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A Glimpse into the Conservative Mind: Michael Scheuer and the Desire for Another Terrorist Attack on America

Maybe you read about it at Crooks and Liars (which has the video), maybe you heard about last night on The Daily Show. Here’s what Michael Scheuer told Glenn Beck, crazy meets crazy, on Tuesday:

The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States. Because it’s going to take a grass-roots, bottom-up pressure. Because these politicians prize their office, prize the praise of the media and the Europeans. It’s an absurd situation again. Only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively, consistently, and with as much violence as necessary.

Insane. On so many levels.

First, who exactly desires the praise of Europeans? Obama? I’m sure he wants Europe to like him — and to like America (and what’s wrong with that? isn’t in America’s best interests to have Europe as an ally? — but it’s crazy to suggest that somehow “these politicians” (and again, who?) — are driven primarily by a concern for Europe.

Second, who are “the media” and “the Europeans”? Are all media the same? Does “the media” include Politico, Fox News, and The Wall Street Journal, three leading media outlets that also happen to lean to the right? And is Europe just some monolith of monotony? Crazy on both counts.

Third — okay, I was just putting it off, here’s the key point — what the %#@&?

You know, sometimes you just have to thank whatever god or gods you happen to believe in, or, if no god, just thank you lucky stars, when a conservative comes out and tells it like it is.

Because isn’t that what Scheuer did?

Now, look, I’m not saying all conservatives are hoping for a massive terrorist attack on the U.S. I hope that most aren’t — and I’m sure the more sane among them aren’t.

But what’s clear is that conservatives like Scheuer — and there are many of them (neocons, mostly, but not only), — promote a Cheney-esque national security agenda that is, at its core, violent.

Consider how Scheuer put it: “with as much violence as necessary.” What does that mean? It means, presumably, an agressive, warmongering foreign policy and an agressive, repressive domestic policy. It means war abroad but also a trampling of the Constitution at home. It means an executive branch, and a president specifically, liberated from any and all checks and balances. It means domestic surveillance without checks. It means torture. It means, essentially, a police state. Actually, what it means is fascism (and I don’t use that word lightly). And you’d be correct to find in Scheuer’s words the very justification for oppression that has underpinned authoritarian and totalitarian regimes throughout history: An enemy is upon us; therefore, we crack down.

The problem is, try as they might, these conservatives can’t get what they want just by scaring up an enemy. 9/11 provided the basis for the Bush Administration’s crackdown, but, alas, 9/11 has receded into memory, and, well, Americans still cherish their liberties.

So what Scheuer and his ilk need, if they are to be successful in achieving their fascistic aims, is not just another attack but a major attack, an attack with “a major weapon” — a nuclear attack, a biological or chemical attack, something much bigger than 9/11, something that would scare the people into submission.

This is clearly what they think they need, and — yes, thank you — Scheuer admitted it. It’s rare to get such a far-reaching glimpse into the conservative mind.

And it is possible that, in the event of such an attack, the people would willingly give up their liberties and allow a fascistic cabal to rule them. Something as massive as a nuclear attack would surely turn America upside-down. I wouldn’t put it past them.

I don’t know, though. Sometimes I’m optimistic about the indomitable spirit of the American people — the spirit that was on display throughout Obama’s presidential campaign and on election night, sometimes not so much. It could go either way.

But back to the point at hand: Conservatives (and Republicans generally) claim that liberals (and Democrats) are weak on national security, that their policies weaken America and open her up to attack. And yet, conservatives, not liberals, are openly wishing for another attack. Which begs the question: Do these conservatives actually want to protect Americans, or, rather, do they simply want power, the unified, fascistic power of a police state?

I’ll go with the latter.

(Cross-posted from The Reaction.)

  • DLS
    Kathy commits all kinds of blunders driven by her disdain for righties, but she's not psychotic like you.

    "Insane" -- truly reflective mirror talk. Insane hatred, for starters...
  • StockBoySF
    Scheuer is living in the glory days of the past, when the Republicans were in the White House and had control of the biggest guns in the world, allowing them to shoot anyone they wanted to into submission. Though as we've seen it doesn't quite work like that, whether we're fighting terrorists or invading countries.
  • Silhouette
    Whenever Cheney gets desperate, Osama Bin Laden pops up out of that hole that the [still Cheney-controlled CIA] just "cannot" seem to find him in.

    You can set your watch by it.

    And it makes me wonder... Bush's financial ties with the Bin Laden family is like the cherry on top of the "I wonder" sundae. Two parts "get american to hate a single man and his group", One part "illegally invade "his" country of influence [Iraq] and a scoop of "takeover that country's prized resource.", which just happens to be the business to which Bush and Bin Laden's were in together: BigOil...

    So, if "Bin Laden" strikes again, I will first suspect Dick Cheney. It isn't pretzel logic when you follow the breadcrumbs..
  • jwest
    Could someone be more obtuse or disingenuous than Michael?

    I can’t see how.

    Update: Michael is in competition with Mike Allen at Politico. Listen to the audio:

    http://hotair.com/archives/2009/07/01/audio-joh...
  • Father_Time
    Absolutely bizarre. This is the face of our failed intelligence community revealed.
  • shannonlee
    Many neo-cons, notably Cheney, have an "ends justifies the means" mentality. When coupled with their extreme belief in their own ideology, love for their country, and disdain for dissenting opinion, you get a perfect storm of insanity that accepts a certain level of American collateral damage for the sake of the greater world and America that they envision.
  • jwest
    Perhaps the forum of TMV is responsible for the folie a deux of Kathy and Michael.
  • jwest
    Shannon,

    Dick Cheney and I both know that there are things that need to be done for the sake of world peace.

    “I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed, but I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops, uh, depending on the breaks.”

    Hey, sometimes you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet.
  • DLS
    "Perhaps the forum of TMV is responsible for the folie a deux of Kathy and Michael."

    TIC -- The Immoderate Couple

    (Kathy is the saner member.)
  • DLS
    "Many neo-cons, notably Cheney, have an 'ends justifies the means' mentality. When coupled with their extreme belief in their own ideology, love for their country, and disdain for dissenting opinion, you get a perfect storm of insanity that accepts a certain level of American collateral damage for the sake of the greater world and America that they envision."

    Actually, you're describing those on the Left and notably on the farther Left, if you honestly omit "love for their country." In fact, we're seeing exactly what you describe, about the Left, with the current extremism related to the environment and "global warming," and the development of a similar syndrome with health care, as we're already seeing and hearing (not only with the Dems' remarks in Washington but with hype and misleading advertising about the health care "crisis" [sic] and necessary government solution NOW!).
  • lurxst
    I wonder what Scheuer really meant with his comments, since to some TMV commenters they don't mean what he said. Is there anyone here who can translate Neocon into Moderate?
  • shannonlee
    DLS:
    Agreed, both sides have their fair share of extremists. Sadly, one group actually managed to gain control of the government for about 6 years.
  • Father_Time
    I didn't know that love of country meant that we should minimize our concerns about our military killing people as, "collateral damage", related to their work in defending us.

    Never mind you call me inhuman, God Forbid you call me anti-American!
  • AustinRoth
    one group actually managed to gain control of the government for about 6 years.

    And the other is now in control. The early word is not good on them either, unless you like econimic depressions and socialization/nationalization.
  • Perfect. Our right-tilting commenters again circle the wagons around even the most extreme statements by their fringe. Thank you. Keep assuring independents that these outrageous statements echo the sentiments of the GOP mainstream (are you guys that?) or that instead of saying "that's not us. We hate that kind of irresponsible rhetoric" you say "oh Kathy is bad. Oh Michael is bad. You think THIS is bad, look what Democrats say."

    Yep. Keep reminding America what you are about. I totally love it.
  • jwest
    Here is a glimpse inside the conservative mind:

    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/289253.php
  • Uh, hate to burst your preconceived notions, but Michael Sheuer is not a neoconservative.

    In fact, Michael Scheuer has actually been rather antagonistic towards neoconservatives. He was extremely critical of the Iraq War (going to far as to write columns for www.antiwar.com). He was also very critical of what he perceives as the "Israel Lobby", exactly the OPPOSITE of what one would expect of a neoconservative.

    I don't know what his exact politics are, but he strikes me as a paleoconservative.

    I'm not saying that I agree with the views he expressed on Glenn Beck's show. I'm just pointing out the silliness of those on the Left who, in knee-jerk fashion, criticize anyone on the Right as being "neoconservative."

    Words have meanings. We ought to understand what the terms "liberal" and "conservative" and "neoconservative" actually mean before assigning these labels to people.
  • CStanley
    FWIW, I thought it was a pretty irresponsible way of making his point, but the point seemed to be that he feels the political class in our country has abandoned their responsibilities to the nation in favor of supporting their own political careers, and that the public needs to wake up to it. I'm guessing he was probably using hyperbole to make that point (that only something really drastic gets the public's attention), but even so it was a pretty stupid way of saying that IMO.
  • shannonlee
    The article refers to him as conservative, but not a neo-con.

    "But what’s clear is that conservatives like Scheuer — and there are many of them (neocons, mostly, but not only), — promote a Cheney-esque national security agenda that is, at its core, violent."
  • Here's the neocon position, from the Project for a New American Century:

    "PNAC says that what was needed for America to dominate much of humanity and the world’s resources, was "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The attacks of September 11, 2001 provided the "new Pearl Harbor", described as "the opportunity of ages". The Project for the New American Century was formed, along with the American Enterprise Institute, the Hudson Institute and others that have since merge the ambitions of the Reagan administration with those of the current Bush regime. Time and again, September 11 is described as an "opportunity". It provided the necessary catalyst to put the global war plan into effect. Congress quickly allocated $40 billion to fund the "war on terrorism" shortly after September 11. Condoleezze Rice said she had called together senior members of the National Security County and asked them "to think about ‘how do you capitalize on these opportunities, which she compared with those of "1945 to 1947"; the start of the cold war. "

    Sounds like Scheuer thinks we need ANOTHER "new Pearl Harbor." Meshes 100% with the neocon perspective represented by PNAC. Who is PNAC? - Paul Wolfowitz, Bush's Deputy Defense Secretary. John Bolton, Bush's Undersecretary of State. Stephen Cambone, Bush's head of the Pentagon’s Office of Program, Analysis and Evaluation. Eliot Cohen a member of the Defense Policy Board, which advised Rumsfeld. Devon Cross a member of the Defense Policy Board, which advised Rumsfeld. I. Lewis Libby Chief of Staff to Bush's Vice President Dick Cheney. Dov Zakheim, Bush's Comptroller for the Defense Department. Vice-President Dick Cheney , Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, William J. Bennett (Reagan’s former Education Secretary), and Zalmay Khalilzad (Bush’s Ambassador to Afghanistan).
  • lurxst
    I was the one who referred to Scheuer's comments as being Neocon, and I may have been off with regards to how conservatives view the different idealogical divisions within their idealogical division. Was it just hyperbole, as some have stated? I notice that there hasn't been any attempt by Fox News or Glenn Beck to clarify Scheuer's commentary, so I take it they accept it at face value. That is extremely scary.
  • Sounds like Scheuer thinks we need ANOTHER "new Pearl Harbor." Meshes 100% with the neocon perspective represented by PNAC.

    GreenDreams,

    If you don't believe my words, then consider Scheuer's own words. Back in 2007, he wrote an op-ed in the Washington Post in which he criticized George Tenet but also had some rather unflattering things to say about neoconservatives:

    Tenet's attacks focus instead on the walking dead, politically speaking: the glowering and unpopular Cheney; the hapless Rice; the band of irretrievably discredited bumblers who used to run the Pentagon, Donald H. Rumsfeld, Paul D. Wolfowitz and Douglas J. Feith; their neoconservative acolytes such as Richard Perle; and the die-hard geopolitical fantasists at the Weekly Standard and National Review.

    Or consider his September 2007 www.antiwar.com article Why Does Norman Podheretz Hate America? in which he wrote:

    Podhoretz hates every American who does not support the neoconservatives' views, the foreign policy they have devised, and the military and national security disasters to which they are leading America

    Podhoretz is particularly vicious toward Buchanan because he knows that Buchanan sees through the neoconservative fantasy with the most unrelenting acuity.

    But Podhoretz does not care about understanding the enemy's real motivation and attributes in order to annihilate him as quickly as possible. By using the term Islamofascist he seeks only to block any debate on the neoconservative agenda by ensuring that its critics are identified as pro-fascist, therefore anti-American, therefore pro-Nazi, and therefore anti-Semitic. Other notable men have described this tactic as the Big Lie, and it is a neocon specialty and trademark.

    This smug attitude does capture in a nutshell, however, a good part of the basic un-Americanism of the neoconservatives; they are a foreign and, I think, malign influence in our body politic.


    I rest my case.
  • Well, I didn't say he loves neocons. I said his comment echos the sentiment of neocons, which it does.
  • I would submit that Michael's title "A Glimpse into the Conservative Mind: Michael Scheuer and the Desire for Another Terrorist Attack on America" is misleading and needlessly antagonistic towards conservatives.

    For one thing, I don't think Scheuer was actually stating his desire that America be attacked. It seems to me that he was simply saying that another terrorist attack was only plausible scenario in which he envisioned Democrats and Republicans in congress ending their political squabbling and doing the right thing for the country.

    Secondary, this usage of one or two cases to brand an entire portion of the political spectrum is something I find quite concerning.

    Consider, for instance, Republican Congressman Ron Paul and Weekly Standard Editor William Kristol. Both consider themselves to be "conservatives" and members of the "political right." Yet, in terms of foreign policy, the two could not be more ideologically opposed to one another.

    Ron Paul is a libertarian (albeit with conservative leanings) who opposes foreign adventurism and nation-building and spoke out more forcefully against the Iraq War than just about anyone in Congress.

    William Kristol, on the other hand, is a neoconservative who sees America as a "benevolent hegemon" in the world arena and was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the Iraq War.

    There are also Paleoconservatives, such as Patrick Buchanan, who toe the conservative line on numerous domestic issues but who spoke out against neoconservatism and the Iraq War.

    Then there are people like Glenn Beck, a "conservative" who doesn't seem to know what he believes in--vociferously supporting Bush and the Iraq War when it was going well and then reluctantly criticizing Bush and the Iraq War only after it became painfully obvious that the war wasn't going that well and not serving America's interests.

    Terms like "liberal" and "conservative" have become so confusing and so meaningless in modern discourse that resorting to blanket criticism of "liberals" and/or "conservatives" without any modifiers explaining just who it is that we're criticizing only further sullies our debates.

    Fiscal progressives are not the same as social liberals.
    Fiscal conservatives are not the same as social conservatives.
    Paleoconservatives are not the same as neoconservatives.
    The Antiwar Movement is not the same as "the Left."
    Libertarianism is not the same as "the Right."

    I hate to be a stickler for political nuance. Politics would be a lot simpler if it were simply black-white, left-right. But it isn't.
  • Rudi
    NR - I read Reason all the time and enjoy a good libertarian discussion. But Beck is now claiming he's really a libertarian.
    http://orangepunch.freedomblogging.com/2009/01/...
    http://libertymaven.com/2008/08/08/glenn-beck-o...
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig8/ashton1.html
    http://westernstandard.blogs.com/shotgun/2009/0...
    Glenn Beck the new libertarian says: The U.S. is about to devalue the currency like crazy

    Glenn Beck got a show on Fox News, and announced that he's dropping the "conservative" label, and calling himself a "libertarian instead. Given the economic crisis, I'm not surprised by his sudden aversion for all things government, and libertarians are the staunchest defenders of individual liberty against the state out there. Whether it's big government conservatism, or big government liberalism, the common problem is the same: the big government part.
  • sapri
    When will TMV have a real discussion on free speech? I hope the time is now; we are, as a nation on the brink of violence that will destroy our country. How can we sit by and do nothing about the extreme language being spewed from some news outlets. Show host and guest hint, no, not hint, but come strait out with comments about assassinations, murder, the over throwing the established democracy that has kept our country free from civil war for 150 years and attacking elected officials with rhetoric that calls for their destruction. This is beyond freedom of speech, and we must address these issues now, or we will all be guilty for what will surely happen. It is not entertainment; it is pure hateful propaganda that will drive America into the ground. Please start the discussion now.
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