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The Vileness Of Grandmother Palin

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By SHAUN MULLEN

GUEST VOICE

I’ve had a jolly good time in recent days sharing the White Trash Chronicles, the latest and the greatest from presidential wannabe Sarah Palin and her extended family of questionable characters. But this latest post isn’t funny at all, because the Killa From Wasilla has crossed the line from wingnuttery to vile.

01aaalegs_palin.jpgI had the misfortune to be involved in a pretty wrenching divorce many years ago that involved young and impressionable children, and have been privy to a number of others, as well. As much as the spouses may war — and the mother of my children and I did — there is one inviolable rule as far as I’m concerned: Whether a parent or grandparent, you never speak ill of a parent’s ability to love and care for their offspring if there is any chance they may hear or read that.

There are at least a couple of reasons for this: Those youngsters can be awfully impressionable, and it is up to the children of divorce to decide for themselves who their parents are and not have bilious views shoved down their throats.

But Grandmother Palin, as we know, is a rule breaker from way back. So it should come as no surprise that her latest salvo in the breakup of daughter Bristol and Levi Johnston is to very publicly state that Levi doesn’t give a rip about the well-being of baby Trip.

Chances are that Trip is going to be one screwed-up kid anyhow considering that he will be growing up in the dark shadow of a Grandmommy Dearest. But I cannot imagine the damage it will do when he is old enough to read about — if he is not already hearing about — the awful things being said around the house concerning his father.

In any event, we know that Grandmother Palin loves her family very much because she constantly uses them, including special-needs son Trig, as stage props to further her own political agenda.

And we are well aware of her by-now-familiar shtick asserting how important it is to take responsibility for one’s actions and castigate those who by her right-wing calculus aren’t American enough, or whatever.

But for her to additionally claim that Bristol, who as a post-adolescent appears to have had an “active” social life, has been the responsible one in her fling with Levi is downright demented.

Meanwhile, the Woman of a Thousand Lies, beginning with the canard that she consulted with her family before accepting McCain’s invitation to destroy his campaign, has added yet another one:

Having claimed that she skipped a major GOP fundraiser so she could be in Alaska for the closing days of the legislative session, she has decided to spend much of the closing days of the legislative session in Indiana shilling for pro-lifers.

At least she is covering herself in glory with her pick to be Alaska attorney general: A gay loathing misogynist who blames the rise in domestic violence on equal rights laws.

And yes. Lest there be any doubt, John McCain hates Grandmother Palin.

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Shaun Mullen is a former The Moderate Voice columnist. Over a long career with newspapers, this award-winning editor and reporter covered the Vietnam War, O.J. Simpson trials, Clinton impeachment circus and coming of Osama bin Laden, among many other big stories. He blogs at Kiko’s House.



98 Responses to “The Vileness Of Grandmother Palin”

  1. DaGoat says:

    Bristol, who as a post-adolescent appears to have never met a penis that she didn’t want to impale herself on

    You're one sick dude.

  2. Polimom says:

    Shaun, this is so over the top, it turns my stomach. Especially the truly nasty barb at Bristol.

    Truly revolting.

  3. AustinRoth says:

    Yet another hate-filled screed that just reading the title let me know the author, before I even scrolled down. I fail to see why TMV continues to give you a forum for your bile, which really belongs at DU or Balloon Juice.

    You need psychiatric help Shaun, seriously.

  4. CStanley says:

    Whatever 'vileness' Palin might be guilty of here is at least explained by her emotional concerns for her daughter (even if misplaced emotion is preventing her from seeing the forest for the trees in how this could hurt her grandchild.)

    But vileness motivated by political vendetta and/or titillation is just inexcusable.

  5. shaun says:

    Polimom:

    Get over it.

    Bristol was entitled to a modicum of privacy as a teenager, albeit a confused one who from all reports has been sexually active for several years. But her mother has insisted on using her as a stage prop for abstinence and her entire family as a cudgel to advance her own political agenda and lust to become president.

    I suppose we could pretend that none of this yucky behavior was happening and confine ourselves to talking about Palin's politics. But I don't live in that world and neither should anyone else — especially a mother like yourself — who takes seriously whether an individual has the character to be taken seriously, let alone a leader.

  6. mlhradio says:

    Shaun, I love ya baby, and I also dislike Palin with a strong passion as well. But I must agree with others – this post was over the top, and is out of line for The Moderate Voice – I expect to see stuff like this on more lightweight blogs like Huffington Post or DailyKos.

    Seems to me that you have never met a Sara Palin malapropism that you didn't want to impale yourself on. This monomania isn't very healthy. I haven't seen such one-sidedness on this blog since Hate-Filled Holly launched her one-woman relentless defense of Israel and its apartheid policies.

    If you feel the need to attack Palin (and o boy does she deserve it), then please dial back the slime and personal attacks, and stick to reasoned arguments.

    You hate Sarah Palin. Yeah, we *get* that – there's no need to keep proving yourself on that point. Instead, remember your audience, and remember that you are posting a message to try and convince *others* that your position is the right one. Go back and re-read what you wrote – now, how is *that* going to sway readers to your opinion?

  7. shaun says:

    mlhradio:

    How quickly we defer to “hate.” I don't hate Grandmother Palin. She is someone to be pitied.

  8. Polimom says:

    I see you changed the wording about Bristol. Good. Would that you'd left it out before hitting the publish button. It was ill-done, Shaun, and clearly you figured that out.

    Frankly, it's not clear to me why anybody's talking about Sarah Palin in the first place — much less the bad soap opera-worthy antics of her family. She lost. She negatively affected McCain's run. She's back in Alaska having numerous provincial problems (many of her own making).

    She's irrelevant, Shaun; an asterisk; a political punch-line — and writing about her with this level of heat and bile seems obsessive. It isn't me who needs to work on getting “over it”.

    FWIW — I never, ever disliked Sarah Palin personally, and I'm no more interested in her daughter's sexual activity than I am about yours. To think that Bristol's life has the slightest impact on my own daughter is laughable when she (and every last one of her friends) is inundated daily with much worse.

  9. EEllis says:

    Get Help. Really, it's just not healthy.

  10. jwest says:

    I wish people would try to show a little compassion towards Shaun. Articles like this are not something he can control or fail to write, it’s a compulsion.

    Understanding what Shaun must have gone through from being abused as a child to the crushing humiliation heaped upon him by his ex-wife for his inability to perform sexually, his life was one pathetic tragedy after another. Of course he is going to resort to projection to ease the pain of being the pitiable Shaun Mullen.

    If you need a villain, look to Joe Gandelman.

    To place a sad spectacle such as Mullen in a public forum for the sole purpose of acquiring a few more “hits” on a website is tantamount to poking a retarded hobo with a stick just to torment him. Cruel and tasteless. Gandelman owes society an apology.

  11. AustinRoth says:

    Bravely bold Sir Mullen rode forth from Camelot.
    He was not afraid to speak, O brave Sir Mullen!
    He was not at all afraid to be critsized in nasty ways,
    Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Mullen!

    Oh, wait. Not so brave after all. Like brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin, upon being called out for his vile attack on Bristol, he pissed his pants, changed his words, and:

    Brave Sir Mullen ran away.
    Bravely ran away, away!
    When criticism reared its ugly head,
    He bravely turned his tail and fled.

    Yes, brave Sir Mullen turned about
    And gallantly he chickened out.
    Bravely taking to his feet
    He beat a very brave retreat,
    Bravest of the brave, Sir Mullen!

  12. CStanley says:

    Isn't it obvious, Polimom, that the continued hate spew toward Palin indicates that many on the left still see her as a future threat, and want to take the opportunity to kick her while she's down to prevent any potential success for her in '12 or
    16?

    It's so transparent that the people who are engaging in it ought to be embarrassed, although they appear to have no shame so I suppose that's a wistful thought.

  13. icarustraveler says:

    THANK YOU! My son has been completely shut out of his young daughters' lives by their mother and her family…”because they can.” Palin “family values” include treating fathers, aunts and grandmothers as disposable at whim. I've seen first hand the lifelong heartbreak this causes in families, both to fathers, paternal grandmothers and children.

    If Palin had problems with Levi she should have spoken to him privately like a normal person would. Instead, Palin, a Governor publicly attacks a teenager, who's also the father of her own grandchild, in a press release – to People Magazine – issued by a paid state PR staffer on official state letterhead. Vile doesn't begin to describe it. She's a malignant narcissist.

  14. Braindead says:

    Fascism is alive and well in America.

    We must destroy the political opposition.

    Good Job Shaun. Im sure you added another dozen or so converts to the Fascist left that wants a single party state with full control of everything Including GM and the Banks.

  15. kathyedits says:

    Joe Gandelman is not a villain or the villain. Joe is not responsible for every ill-considered impulse made by a TMV writer, and to be clear, this is the first time I have seen a remark as inappropriate as the one Shaun apparently made. I say “apparently” because I did not actually see it; I am going by what I've read here in the comments, that Shaun referred to Bristol Palin in a very crude way, and then re-worded when outraged comments were posted.

    All Joe can do is, like any of the rest of us, deal with the ugliness after the fact. He's not psychic. He can't know something is going to happen before it happens.

    Not to go on and on, but I have enormous respect for Joe as a professional and as a person. He does not deserve to be referred to as a “villain” for a TMV writer's lapse in judgment.

  16. shaun says:

    kathyedits:

    The only change of consequence was to remove the word for a body part with the phrase “active social life,” which conveys the situation just as well.

    I later removed the adjective “despicably” from the headline and lede paragraph because “vile” conveys the matter just as well.

    Meanwhile, you are absolutely correct about Joe, and he has had enormously thick skin for putting up with the trolls who regularly berate he and certain posters in an effort to shame — which is to say silence — them because their views do not hew to a certain orthodoxy.

    Once again with feeling: Bristol Palin was entitled to a modicum of privacy as a teenager. The Carters, Clintons and Bushes felt strongly about that when their daughters could have been in the spotlight. But Bristol's mother has insisted on using her as a stage prop for abstinence and her entire family as a cudgel to advance her own political agenda and lust to become president.

  17. GreenDreams says:

    Shaun, maybe you do need to revisit a post after a cooling off period before publishing, but I'm not going to blast the messenger here. You have been through a difficult divorce with children. In my case, my ex and I talked about it and read about how to keep from damaging children of 'broken' families, and we were extremely careful not to trash the other parent, especially to the kids. We would never have publicly said anything to denigrate our co-parent. I would have had extremely strong words with my mom, or hers, had they done anything like Sarah Palin has. So I have considerable sympathy for what you're saying, because we were caring responsible parents throughout the separation, and our parents, ordinary nonfamous people were similarly decent about it.

    I also share your outrage that someone who aspires to be a national figure, even to lead our nation, lacks the common decency to do as millions of parents and ex-spouses and their families do.

    For all of you raging against Shaun, tell me why anyone in America should not hold Sarah Palin's behavior in complete contempt. Forevermore any tripe she dishes out about “family values” is tainted with the strongest stain of hypocrisy.

    And I agree with the headline. What a VILE grandmother!

  18. roro80 says:

    I strongly dislike Palin, her whole worldview, and in many ways, I agree with the pith of what the poster is getting at: trotting out your family as props for political gain is not only hurtful to the family, it's also does her no political favors. Ok, I agree.

    BUT

    One of the things I so strongly dislike about Palin in particular and socially conservative “values” in general is the whole mysogynistic slut-shaming that is the pro-life/abstinence-only/women-are-baby-makers/sex-is-dirty/madonna-whore dichotomy that Palin seemed to embody. How is what you did, Shaun, any better on that count? I didn't get here when the original wording was there, but that was some grade-A slut shaming there, right out of the Palin/O'Reilly/Dobson playbook. Is that really where you want to go here?

  19. CStanley says:

    Why? Because it's just as harmful to all the kids involved (the big, semi-grown up ones as well as the tiny newborn ones) to perpetuate these stories in the media and blogosphere.

    If Palin is wrong to speak publicly about these matters, then we're just as wrong to keep it on the front pages.

    From what we know, I do think she's wrong, and that Levi Palin was wrong to seek publicity to get his side of the story out, and that she is older and should be held more responsible for that.

    But I also hold the quaint view that says that none of us really know the details of who's right and wrong.

    And finally- anyone who is so disgusted at the use of children as political props should hold themselves to the same standard and refrain from doing so, even if 'she did it first!' That too, should be an inviolable principle.

  20. GreenDreams says:

    OK, CS, so are you saying you disagree that her actions are hypocritical in the light of her sermonizing about “family values?” Or that she is not making herself a deplorable spectacle rather than an inspiring aspiring leader?

    Of course you are saying we should shut up about it, but we didn't make it a public soap opera, and like it or not, America LOVES this slime and gobbles it right up. Sarah Palin served it right up, rather than being an adult and saying, as she should have, 'my grandson and his TWO parents have differences that are private and I wish both of them and my grandson the best.'

    That's what MY mom would have said, and she's not holding herself up as a paragon of family values.

  21. HemmD says:

    Could we possibly add a little more bile to this discussion?

    Let's see, we have villains, fascists, pants wetters, and malignant narcissism. And that's just the highlights.

    In the next post, can someone attack a Democratic civilian in the political wars so we can reverse roles? Say Michelle Obama, the black radical? That way, the left can be outraged and the right can defend.

    It really matters whose cow gets gored doesn't it? In the mean time, can someone direct me to a post that deals with issues?

  22. CStanley says:

    I'm saying it would be hypocritical of me to continue driving these stories since I believe that the kids' best interests should be the guiding principle.

    Why is it so imperative for you to speak out against Palin's hypocrisy? Is the speaking out about that any different in the effect it has on the children involved than her speaking out was? Particularly since she's not even running for anything at the moment, and could be ignored without any ill consequences befalling anyone involved (except perhaps Democrats who'd suffer the ill consequences of her potential comeback in future elections if they don't finish her off now.)

  23. jwest says:

    Kathyedits,

    I must respectfully disagree with your view that Joe Gandelman is blameless.

    This article isn’t an isolated rant by a normally sane individual, but a continuation of a lifelong series of bile filled left wing fantasies. Mullen’s unhinged ravings are not unique by any means. What is special is Joe Gandelman pushing him on to a larger stage in order to gain the benefits of the controversy that Mullen’s warped writings bring.

    At a website other than the Moderate Voice, one designed and promoted as a haven for like-minded haters, Shaun’s vileness would blend in unnoticed among the intellectually challenged. What gives his sick ramblings shock value is the venue he is allowed to publish at.

    Mullen’s writings have no informational value, lack any logic or reason and demonstrably don’t move understanding by any side of any argument. The only reason for allowing “guest voice” status to this individual is a lust for higher website traffic.

    Perhaps Joe would consider posting pictures of unfortunate poor people being enticed to fight each other as a replacement for Shaun Mullen articles. It would bring in about the same traffic but would definitely be less offensive.

  24. Braindead says:

    Palin should be executed.

    She dares to stand up in the face of the Facist left and spout views that are detrimental to America. How dare she…..?!!

  25. icarustraveler says:

    Personally, I think the prospect of a malignant narcissist holding national office is an “issue”. The bile Palin is reaping is what she herself has sown.

  26. CStanley says:

    And the bile that her children reap?

  27. kathyedits says:

    I agree completely and wholeheartedly with what GreenDreams wrote. As I said before, I did not see the words Shaun used initially to describe Bristol Palin, but I can say unequivocally that is the *only* objection I would have had, or had, to Shaun's post — because it was crude, yes, but also because I feel that Bristol's interests and well-being are being just as badly served by Sarah Palin's exploitation of her family for political gain as Levi's are.

    I don't feel that Bristol has done anything wrong or behaved in any way inappropriately in the public part of this mess (as opposed to whatever part remains private, which obviously I can't know about). I don't think Levi has, either, given the context he's acted within.

    So that's my only possible disagreement with Shaun. The only person who deserves to be put down (albeit using appropriate language) in this mess is Sarah Palin. Her behavior has been vile throughout.

  28. MissouriGirl says:

    In my opinion, the author has a huge problem – one bigger than the Palin family. I have no desire to read such trash and I think it is inexcusable. None of us know what is REALLY happening and it is wrong for any of us to point fingers and place blame. IF I were to cast blame it would be toward Levi for going on TV and spilling his guts about his and Bristol's sex life. WHY??? What is in it for him? A gentleman doesn't kiss and tell. He was probably coerced into doing it. It should tell you all something, though, that even through all of this he has publicly stated that he will still vote for Sarah Palin. So will I! No need to trash me as I never revisit a site to read comments – I read the article and some of the posts, and rarely ever post but when I do, I don't come back – so save your time and breath as well as your typing fingers. If you try to blast me out of the saddle, I won't see it.

  29. whitetrashlib says:

    Mr. Mullen,

    You aren't doing the progressive movement any favors by publishing this sort of thing. Name calling is childish so let children do it. If you want to write a cogent, well thought arguement, I would be happy to read it, but this is the kind of stuff that Michelle Malkin publishes, only it comes from the left.

    I feel the need to remind you that the name of this site is The Moderate Voice.

  30. kathyedits says:

    jwest,

    Well, then, we must agree to disagree. I have been reading Shaun's posts, both here and at Kiko's House, for a long time now and have found them to be nothing but lively, well-argued, well-written, and appropriately impassioned. I have *never* read any post of Shaun's that personally insulted anyone or used crude, sexually explicit or misogynistic language. He made a mistake here (imo) with ONE turn of phrase in an otherwise unobjectionable post. He should have waited until he had cooled off and then re-read and re-phrased before he published. The fact that he changed the wording of the phrase at issue shows that he realizes this, even if he did not explicitly acknowledge it.

    I really don't think he deserves to be hung or burned at the stake for that (so to speak — exaggeration to make a point).

    And even *more* strongly do I dispute the notion that Joe is in any way to blame or responsible for any of this. I won't argue the point ad infinitum (I'm sure Joe can defend himself quite well), but I will say, as my final comment on this subject, that blaming Joe for Shaun's post is deeply unfair, unjustified, and inappropriate, and I condemn it in the strongest terms I can (appropriately) use.

  31. CStanley says:

    So, phrases like White trash are appropriately impassioned political debate terms? Wow.

    Just wow- I'm speechless beyond that.

  32. HemmD says:

    Well said.

    Lots of luck getting heard through the rock fight.

  33. HemmD says:

    Come on Ic,

    Isn't the polemic a little thick for you? Does this article actually contribute to the political debate? Would we gain as much if we had an article entitled “Barack the Magic Negro?” Would either of these help articulate your political position?

  34. CStanley says:

    OK, I found my voice again.

    Maybe, just maybe, we ought to consider that passion and moderation don't mix very well?

    And maybe we could even go so far as to say that if we make allowances for people spewing vile commentary when their passions flare, that we also could find a tiny bit of similar forgiveness for a mother whose passions lead her to misstep when handling an emotionally laden situation within her family, even if it was first her choice to handle these things under the public spotlight.

    And that it's no more morally correct to judge someone for the sin of hypocrisy than it is to judge them for any other sin, lest we forget to take the planks out of our own eyes.

    That's my final word on it.

  35. GreenDreams says:

    No, I disagree that we should just let it pass when national figures engage in hypocritical acts, then expect us to “let bygones be bygones” when they want us to respect them. We suffer far more as a culture from a complacent media. It is the job of commenters to comment. Palin herself has made this a part of “the news”. It is not being thrust upon her.

  36. Lit3Bolt says:

    Braindead please stop. Moderate doesn't equal “Waaaaaah libs r mean!”

    Shaun, your glee at tossing rhetorical bombs is a wee bit too obvious. This article did not inform or sway making it more you than Palin.

  37. lynnrockets says:

    YELLOW SARAH P.
    (Sung to the Beatles song “Yellow Submarine”)

    In the state where she was born,
    The A.I.P. wants to secede,
    Todd, “the First Dude’s” bossy wife,
    Yes, her name is Sarah P.

    Once the mayor of Wasilla,
    And a one-time beauty queen,
    Now she shills for “Arctic Cat”
    Cheering for Todd’s snow-machine.

    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.
    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.

    And her friends just love their boss,
    Meg Stapleton and old Wayne Ross,
    Now their band begins to play…

    (Trumpets play)
    DaDaDaDumpDeDumpDeDump
    DaDaDaDumpDeDumpDeDump

    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.
    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.

    (Full speed ahead, Ms. Palin, full speed!
    Russia’s over here, Mam!
    Putin! Putin!
    Aye, aye, Mam, fire!
    Guv’nor! Guv’nor!)

    Now she lives a life of ease,
    But can’t recite her A-B-C’s, (her A-B-C’s)
    “Hockey Mom” (hockey mom), with “lipstick on”, (lipstick on)
    Savior of (savior of) the G.O.P. (G.O.P.) (Hahaha!)

    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.
    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.

    (fading)

    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.
    Alaska must get rid of Sarah P.,
    Rid of Sarah P., Rid of Sarah P.

  38. CStanley says:

    Ah, and this applies equally to Democrat hypocrites, yes?

    Chris Dodd getting a sweetheart mortgage deal, Barney Frank's lover heading up the GSE that he's in charge of regulating…

    Hypocrisy isn't just about family values, is it? Those examples on the D side are far more closely related to actual governance, yet I don't recall a single story about those scandalous behaviors here.

    Aren't Democratic commenters also hypocritical if they only tend to social conservative hypocrisy and ignore their own backyard?

  39. Lit3Bolt says:

    Also, I love it when hypocrisy is on display, as braindead and austinroth and others say this screed by shaun is so vile that they have no choice but to use his tactics against him.

    Somehow I doubt their articles would be polite and respectful.

  40. StockBoySF says:

    I agree with CStanley that the left continues to see Palin as a threat and wants to continue to kick her. Though I will point out that Palin is a governor of a state and is fair game for others to criticize. She also has national political aspirations. Given that Palin is taking actions in both her personal and professional life which can be criticized I think it is to be expected that people will write about her.

    Whether a particular piece about her is fair or not depends on the author or blogger. But it is unreasonable to assume that Palin is a has-been and non-issue.

    I wouldn't write a piece on Palin with the same tone as Shaun. Whether I agree with Shaun or not is beside the point. But Shaun thinks (at least this is how I interpret it) that Palin is using her family, state and status as governor to advance her career: in other words it's Palin first and all others second. If it's a choice between Alaska's needs (such as staying in town to resolve the end of the legislature issues) or her own political future she'll go off to campaign (and make I do think her Indiana appearance is a campaign for herself).

    I remember reading something last Sept. (I think) that basically said that Palin would walk over her own family to get what she wanted (didn't she have a feud with her mother over something?) This came from Alaskans who had worked with her or knew her. It was downplayed as coming from people who probably had grudges…. and I don't know whether it's true or not. But given what we are seeing now with Palin I suspect it was true for the most part. However the only actions I can evaluate Palin on are those actions and stories which come to light now and in which two sides can present their case.

    While I don't think Palin is using her children and family as props like Shaun and many others feel, I also feel that she is not protecting her children. I mean how can she claim that she has the best interests of her family at heart when she continually shoves them in the spotlight puts them through this kind of stuff? Granted part of the problem is her detractors, but Palin, instead of taking Obama's lead by saying her family is off limits (Obama told the press that Palin's family should be off limits back in Sept), Palin keeps the issue alive and holds her family up as an example of how “good” and “right” they are. Even if it means belitting others' families (including the father of her own grandchild) who was almost her son-in-law.

    I wrote a comment last week which ended something like, “Palin is messy.”

    Even if you support her positions the way she comports herself publically with regards to both her profesisonal and personal life is just plain messy.

    I may not agree with Shaun's tone or everything he says, but I understand his anger at Palin's hypocrisy, using others, messiness, etc. It was Palin (in case anyone has forgotten) who made the “real Americans” comment, which basically divides the country into two camps…. Not rhetoric you want from a person who aspires to national office.

  41. jchem says:

    I normally enjoy the boards when Shaun posts, but I have to say that this has to be about as bad as reading something posted by Michael Reagan. I'm not going to throw out personal insults here, but seriously, Shaun, this is pretty low. And I have to ask what the point of posting Palin's “leg photo” is? Perhaps there is a larger issue you are trying to get at here, but if you were just looking to vent out some of your own personal hatred for Palin, surely you could find a better way of doing it?

  42. lynnrockets says:

    As we witnessed on Leno last night, even John McCain has now officially abandoned her. What does that say about one's political future, when her number 1 supporter has now deserted?

  43. jchem says:

    StodckBoy, you said it much better than I could but you beat me to it.

  44. DaGoat says:

    As I've posted before, I think Sarah Palin is an unqualified twit. The main reason she was VP candidate was because the GOP wanted her demographics, something I think was an amazingly callous and desperate decision by the GOP.

    The left can trash Palin all they want. Where I differ with the left is their eagerness to trash Palin's family, something that started almost immediately after her nomination. When someone says:

    Bristol, who as a post-adolescent appears to have never met a penis that she didn’t want to impale herself on

    this has nothing to do with Sarah Palin's inadequacy as a politician, it's just taking a slap at someone associated with her. I've read Shaun's columns and agreed with him on occasion, but this really surprised me.

    And I agree some of this falls on Joe Gandelman, who has let the Palin family bashing go on unchecked. There used to be sort of a gentleman's agreement to leave families out of these sorts of discussions and this site has decided not to follow it. OK maybe I'm old school but this does nothing to find the common ground this site supposedly welcomes.

  45. Polimom says:

    The overall tone was extremely hostile, it's true. But what set me off, personally, was the appalling attack on Bristol.

    There's no excuse whatsoever for attacking that girl. None. Zero.

  46. CStanley says:

    In terms of enabling, I'd propose that the “it's the hypocrisy” excuse for indecent and personal attacks should not be permitted. Somehow a lot of rational, moderate left leaning folks have contorted logic to determine that personal attacks are permissible on socially conservative politicians and their families by virtue of the fact that anyone who actually states support for traditional values can't have an imperfect record of living up to those values (as interpreted by the critic, of course.)

    Gee, how convenient that this gives the left an opportunity to engage in the lowest forms of mudslinging while patting themselves on the back for saving the country from having any of these scoundrels get elected.

  47. AustinRoth says:

    Lit -

    Um, how did I use his tactics against Shaun? Did I say he was 'hopping on every prick he could find'? (Shaun's initial words about Bristol)

    Did I use any profanity? No.

    I did say it was “hate-filled screed” and 'bile', because, well, it is.

    And I used humor (a Monty Python routine) to mock him. Ooh. Rough stuff indeed.

    The worst I said was he need psychiatric help, which I think he does.

    Methinks the lady (that is you lit) doth protest too much.

  48. AustinRoth says:

    The anger here is not Shaun's word about Palin, as crass as they were, but his unneeded, unnecessary, crude and vile attack on Bristol, for no other reason than he is sick.

    I have certainly seen no apology from him for those worse, only a cowards way out of changing the post without comment, hence my mocking 'Brave Sir Mullen' parody.

    Please Shaun, tell us how you, who continually criticize the Right and the Republicans for wallowing in the mire of personal character assassination, can claim you did not just engage in that activity yourself?

    But, you being the sniveling, pathetic slime-ball that you have shown yourself to be with this post, I don't think you can bring yourself to apologize, or see how you have become what you profess to loathe.

  49. shaun says:

    Polimom:

    I know that you desperately want to believe I am attacking Bristol Palin because then your animus can get more traction.

    I am not attacking her, but now hear this:

    Grandmother Palin has REPEATEDLY held Bristol up as a model of abstinence even while she and Levi were screwing across the hall from her own bedroom. Palin has REPEATEDLY used her as a pinata to wave in peoples' faces.

    Bristol is just another teenager trying to sort out her life, and that includes her sexuality.

    She did not asked to get invited to this dance; Grandmommy Dearest dragged her there and as recently as 36 hours ago was again yammering to the national media about Bristol being the Virgin Mary and the father of her child being the Demon Spawn.

    Shooting the messenger doesn't work. Please recalibrate your sights.

  50. CStanley says:

    She is 'messy' and was completely unprepared for national politics, yet she still enjoys high approval ratings (despite a lot of negative press from ADN, whose editorial board members are obviously not her boosters.)

    It may well be that AK politics are just too different to translate to the national scene because it's such a rural, sparsely populated, parochial state. What we see as inappropriate in terms of having one's family in the spotlight is probably par for the course in a small town type of state, where everyone knows everyone else and knows their business anyway so you pretty much put it all out there and move on.

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