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It Gets Worse Jazz … Rumor Has It Santa Isn’t Real

I have to admit I stunned by the sheer naivete it takes to find it a shocking revelation that Israel might have agents in the US. Why wouldn’t they? I bet we have agents in Israel. And France and the UK and Germany and Japan for that matter (and vice versa). And I’m sure they have agents here as well. And sometimes the agents get caught, and get arrested or expelled or whatever, and it’s a big incident, and then everyone goes back to where they started.

Just because sovereign states are “friends” doesn’t mean that they are going to take each others word on every last question. Nations — even friendly nations — still spy on each other. I’m sorry if this shocks anyone, and the next time you lose a tooth, for the love of God don’t stay up all night looking for a magic fairy. But on my end, this simply doesn’t give me the vapors.

Okay, enough mockery. More serious and distressing is the conspiratorial tone Jazz adopts, which is not only wholly unwarranted by the actual facts of the story, but I think implicitly buys into some extremely dangerous and illiberal ideas about Jews.

We don’t ask questions like that about Israel and AIPAC is never to be mentioned in anything but glowing terms.
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Shhhhh… don’t repeat this, link to it, or mention it to your friends. It doesn’t matter which party holds power in Washington. If you’re heard asking questions about Israel, it will be your phone next now that they’ve already nailed down Harmon.

Well, I guess I’m putting myself up for the Croix de guerre then. Put aside the bizarre leap in logic (”if you dare cross Israel and AIPAC, you’ll end up like Jane Harman, wiretapped while allegedly … performing favors for Israel and AIPAC.”), and the performative contradiction (notwithstanding the above paragraph, in general being associated with a spying scandal isn’t considered positive press coverage) … well, no, I can’t put that aside, because it kind of wrecks the whole argument, doesn’t it? What we’re witnessing is a scandal in which a member of Congress is alleged to have improperly worked with an alleged Israeli agent in a quid pro quo setting. The fact that a) this hit the press and b) it did so because the agents were being wire-tapped by the US government would both seem pretty clear evidence that looking into these questions are not no-gos in American politics.

There is something quite pernicious inlaid in this analysis. The message of this story is clearly not one that is positive from a Israel-phile perspective, and even more clearly does not demonstrate that it is impossible to cross Israel in the US and get away with it. Yet Jazz reinterprets such that it has a virtually opposite meaning, then deploys it to reinforce this Jewish hyper-power myth which is extraordinarily damaging to Jewish equality in the global sphere. It’s bad enough that Jews must systematically restrict their political agency for fears that if we are too assertive in our participation, then suddenly we’re puppet masters. Here, we see another example of how literally any story — even when the objective message would seem to run opposite — can be contorted by the paranoid so that it fits the image of the shadowy, dangerous Zionist cabal.

Just so I lay my cards on the table: The problem isn’t “Jazz is criticizing Israel”. I have no problem with expelling Israeli agents, or (if warranted) arresting and prosecuting Americans who facilitate Israeli espionage. The problem is that Jazz observes a critical piece on Israel fostered by a US government investigation and somehow uses that to say that this sort of criticism and investigation is impossible and, if pursued, will be met with a Zionist hit job. In normal contexts, that’s simply illogical. But since it’s the sort of illogic which still holds significant social potency and is used to deny me my right to fair and equitable political inclusion, it needs to be broken down.

  • It's a bit much to say that Harman was being wiretapped because of some sort of Israeli conspiracy. However, if the story is true, Harman was part of an Israeli conspiracy to get lenient treatment for their AIPAC friends who got caught in another conspiracy...

    Under those circumstances, I don't think it's the least bit anti-Semitic to say that our country's relationship with Israel is unhealthy. The same goes for our public debate over that relationship.
  • Rudi
    Was this a blanket wire taps for the GWOT, or was this specific to the on going AIPAC trial? If the former then NSA is in big trouble with the tappees, if latter not so much.
  • schraubd
    Obviously, if a US congressman was trying to interfere with a federal investigation (for any reason, but particularly at the behest of a foreign power), that's a bad thing -- and I say that's a bad thing towards which I have no problem seeing a prosecution (if the facts end up warranting one).

    But Jazz somehow argues that an investigation into such alleged behavior is itself proof that it's impossible to investigate such behavior, and that public reporting on the topic is proof that nobody can talk about it. It's more than "a bit much" -- it's an unbelievable logical contortion borne out of paranoia, and it is an extremely poisonous contribution to the public discourse on the subject.

    But if Jazz is right, I should be dead by morning anyway via Mossad bullet. So I guess we'll see.
  • But Jazz somehow argues that an investigation into such alleged behavior is itself proof that it's impossible to investigate such behavior, and that public reporting on the topic is proof that nobody can talk about it. It's more than "a bit much" -- it's an unbelievable logical contortion borne out of paranoia, and it is an extremely poisonous contribution to the public discourse on the subject.

    I agree that he's not coming to a logical conclusion. However, -- Jazz can certainly chime in here -- I think he was being a bit snarky, and more importantly this kind of conspiracy talk is common for other actors in the Middle East. There are plenty of people who think that the Saudi's have a stranglehold on our government and industry that leads to gas guzzlers out of Detroit and clemency for Bin Laden. I have yet to see those types of claims come under attack for being anti-Arab or anti-Muslim.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    It's obvious Jazz was being sarcastic.

    Completely, totally, utterly.
  • schraubd
    I didn't read what Jazz was saying as farcical (in the sense that he doesn't believe that Israel has too much power over America, and that it is in some way dangerous to criticize Israel). So if he actually believes that, then it doesn't become justified simply because he appends "hahaha!" at the end. I think snark that reinforces damaging stereotypes that still have tremendous potency and still have a massive material impact on my life as a Jew (politically and otherwise) is tremendously irresponsible. It's like Rush Limbaugh's "snark" about Barack the Magic Negro. Trying to prove a political point by engaging in anti-Semitic stereotyping (because other people are also the victim of conspiracy-mongering? WTF?) is totally illegitimate behavior.

    It's not like Jews don't face enough serious conspiracy talk by important political actors (e.g., the first speaker at this week's Geneva conference) so that Jazz's "farcical" (if it was that) version can be dismissed as trivial. We're still dealing with the fallout of this shit -- it's not something you joke around about. This type of conspiracy talk isn't exactly uncommon for Jews either.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    David Schraub-

    No.

    You blew this one.
  • David,
    Don't get me wrong, there are strong reasons to be vigilant against Jewish conspiracy talk but I think you picked the wrong target and context to fight that battle.

    More generally, charges of anti-Semitism have been thrown about so frequently (and often falsely) by groups like the Anti-Defamation League, that it's losing impact.
  • schraubd
    Unfortunately, the people who say they're only concerned about the dilution of anti-Semitism through purportedly false charges have seemingly never met a true charge that wasn't spouted from a neo-Nazi rally. So, consider me skeptical on the "merits" of their "critique". On anti-Semitism, the rate of false negatives far outstrips false positives in contemporary discourse.

    And here, really, what Jazz is saying doesn't make sense unless he believes that Zionists possess too much power in the United States. In which case, the snark is simply exaggerating a position he agrees with, which means he is enforcing the conspiracy talk. Not only is this not difficult, you haven't given a benign alternative interpretation.
  • what Jazz is saying doesn't make sense unless he believes that Zionists possess too much power in the United States. In which case, the snark is simply exaggerating a position he agrees with, which means he is enforcing the conspiracy talk. Not only is this not difficult, you haven't given a benign alternative interpretation..

    You act as if that viewpoint is without any merit, despite strong evidence to the contrary. Also, you're conflating anti-Zionism, or more specifically opposition to Israeli influence over the U.S. government, with anti-Semitism.

    I understand that you're saying Jazz's comments come close to classic anti-Semitic remarks about global conspiracies and the like. There's no denying that's true. However, this specific case has enough merit (AIPAC is a powerful lobby, and there was an actual conspiracy) that I think your charge is uncalled for.
  • schraubd
    As Jazz is so helpfully demonstrating, anti-Zionist discourse often bleeds into anti-Semitic discourse. In this specific case, the problematic part isn't (as I noted in my post) the critique of Rep. Harman. It's the bizarre implication that by doing so he's doing something bold, transgressive, indeed dangerous -- something that (for an as yet unexplained reason) puts you at risk of coming under federal wiretap to please the Zionist masters. There's simply zero merit to that claim, it's performatively contradicted by the story he's linking to, and hence all that's left is its admitted (by you) linkage to classic conspiracy mongering which (and I can't stress this part enough) is used to rationalize discriminating against, beating, and even killing Jews.
  • As Jazz is so helpfully demonstrating, anti-Zionist discourse often bleeds into anti-Semitic discourse

    Or, as you're demonstrating, anti-Zionist discourse is reflexively labeled as anti-Semitic.

    In any event, I highly doubt that Jazz's comment is intentionally or unwittingly laying the groundwork for future pogroms. But before I say anymore, I'd like to know what Jazz thinks of all of this.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    I just can't believe what I'm reading here. It's ridiculous. And I don't think I'm complicit in two thousand years of anti-Semitism for saying so.
  • schraubd
    An ironic charge, Chris, given that I've actually given warrants for my position here, and you haven't. Reflexive indeed. (Also, again, a performatively false charge given that in this post I've said that I have no problem with expelling or otherwise dealing with Israeli agents and investigating/prosecuting their abettors. If I truly conflated criticizing Israel with anti-Semitism I should have disintegrated by now on cognitive dissonance alone.).

    The only reflex I see is a hell-bent desire that nothing ever be even hinted at as being anti-Semitic, ever. At the point where you concede that Jazz's argument is a) illogical and b) reminiscent of classic conspiracy mongering that is really dangerous for Jews then I'm not sure why I'm the crazy person for making the extension that illogical conspiratorial arguments which threaten minorities are a bad thing and we should condemn them.
  • Might want to update your coverage of this issue, with a new or corrected post. Where's the evidence?

    http://tpmtv.talkingpointsmemo.com/?id=2404437
  • GeorgeSorwell
    It's obvious how angry you are. Unfortunately, it's also obvious that you're being unfair.

    I've got nothing else.
  • David,
    Let me try again. I think there is enough talk of actual Israeli/AIPAC conspiracies in this particular news item to provide an alternate explanation for Jazz's remarks, illogical or otherwise. The idea that the first thing we should do in this borderline (at most) situation is condemn Jazz as an anti-Semite seems like an overreaction.
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