Brazzaville. Got ideas and means?
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