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On Torture

I don’t have a whole lot to add to the discussion of the torture memos that doesn’t echo what has already been said. Of the two debates currently taking place about the implications of the memos—one about whether preventing another terrorist attack justifies torture and another about whether or not to bring those responsible to justice—I am only really interested in the latter.

To borrow a quote from On Torture, a compilation of essays about torture that I’m currently reading: Ariel Dorfman writes that the moral and practical arguments against torture are myriad, but “I cannot bring myself to use them, for fear of honoring the debate by participating in it.” I’m not one to view the world in terms of black and white or refuse to hear opposing viewpoints, but I’m frankly not interested in debating “ticking time bomb” rationales for institutionalized cruelty. I’m with Shep Smith.

As for the second issue, whether to “move forward” or pursue potentially divisive prosecutions, I again borrow from On Torture, this time from an essay by Rebecca Wittmann:

There is a lesson to be learned here about the tendency, in democratic societies, to condemn only the most extreme perpetrators of violence and torture and to turn a blind eye to the system that created them. Why do we accept the message that the US government is horrified by these actions, when we have proof that they were deeply involved? Perhaps the problem lies with our inability to accept our own responsibility for bringing into office people capable of ordering such barbarities…

We desperately want to believe that the laws of our country are being defined, applied, and upheld in a humane and moral way—after all, the laws of a democratic society are supposed to and generally do reflect the will of the people—and we show this through our tacit acceptance of the decisions and pronouncements of our lawmakers.


Ta-Nehisi Coates raises the point that, if Obama isn’t willing to press forward with prosecutions, it is at least in part because the people aren’t pressing him to press forward. Why not? Is it that we (the people) and they (the potential prosecutors) don’t want to accept our own share of the responsibility? Culpability stretches across party lines, after all. Or is it just that we’re desensitized to the brutality of what was done? Or that we can dismiss it as an anomaly rather than a systemic failure?

The picture here is bigger than just torture. Again, I return to Wittmann’s essay:

The decision to support war will always, ultimately, be a decision to support war crimes. It makes no sense to imagine that torture is only the provenance of a few “bad apples”—it is a fundamental elemnt of war in which “we” attempt to understand, undermine, and eradicate “them.” To relegate torture to the margins, to the exceptional, and to the crime of a few sadists is to willfully ignore the nature of war.

Torture is being debated in a vacuum, strangely detached from war itself. As much as I appreciate efforts by the likes of Andrew Sullivan or Christopher Hitchens to expose the brutality of torture now, I have to wonder what they were thinking would happen when they enthusiastically supported the initial invasion of Iraq. Centuries of human history have taught us that whenever a major war is fought, women are raped, children are maimed and killed, civilians are driven from their homes, and people are tortured. Did they really think it would be different this time?

So, to answer the question, yes I think high-level decision makers responsible for torture should be prosecuted. Part of it is a desire for accountability—powerful people all too often have the luxury of “looking forward” while the rest of us have to account for our past actions. But the main reason I want to see justice is to plant a seed of doubt in the head of the next administration that considers “enhanced interrogation” or starting an unnecessary war. We need a vivid reminder that war is not just night-vision explosions and falling statues and good versus evil. Once the first bomb is dropped, war becomes a self-perpetuating maelstrom that stirs up the worst of humanity. Those that unleash it had better have a damn good reason for doing so.

Cross-posted at Ablogistan.



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8 Responses to “On Torture”

  1. ChrisWWW says:

    The decision to support war will always, ultimately, be a decision to support war crimes.

    That's true, to an extent. As Rumsfeld famously said, “stuff happens” in war that you can't control. Civilians die and soldiers go off the rails.

    However, that is completely different from high level officials creating a system to torture prisoners of the Long War.

  2. jwest says:

    OK. Here is the challenge for all TMV readers.

    Assume that you are as evil as Dick Cheney, that you hate a certain individual and you want to inflict the worst possible damage to this person you can imagine.

    What would it be?

    Death? That seems a bit easy and doesn’t make the subject suffer mentally and physically as much as possible.

    Torture? What kind would someone like Cheney devise to be the worst possible?

    Something Else? What could be worse than death or torture? Let’s see what the morally upstanding group at TMV can come up with.

  3. JSpencer says:

    Looks like another jwest bid for negative attention, this time with an attempted strawman concoction for rationalizing sadism. I reckon I'll pass.

  4. jwest says:

    JSpencer,

    Is it painful to be so shallow?

    The ultimate point would have been to show that torture is nothing compared to living in the generational ignorance dictated by liberal policies on education in inner cities.

    I wouldn’t expect you to follow the logic, or to recognize the painful truth behind the horrific suffering caused by mindless liberal policies and the lust for power through misled voting groups. Occasionally though, an independent thinker passes through and I thought it would be novel to have something thought provoking written in on this site for a change.

  5. JSpencer says:

    Jwest, here's the real question: How will it be possible for someone as extreme as yourself to even discern where the center is? That is your mission. . . should you choose to accept it. ;-)

  6. mlhradio says:

    >I thought it would be novel to have something thought provoking written in on this site for a change.<

    If you do not find the discourse on this site thought-provoking, then why are you here?

    Perhaps you should take your backwards views to a more appropriate venue, where it can be appreciated by other anti-American polliterati.

  7. ChrisWWW says:

    jwest has stumbled on to why the type of torture Bush and Cheney authorized is so pernicious. Each technique can be taken in isolation and made to sound relatively benign; this in turn provides enough pretext for the whole horrid affair. If I slap a prisoner once, is that torture? I don't think so. If I slap him every day while he is hanging naked from the ceiling, well…

  8. jwest says:

    Chris,

    Speaking of stumbling, you’ve almost stumbled upon some logic. Let’s explore this a little more.

    “If I slap a prisoner once, is that torture? I don't think so.”

    How about if you use a blowtorch to scorch a piece of skin and peel it back with a pair of pliers – just once. Would that be considered torture?

    I’m hoping you’ll say yes.

    You see, by reasoning together we have established that there are acts that aren’t in and of themselves torture and those that are.

    You will say that waterboarding falls into the second column. That any application of it is the same as the blowtorch and pliers, torture pure and simple. I would contend that it falls into the first category, a matter of degree.

    Is this agreed so far?

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