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Betting on Global Warming

Earth.jpgIn a slightly more fun, casual story for your Sunday reading, an interesting wager has broken out in the blogosphere. In what he calls a Challenge to Climate Change Skeptics, Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com is offering a rather hefty wager to all takers based on … the weather. It came in response to another blogger who claimed that this summer seemed abnormally cool – referencing the “year without a summer” of 1816 – and an inference that this somehow meant global warming was so much horse hockey.

The rules of the challenge are as follows:

1. For each day that the high temperature in your hometown is at least 1 degree Fahrenheit above average, as listed by Weather Underground, you owe me $25. For each day that it is at least 1 degree Fahrenheit below average, I owe you $25.
2. The challenge proceeds in monthly intervals, with the first month being August. At the end of each month, we’ll tally up the winning and losing days and the loser writes the winner a check for the balance.

This got me to thinking, particularly since I was just remarking to a friend the other day that we had only had our air conditioning on once this summer. Mostly I attributed this to the somewhat greater amount of rain we’ve gotten this summer. I’m not talking flood on the plains, start building an ark rain here… just a bit more than usual. And when you have rain, you have clouds, so the days seem to have also been a bit cooler.

Since we’re talking about “summer” here, I decided to see how my hypothetical bet with Nate would be going thus far had we started the wager for my local area of Binghamton, New York at the start of summer on June 21. So let’s look at the historical charts of the actual high temperatures vs. the average highs for June and July, starting on the 21st and going through yesterday, July 18.

On 22 days, the high temperature was below the average. On six days it was higher. That means I’m up sixteen days on Nate and he thus far owes me four hundred bucks. Woo Hoo! Anybody want to hit the pub? Drinks are one me!

So you may be wondering why I haven’t already leaped in and taken Nate up on his foolish offer. I should fleece the sucker before he runs out of cash, right? No. Nate may be a political prognosticator of amazing talent, (he is) and a legendary scorer of baseball stats, but this bet is completely silly and there is no useful data to predict your odds. The historical temperature figures for my area on this date will show you that, during the period of time when accurate records are available, the highest high temperature was over 100 and the lowest high temperature was near freezing. It is, in short, a crap shoot. And statistics tell us you’d actually have a better shot at predicting your dice rolls in a real craps game than calling this one.

From what we can glean, the average temperatures on planet Earth have been slowly increasing for quite a while now, but we’re talking about geological time, not the number of summers you can remember. The amount of time we’ve had the technology required to keep accurate records doesn’t add up to a hummingbird’s heartbeat in terms of the spans involved here. And I do believe that the activities of man absolutely have some effect on the environment. When the first Neanderthal (or whoever it was) banged two rocks together and set fire to a pile of dried dung which would not have naturally burned on its own, we began affecting the atmosphere. If you go down to the beach and pee in the ocean, you will have raised the ocean levels and changed their chemistry. How much of an effect do we have and how does it balance against the natural changes which have been happening in the global climate since the planet formed? I don’t know. And I get rather annoyed with people who claim that they do know.

We now know that the orbit of the planet is not perfectly round and it changes in regular cycles from a more circular route to a more elliptical one, and back again. This seems to synch up with certain long term changes in the geological climate record. The Earth has experienced hothouse periods back when the dinosaurs were stomping around where there wasn’t a bit of polar ice in the arctic or antarctic. We’ve also apparently had at least one and possibly as many as three times when the entire planet became “snowball Earth” with the globe frozen over and life hanging on by a thread in the deep oceans and in cracks between ice sheets.

If you win a wager based on the daily high temperatures over a period of 30, 60 or 120 days and wave your winnings over your head, proclaiming that this somehow demonstrates that global warming is real or global warming is nonsense, you’re deluded. The biosphere is vastly complex and huge in scale. We’re still unable to accurately model it on a day to day basis, say nothing of what will happen in centuries or eons. As Lewis Black once quipped, “you know what meteorologist means in Latin? It means LIAR.”

Do I think we should reduce, as much as possible, the amount of crap we constantly dump into the air? I do. And I want us to cut down on pollution, landfills and all the rest. We are terrible stewards of our planet’s resources and we’re leaving quite a toxic mess behind us as we go. Do I think we know exactly what’s going on with the climate and exactly what effect we’re having on it? I do not. I don’t think we’re quite that smart yet. As for me, I’ll wait until they can reliably tell me on Tuesday whether or not I need to bring an umbrella when I go shopping on Friday. If you can manage that much, maybe then we’ll have a chat about what’s going to happen in two hundred years.

  • MaxC
    What most people miss is that an increase of one degree doesn't mean much on how hot it feels. It means much more about how much energy is being stored in the atmosphere. What the one degree increase means is more storms.
    As for where I live: I would owe the man a lot of money.
    http://www.srh.noaa.gov/oun/climate/graphs.php?...
  • Global warming, by definition is global. Silver's challenge is about city warming. The issue is not about geologic time, but about global perspective. The answers are systemic and strategic, not tactical.
    But, a admire Silver's ability to get attention.
  • ricks8055
    This is the most reasoned essay on climate change I have ever read. Thank you.
  • Dave_Schuler
    Most important is the question of whether the means are suited to the ends. So far that hasn't been the case. The steps taken in Europe haven't done a thing to slow human-caused climate change. They have, however, employed lots of bureaucrats and given a leg up to a handful of preferred companies. The steps taken in Europe have been much along the same lines as Waxman-Markey.

    However pure your motives if what you propose to do about the situation isn't effective I don't think you're a lot better than the guy who thinks the whole idea is bunk and resists doing anything at all.
  • Ricorun
    My advice is... don't take the bet. Silver knows what he is doing. Obviously, there is no guarantee he'll win every time, but I'd say the odds are in his favor. It is not a "crap shoot". He probably also knows that global warming per se doesn't have a whole lot to do with it. Then again, I suspect the point he is trying to make is that the arguments coming from most skeptics don't either.

    More specifically, I suspect that what he is banking on is the variations in sun spot cycles and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (which drive the El Nino/La Nina cyces). It so happens that both favored lower than normal temperatures in the Northern Hemisphere until recently, and both now favor warmer than normal temperatures. Those are the primary reasons why the odds are in his favor. They don't have anything to do with global warming, but by the same token they are also precisely those variables that have enabled skeptics to claim the climate is supposedly cooling for the last few years. Other statistical tricks have been employed by skeptics as well, but the biggie is ignoring longer term trends in favor of shorter term oscillations that, until recently, happened to be consistent with their meme.
  • roiy
    the only notion more frivolous than man made global warming is that we can change it back.
  • hugh42
    I would love to see you provide facts. How much pollution have we ever created? How much has the earth created, just in the form of volcanoes? How accurate are the climate models in predicting current weather? What is the effect of increasing temperature on dissolved carbon dioxide in the oceans?

    You are already claiming to know what is happening. I don't buy you peeing example. Is your action somehow unusual, additive to all that is happening in the same second world wide. I think you are imagining an effect and have no facts to prove it.
  • MaxC
    Ok Hugh42, let’s take a look at some facts.
    1). Matter can’t be created or destroyed in a chemical reaction.
    2). Internal combustion engines operate using a chemical reaction – combustion.
    3). The combustion of octane, a major component of auto fuel involves turning octane into CO2 and water. This is the stoichiometrical equation for the reaction 2C8H18 + 25O2  16CO2 + 18H2O. What it says is that for every two molecules of octane that you combust, you get 16 molecules of CO2 and 18 molecules of water. Notice that the combustion of octane removes oxygen from the system.
    4). A Mole of a substance contains about 6.022 x 1023 molecules. A Mole weights the atomic weight of a substance in grams. By doing a little math, you can find out that a gallon of octane contains 14,031,260,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of octane. When you combust it, there is 16 times that number of molecules of CO2 produced.
    The bottom line is that an awful lot of CO2 is produced when you burn a gallon of octane.
    Ok, so much for burning hydrocarbons. Now onto the climate; NOAA, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration has been measuring the climatic information since 1807. NOAA monitors CO2 in the atmosphere and the temperature. They noted that there was a strong correspondence between the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere and a rise in global temperature. They also noted that the amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere started to rise with the increased use of hydrocarbons (such as octane).
    If you follow the graph in my first post, you will find a graph put out by NOAA showing the temperature over the year compared with the seasonal average. For Oklahoma City, the average daily temperature has been generally above average.
    My point is that there are facts and figures pointing to an increase of average temperature that has corresponded with an increase in the burning of hydrocarbons. I know that a correspondence (Correlation). Does not imply causation, but statistical analysis can give a probability that the two are linked.
    The way that I see it Hugh, global warming is a fact born out of measurements. There is a strong argument that burning fossil fuels (hydrocarbons) are linked to this. I don’t see any strong argument being advanced by the opponents of global warming.
    If we don’t do anything, what’s the alternative?
  • Jim_Satterfield
    The problem with the claims by people like hugh is that in fact the numbers are out there. It's easy to find out. But of course they tend to only go to the denier sites and buy into what they say and completely ignore what the majority of climatologists and related scientists say. Heck, some of them even try to deny that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, a fact that has been known for well over a century.
  • maxbert
    Catastrophic, man-made global warming remains an unproven hypothesis. You want to fling a fortune at it? Fling your fortune, not mine.
  • Charlie
    This is the most vapid know-nothing essay I may ever have read. It's as if Mr Shaw is saying, "I'm in touch with what I learned in kindergarten... let's all be good do-bees. But I didn't pay much attention after that except to make sure I didn't get fleeced on the playground by the smart guys."
  • Ricorun
    maxbert: Catastrophic, man-made global warming remains an unproven hypothesis. You want to fling a fortune at it? Fling your fortune, not mine.

    Actually, study after study (e.g., the CBO, the DOE, the Center for American Progress, the McKinsey Group, etc.) have indicated that there is no reason to believe you need to fling a fortune at it.
  • irwinbaker
    I don't care what the temperature was here yesterday in Grand Rapids (a record low for July.)
    I just want truth.
    I know a record low temp. doesn't mean "Global Warming" doesn't exist.
    Who's got it? Where is the explanation? ("Global Temperatures overall are rising,")
    Is it just that climate varies all over the place, and to infer any long term trends from periodic variations and localized trends means that you don't know much.

    To "know" a lot from limited information means that you know very little.

    Best,
    IrwinB
  • rlhailssrpe
    I have engineered a score of nuclear power plants, two score fossil power plants and spent a decade assessing advacned technology, mostly in material science and energy. From my background, I am certain that modern society can not survive without combustion. All alternative "green" energy technologies cost far more to provide energy. If major nations eschew combustion, they will not survive in competition with those who exploit it.
    To me, the risk decision comes down to this: do we risk the climate in our grandchildren's lives, or risk condemning them to a pre industrial standard of living, not unlike present day aborgines by lossing the industrial revolution. Combustion is its bedrock technology. I am not a climatologist, but read deeply on the subject, both pro (e.g. UN reports) and con (e.g. denier reports). The primary heat sources to our planet are the sun, and radioactivity. The primary heat trap to our atmosphere are clouds; they also reflect solar energy, a poorly understood buffering effect. Note the plume flowing from those curveous cooling towers; they are clouds, the largest man can make, perhaps a block long. Compare them to one weather front, clouds which span a continent.
    I conclude it is either hubris, an anti-technology semi religion, or anti western life philosophy, which drives millions of psuedo experts to arrest the freedom of others to use fire. Their goal: to prevent some future eschatological evil. We now suffer Democartic science or Republican science. Science means to know. We do not know and risk diaster.
  • Ricorun
    irwinbaker: ...to infer any long term trends from periodic variations and localized trends means that you don't know much.

    That's certainly true, and well recognized among serious climate scientists. But that is exactly the favorite strategy among climate skeptics who have been arguing that "global warming is over".

    Interestingly, Joe Romm of Climate Progress recently posted an article entitled, "NCDC: Second hottest June on record — and once El Nino really kicks in, expect global temperatures “to threaten previous record highs” in which he made a comment similar to my first one on this thread: "And no, I don’t think the monthly data tell us much about the climate. But I know reporting it annoys the deniers."

    Again, I would say Nate Silver probably knows it, too. I further suspect that's exactly the point. Plus, he gets to make a little money in the process of embarrassing skeptics -- assuming any of them are dumb and/or deluded enough to take him up on his bet, lol! At any rate, his ain't no crap shoot.
  • Ricorun
    rlhailssrpe: From my background, I am certain that modern society can not survive without combustion.

    Would it be too much to ask for you to supply some actual data, rather than exclusively appealing to your own personal authority?
  • irwinbaker
    Thanks for your reply.
    I'm a skeptic; I'm not a scientist.
    Skeptics get a bad name, like we don't know anything. We're just mindless "Deniers."
    No.
    If you have evidence, convince us. We can follow complex arguments. Most of us are kinda smart.
    If you want to be like Barbara Boxer and talk about how this is all about "Clean Energy," then you are talking way below my point of reference. This is much more than that, and she knows it.
    If you want to get REAL, then let's go to it.
    Best,
    IrwinB
  • irwinbaker
    Finally, an "expert."
    And, I have to say, "rlhailssrpe," I trust you about as much as any teenaged kid on facebook.
    IrwinB
  • irwinbaker
    Explain
  • irwinbaker
    You got a bunch more people more smarter than me. I passed your test. Goodbye.
  • irwinbaker
    I'm waiting...
  • irwinbaker
    "Disqus"
    I can't argue with anything you say nor the conviction with which you say it.

    Keep it up!

    Best,
    IrwinB
  • rlhailssrpe
    I would suggest reading histories of the industrial revolution, the associated relative increases in populations, population densities, and life expectancies, between the industrialized nations and non developed nations, the history of electrification of the United States, and its impact on our standard of living, (e.g. TVA, REA), the development of electrical metal smelting, and its societal impact, and the development of the internal combustion engine. Looking forward, I suggest sources such as reports from MIT's Sloan Automotive Lab. They, and others, judge that the internal combustion engine will be a dominant propulsion technology during the foreseeable 21th century. The coming advances center on computer control, and material improvements. The improvements will come in thermal efficiency, increased energy/power densities, and result in lower life cycle costs, if green house gas emission costs are set to zero.

    In summary, from an prime energy balance - direct cost viewpoint, and national load consideration, there are no dominant energy technologies that will not exploit combustion or fission for at least one or two generations. If green house emissions are significantly dangerous to mankind (extremely high albeit poorly defined costs), there are no known, workable technologies, on "a hard dollar basis", which can supplant these two base loaded technologies. Many have been looking, since circa WWII. There are possibilities, no clear winners, but many false starts and dead ends. Beware of any technology whose proponents claim it is 5 - 10 years from a killer app. Some, e.g. fuel cell spokesmen, claimed this in 1955.

    I have done my homework for forty five years. The US faces a hard landing, or a hard landing if we eschew these technologies. The facts are public record. All are invited to study. How many read IEEE, or ASME engineering reports? Do you know a Professional Engineer? What does he think? If we get it wrong, America may cease to exist. That, not climate change, is my personal fear.

    I ignore puerile responders; you may not live long enough to learn the answer.
  • irwinbaker
    Discus,

    So, explain "El Nino" or "la nina," and what it means to overall Climate change?

    I'm surprised that so few "Experts" know what ocean currents mean.

    Best,
    IrwinB

    Go ahead.... I'm on line and waiting ....
  • irwinbaker
    This is 15 minutes...
    Wikipedia doesn't give you a good answer?
    IrwinB
  • irwinbaker
    Best,
    IrwinB
  • irwinbaker
    El Nino - La Nina?
    I'm waiting.

    I know... I'm an A-Hole. But you started it. What Choo Got?

    IrwinB
  • irwinbaker
    "irwinbaker: ...to infer any long term trends from periodic variations and localized trends means that you don't know much. "

    Did I say That?! What a smart guy I am!

    I'm just trying to say that all of this current argument about "Global Warming" or "Climate Change" or Clean Energy," as Barbara Boxer likes to call it, is simply BS.

    There is no such thing as a "postive energy machine."

    Best,
    IrwinB
  • DLS
    Sadly, this "global warming" concept has developed "legs" and is a great political weapon to use on the susceptible.
  • Ricorun
    irwinbaker, you're obviously a nut. 'Nuff said about that.

    rlhailssrpe: I would suggest reading histories of the industrial revolution, the associated relative increases in populations, population densities, and life expectancies, between the industrialized nations and non developed nations, the history of electrification of the United States, and its impact on our standard of living, (e.g. TVA, REA), the development of electrical metal smelting, and its societal impact, and the development of the internal combustion engine.

    Why? What purpose would it serve other than looking backward?

    Looking forward, I suggest sources such as reports from MIT's Sloan Automotive Lab. They, and others, judge that the internal combustion engine will be a dominant propulsion technology during the foreseeable 21th century.

    Okay, now we're talkin'! Here is a list of recent reports, publications, etc., from the Sloan Automotive Lab on the topic of "Fueling our Transportation Future". Which ones would you like me to read? Are there others? Also, if I recommend articles for you to read, will you?

    Finally, can we agree that the solutions currently available for transportation energy are different than the solutions currently available for stationary (i.e., more or less "grid") energy?

    For the record, and quite apart from whether it impacts any of the above, I don't understand your comment, "In summary, from an prime energy balance - direct cost viewpoint, and national load consideration, there are no dominant energy technologies that will not exploit combustion or fission for at least one or two generations." Perhaps it was not well-stated, but as it stands it makes no sense. More to the point, it sounds like gobbledygook.

    Also for the record, I respectfully ask you not to try to talk down to me, or impress me with your "knowledge" in the absence of any evidence. That just won't work. And I would never do that to you.
  • tloffman
    The "mean" temperature is actually not computed by taking 24 individual hourly temperatures and averaging them. It's actually the mid point between the daily high and daily low.

    "Mean", or average, US and world temperatures have been rising at approximately 1.5 degrees F over the past 100 years. Almost all temperature measuring sites are located in, or near, cities and airports. So, the effects of the "urban heat island" are certainly contributing to this rise in temperature. The "effect" occurs mostly at night, because urban environments reduce evaporative cooling, by paving over what once was grassland and forests. If you have a thermometer on your car, just drive a few miles from a paved environment out into the country on a night with light winds and notice the difference in temperature. It can be 5-15 degrees! So, how much of this 1.5 degrees of warming is really "global warming" and how much of it is caused by concrete and macadam?

    It would be better to talk about average daily HIGH temperatures and not MEAN temperatures. During the day the urban effect is much less of a factor because of mixing in the lower atmosphere. So, be skeptical when looking at statistics for "mean" or average temperatures.

    It should also be noted that the rise of global surface temperatures occurred after about 1750, coincident with the industrial revolution, but also exactly coincident with the rise in solar activity after the minimum of sunspots that also occurred in the 18th century, the so-called "Maunder Minimum". So, there are many questions about the validity of the data.

    The entire debate about the future of climate is based on the projections of the climate models. So, the real question is: what have the models predicted in the past about our current climate, and how accurate have those models been? In other words, if a meteorologist predicts rain tomorrow, and he/she has a good record of accuracy, then bring your umbrella. If the forecaster is usually wrong, then it's anybody's guess. What matters in forecasting is verification. And, this applies to weather, as well as economic or political forecasting.
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