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Regional Democracy At Work

The member nations of the Organization of American States came together in a closed-door all-night emergency session today in Washington, D.C. that resulted in the Honduran government being given three days to restore Pres. Manuel Zelaya to his rightful position as Honduras’s democratically elected leader, or face the possibility of having the country’s membership in the OAS suspended:

Calling Mr. Zelaya’s overthrow an “old-fashioned coup,” the organization’s secretary general, Jose Miguel Insulza, said: “We need to show clearly that military coups will not be accepted. We thought we were in an era when military coups were no longer possible in this hemisphere.”

Diplomats said they had rarely seen the O.A.S. unite so solidly behind a common cause, and that it was the first time the group had invoked its so-called Democratic Charter since it was adopted in 2001 as a clean break with the region’s history of authoritarian rule.

The charter calls on the organization to take emergency diplomatic efforts aimed at restoring a legitimately elected government and provides for a nation to be suspended if those efforts fail.

The United States, unlike the other members of the OAS, has not recalled its ambassador in Honduras, and is resisting calls from other member nations for economic sanctions, on the grounds that they would cause further suffering and harm to the Honduran people. However, “A spokesman for the United States Southern Command said that the American military had suspended joint operations with Honduras, a country with which it has long had strong military ties.”

Roberto Micheletti, the Honduran Congress’s interim replacement for Pres. Zelaya, responded defiantly to the OAS meeting and the outrage that’s been expressed by countries around the world at the military coup:

Mr. Zelaya “has already committed crimes against the Constitution and the law,” Mr. Micheletti told The Associated Press in an interview late Tuesday. “He can no longer return to the presidency of the republic unless a president from another Latin American country comes and imposes him using guns.”

Quite an ironic choice of words, I’d say.

Even the Wall Street Journal, which has taken a strongly sympathetic stance toward the point of view of Zelaya’s political opponents, acknowledges that using the military to force him, at gunpoint, out of bed, into a waiting car, and onto a plane to be exiled from the country — in a region filled with nightmarish memories of violent military coups and subsequent reigns of terror — was a massive overreaction and, to say the very least, not helpful (bolds and bracketed itals are mine):

The situation is messy, and we think the Hondurans would have been smarter — and better off — not sending Mr. Zelaya into exile at dawn. Mr. Zelaya was pressing ahead with a nonbinding referendum to demand a constitutional rewrite to let him seek a second four-year term [which, as several online commentators have pointed out, he would not have been able to accomplish, given the question the referendum was asking Hondurans to say yes or no to, and the time he had remaining in office]. The attorney general and Honduran courts declared the vote illegal and warned he’d be prosecuted if he followed through. Mr. Zelaya persisted, even leading a violent mob [the WSJ has not provided any support for the "violent mob" characterization, and other news sources, to my knowledge, do not support it] last week to seize and distribute ballots imported from Venezuela. However, the proper constitutional route was to impeach Mr. Zelaya and then arrest him for violating the law.

It’s not at all clear that Zelaya did violate the law, since all he attempted to do was ask Honduran voters if they wanted, or did not want, to convene a constitutional assembly for the purpose of possibly changing the provision in the Constitution that barred re-election. The voters were not even being asked to say whether they wanted the term limits provision to be changed — only whether they wanted to see a constitutional assembly examine the possibility of changing that provision.

However, the editorial certainly hits the mark when it says, or suggests, that the actions taken by Honduras’s military with regard to Pres. Zelaya did not follow legitimate constitutional procedures.

  • keelaay
    Easy. Stay out of it. Not our business. Its their constitution, their consequences, their country. Last I checked, Honduras is a sovereign state. The US has no right to intervene in their political upheavals and US citizens have no basis to pass judgment (as we individually and collectively have little to no understanding or knowledge of Honduran "democracy" or their constitutional system). Ms Kattenburg - I trust you have personal knowledge of the Honduran constitutional system. What "legitimate constitutional procedures" are you referencing? Those of the United Sates or those of Honduras? I have recently done business in Honduras --- but I am reluctant to chime in on so complex a national issue from so far a non-vantage point. Sorry for the negative tone, but I believe that both our liberal and conservative knee jerk judgments and interventionism share the blame for immersing the US into a lot of ugly troubles over the years. Not to mention the human price of our adventures into the politics of sovereign states. Let the Hondurans work this out... for they will bear the consequences either way.
  • EEllis
    "It’s not at all clear that Zelaya did violate the law,"

    I guess I'm just simple in that the Honduran Supreme Court saying he did violate the constitution not to mention violating without a doubt the new law passed outlawing any referendum so close to a election. So he obviously violated the new law and since it's hard to see your opinion on the Honduran Constitution mattering more than the Honduran Supreme Court. Also you continue to fail to indicate that there doesn't seem to any unilateral actions taken by the military.

    Now they need a more official way of impeaching or removing a president then they now have. That is clear. Regardless of how I feel about the legality it's obviously a public relations nightmare and raised the specter of a military coup. That can't be good. I also wonder if as bad as it might be, it's still not better than the possible consequences of leaving Zelaya in power. In a few months they will have a new election and it's hard to see how anyone will still be able to continue action against Honduras at that point. Pres Zelaya would of been gone, the interim Pres has already said he wont be running, the new Pres will be elected the same as he would of been if nothing happened (unless Zelaya majorly interfered with the legal process). So what then?

    Me I would hold fast and refuse thinking that would be the safest (assuming they believe the threat of Zelaya is and was real and serious) way to go.
  • Father_Time
    Venezuela and Cuba should invade from the sea and Nicaragua from the South. This liberation should continue all the way to the Rio Grand putting and end to Central American corrupt states. We should stay out of it of course, but we could donate Texas as a gesture of good will.
  • DaGoat
    Obama should use the same approach he used to Iran's internal politics - stay out of it. As with Iran he is going to have to work with whoever is president of Honduras, and there is no reason to galvanize the Honduran people by taking sides.
  • kathykattenburg
    Obama should use the same approach he used to Iran's internal politics - stay out of it.

    DaGoat, I am going to hold on to this comment and show it to you again when you tell us, in the context of a future conflict, that different countries require different approaches.
  • DaGoat
    That's great Kathy, you've decided to look at this in the context of winning some future comments discussion instead of looking at the issue itself. Why is appropriate to meddle in Honduran internal affairs and override the decision of their Congress and Supreme Court?
  • DLS
    Leftist neurosis and obscession about this event is disheartening (also inexcuseable, but it's here. [shrug]).

    I'm also surprised that Father Time would be so short-sighted as to spare the USA from similar "liberation" that so many lefties would want, albeit more commonly imposed from within Washington instead of at the hands of others. (Plus the beloved Soviet Union is no more.)
  • kathykattenburg
    you've decided to look at this in the context of winning some future comments discussion instead of looking at the issue itself.

    Who is it who is not looking at the issue, DaGoat? If you were looking at the issue, you would not be pretending that Iran and Honduras are the same country with the same history, the same political realities, the same strategic and historic relationship with the United States. If you were actually looking at the issue of what's happened in Honduras and what the U.S. response to it should be, you would not be pretending that you believe the United States should have a "fine with us, no problem" foreign policy because to express concern, opposition, or disapproval would be "meddling in the internal affairs of another country."

    And I say "pretending" because I know you don't actually believe that U.S. foreign policy should be identical all over the globe, but you are pretending that you do. And because I know that your real reason for carrying out this pretense is because Velaya is a leftist, supported by other leftist leaders in the region, and Velaya's political opponents in the Honduran government are conservative or right-wing. If it's against a leftist, then it's perfectly democratic and legal, and not a coup.
  • DaGoat
    And I say "pretending" because I know you don't actually believe that U.S. foreign policy should be identical all over the globe, but you are pretending that you do. And because I know that your real reason for carrying out this pretense is because Velaya is a leftist, supported by other leftist leaders in the region, and Velaya's political opponents in the Honduran government are conservative or right-wing. If it's against a leftist, then it's perfectly democratic and legal, and not a coup.

    Your comments are approaching paranoia, Kathy. Unlike many conservatives I thought Obama was right not to choose sides in Iran, although I did criticize him for not speaking out more strongly against the violence. I also complimented him when he finally did speak out more forcefully. If this is all left-hating on my part why did I do that? Just to fake you out?

    Now I think Obama is wrong for taking sides with Honduras for the same reasons I thought he was right with Iran. While I think the use of the military was improper and overdone, as far as I can tell the decisions of the Congress and Supreme Court were legal. I honestly don't know whether the interim president is any less of a leftist than Zelaya (since you're upset I'm guessing he's not a leftist), but that's not relevant to the issue on whether Zelaya was legitimately removed.

    It is possible to try and look at issues without checking your party's position first.
  • kathykattenburg
    I honestly don't know whether the interim president is any less of a leftist than Zelaya (since you're upset I'm guessing he's not a leftist), but that's not relevant to the issue on whether Zelaya was legitimately removed.

    It's certainly relevant to most of the people -- bloggers, readers, media pundits, etc. -- who are saying that overthrowing Zelaya and exiling him was the correct thing to do. However, if you mean it shouldn't be relevant, that's another thing.

    The phrase "legitimately removed" is problematic because that word, "legitimate," has several different nuances of meaning -- it is not necessarily synonymous with "legal." For example, the final result of the 2000 U.S. presidential election was reached via a legal process, but the result, in my view and the view of many other Americans, was not at all legitimate -- it was a political outcome, and one in which the U.S. Supreme Court should never have involved itself. And no, I'm not trying to start a side argument; I'm simply using this as an example to explain why I cannot and do not agree with the assertion that Zelaya was "legitimately removed.

    What are the consequences provided by the Honduran constitution for the president having a difference of opinion with Congress and the Supreme Court over whether it is permissible to ask the Honduran people, via nonbinding ballot initiative, whether they agree to convene a constitutional assembly to explore the possibility of amending the part of the Constitution that deals with term limits? Let's set aside the issue of whether doing such is a heinous constitutional offense, or a perfectly acceptable thing to do in a democracy. What are the prescribed consequences under the Honduran constitution?

    If you tell me that the prescribed consequences for doing the above are having the Supreme Court order the military to enter the presidential palace by force, wake the sleeping president and force him to leave the palace, get in a car, be driven to the airport, and then flown permanently out of the country, I'm going to say I very much doubt that.
  • kathykattenburg
    Oh, and also: Pres. Obama most definitely did not "take sides" in the Honduran coup. He said, "It would be a terrible precedent if we start moving backwards into the era in which we are seeing military coups as a means of political transition, rather than democratic elections." He said "he would work with the Organization of American States and other international institutions to restore Zelaya to power and 'see if we can resolve this in a peaceful way.' "

    He expressed no preference for either Zelaya's administration or for his political opponents. He said only that political differences between the two should be resolved peacefully, in democratic elections, NOT by military force.

    This is similar to the approach he used with Iran, in which he expressed no preference for the dissenters' point of view over the current government of Iran, but merely said that violence was not an appropriate way to resolve the conflict and that people everywhere and anywhere had the right to non-violently protest government policies.
  • EEllis
    And Clintons reponse? The "isolation" that Obama's admin has promised? That is hardly "no preference", and the claim that it does borders on the absurd.
  • What, in the name of the political gods, is a "regional democracy"?

    And then there's this:
    "I know that your real reason for carrying out this pretense is because Velaya is a leftist, supported by other leftist leaders in the region, and Velaya's political opponents in the Honduran government are conservative or right-wing. If it's against a leftist, then it's perfectly democratic and legal, and not a coup."

    Jeesum. I gotta agree with DaGoat: you're sounding really paranoid, Kathy.
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