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Obama Says He Will Keep Military Commissions

Pres. Obama says he wants to look to the future, not to the past. But how can we do that when he insists on continuing so many Bush-era policies?

President Obama has decided to keep the military commission system that his predecessor created to try suspected terrorists but will ask Congress to expand the rights of defendants to contest the charges against them, officials briefed on the plan said Thursday.

Mr. Obama will ask for an additional 120-day delay in nine pending hearings before commissions so the administration can revamp the procedures to provide more due process to detainees, the officials said. The new system would limit the use of hearsay, ban evidence gained from cruel treatment, give defendants more latitude to pick their own lawyers and provide more protection if they do not testify.

Spencer Ackerman asks a good question:

But then why continue the commissions at all? Isn’t the point of the commissions to restrict process, and allow a lower evidentiary standard, in order to obtain a conviction that might be somewhat harder to obtain in a civilian court?

It’s still a lower standard, though, even with those reforms — and that is indeed the point:

The government will try some Guantanamo detainees in federal courts, anonymous officials tell The Los Angeles Times, but administration officials “have concluded that some detainees can only be tried in military tribunals.”

As I wrote earlier this week, the only real reason for that is the desire to introduce evidence against the detainees that could not hold up in a federal court because it’s typically not reliable. That is, because it’s hearsay (or double or triple hearsay, as much of the evidence gathered by the CIA is); or because it was coerced from either the detainee himself, or from others subjected to coercive interrogations. …

Jonathan Turley calls Obama “Bush 2.0“:

… [The tribunals decision] follows Obama’s adoption of an even more extreme theory of executive privilege in court, the reversal of the decision to comply with a court order and turn over abuse photographs, the continuing effort to extinguish dozens of public interest lawsuits on privacy violations, and the proposed adoption of the Bush policy of holding detainees indefinitely without trial, here. In the meantime, he and Attorney General Eric Holder continue to block the appointment of a special prosecutor despite mounting evidence of war crimes committed by the prior administration. …

Glenn Greenwald gets to the heart of the problem with the decision to keep the tribunals, even with increased protections added in (emphasis is Glenn’s):

Let’s concede that if the U.S. is going to continue to try accused terrorists in newly-created military commissions — rather than under our normal, long-standing system of justice — then it is better to have more safeguards than fewer.  That’s just true by definition.  Let’s further concede that many of the past criticisms voiced about Bush’s military commissions, including some of Obama’s criticisms, focused on the specific rules of those commissions, some of which (though far from all) are addressed by Obama’s modifications, including the most important change that coerced statements are no longer admissible.  Nonetheless, the overwhelming bulk of the objections to what the Bush administration did was to the very idea of military commission themselves. The controversy — one of the most intense of the Bush era — was grounded in the argument that there was absolutely no reason, other than to pervert justice and enable easy and due-process-free convictions, to create a separate tribunal rather than use our extant judicial processes.

And now the world will be associating that taint with the Obama administration.

  • shannonlee
    We should be thanking Obama for keep the few good things that came out of the Bush Admin. We have to give these people trials....we can't just keep them jailed without charging and convicting them of something real.

    To the point of giving them US trials....I struggle with the public trial vs top secret information issue. Do we trust the military to give a fair trial? Do we trust congress to properly oversee these tribunals? All good questions. If the answer is yes, I don't think we need to worry about international opinion on these tribunals. I think the world just wants to see something done. And they love Obama anyway.
  • shannonlee,
    The trouble is that these aren't normal military tribunals. These commissions are something else entirely. It's another halfway step between traditional tribunals and battlefield justice.

    Basically, the Bush and Obama administrations have said that they can't convict these folks of terrorism under long established rules because they don't have the evidence. So instead of letting them go, or getting better evidence, they are lowering the bar.

    The government shouldn't be able to change the rules to make it easier for them anytime they want. That's dangerous.
  • There are plenty of judges with security clearance, so even IF any national secrets are involved, they can be handled under our world class justice system (not that world class is much of a standard <g>)

    Seriously, what national secrets could be revealed in such a trial? Do we think these prisoners are going to blurt out state secrets that the CIA told them in Gitmo? Or that they'll tell a jury things we couldn't even torture out of them? Cmon. What secrets could they possibly have that threatens us?

    Anyone?
  • AustinRoth
    If you simply look at all of Obama's actions and decisions through a filter that says, "what would an up-and-coming Left-wing dictator do", they all make sense and fit together.

    The funny thing is, I do not actually think he wants to be a Left-wing dictator, just establish a Socialist Democracy in place of a Republic. But his actions, as a whole, do fit the earlier pattern I describe.
  • 2 shockers in about as many days. First the refusal to release the terror photos and now this.

    Extreme individuals need to be brought to justice by any means necessary. The freedom which is afforded to all law-abiding citizens is a product of doing what might not be popular but what is right for the U.S. and its interests. If the ACLU attorneys always had their way we would live in anarchy. A nation of people with their own individually-decreed laws.

    Congrats Mr. President. You went 2 for 2 this week :)

    Ryan
  • jwest
    I’m beginning to think Obama may be as smart as George Bush…….

    Nah.
  • jchem
    jwest: "I’m beginning to think Obama may be as smart as George Bush……Nah"

    I know this thread is a day old now, jwest, but this one is a knee slapper. Perhaps you will get some colorful comments in reply.

    With regard to the post, perhaps Obama is reviving these tribunals because he needs to figure out a way to deal with the prisoners that are at Gitmo. Closing the place is one thing; doing something about the prisoners is quite another. If the senators are upset about this Bush-era policy, then perhaps they can take one for the team and ask Obama to send prisoners to their state. I'm sure the folks will cheer in unison with that move.
  • jwest
    jchem,

    By way of Protein Wisdom, I just read a great article on the difference between liberalism and leftism. Just the thing for the TMV crowd, but Gandelman would never give it a stand-alone article because it doesn’t attack Dick Cheney.

    Here it is:

    http://www.flowidealism.org/Community/mp-michae...
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