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Quote Of The Day: Is Glenn Beck Becoming A Patron Saint Of The Republican Party?

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Our Political Quote of the Day comes from First Read’s Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro who raise the issue of whether Fox New’s hottest new property Glenn Beck is now The One To Watch in terms of whether has an ideological influence over the Republican party.

They see signs that may be starting to happen:

*** Republicans Gone Wild, part II: Back in late February, a month into the Obama presidency, we noted how a couple of GOP senators said some outlandish things — first when Richard Shelby seemed to question Obama’s citizenship, and then when Jim Bunning predicted Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg would be dead in nine months. Well, now some of their House colleagues are giving those statements a run for their money. Presumably doing his best McCarthy impression, GOP Rep. Spencer Bachus said there were 17 members of the U.S. House who are socialists but didn’t name names, the Birmingham News reported.

And that came after the always-controversial Rep. Michele Bachmann called for an “orderly revolution” against Obama’s policies. (“We can’t let the Democrats achieve their ends any longer,” she said.) Just five months after Obama’s decisive 53%-46% victory, we’ve got to ask: What is going on with some Republican elected officials? Are they watching too much Glenn Beck? Seriously, could the bizarre rantings of this new darling of the right have something to do with this? GOP lawmakers, when speaking to supporters at home, are getting more odd questions. Could this Beck phenomenon be the reason? He truly has a “middle of the night” am radio quality to some of his rants.

Info outlets and talk show hosts have and should have a perfect right to exercise free speech. But that doesn’t negate the fact that to many listeners the host to whom they bond becomes a kind of trusted friend. They like him (or her) and will trust what the host says or at least give it more serious weight. If the host is outraged or fearful, many listeners will be, too.

There are several dangers here. One is the obvious danger of hammering home a message that someone you voted against isn’t just offering different policies but virtually threatens the existence of the country as you know it, your security, and even your guns.

And another danger for the GOP seems more evident each day, particularly to independent voters, baby boomers who aren’t proud of our hubris-bound generation’s impact on the quality of American political debate, and those of us who were around during the Vietnam war:

More and more the GOP seems to be moving now in the direction of how the far left moved during the Vietnam war. To some on the far left, the United States was “AmeriKa,” LBJ was some kind of war-and-blood-loving dictator and the government itself became the enemy. Talk of demonstrations and resistance was commonplace. The Democratic party staggered under the strain generational differences and policy disagreements plus a more basic divide on how government itself was perceived.

More and more the the-Republic-is-falling Beck, Hannity and Limbaugh fans are resembling some on the far left during the Vietnam era. And what happened to the Democrats then? The split led to the McGovern faction getting the nomination — and to a Nixon landslide. Even though history has proven George McGovern correct on the war (we will soon do a review of a new book on George McBundy which is one of several that vindicate McGovern), his nomination helped Richard Nixon peel off Democratic moderates and conservatives and build a new coalition — a task later solidified by Ronald Reagan. It took the George Bush years to tear that coalition asunder.

The GOP faces the same danger now: by embracing some of talk radio’s more alarmist and extreme narratives, language and assumptions, it could continue to lose independent voter support and whatever number of RINOS it still has. This could create a solid coalition for Obama of Democrats (he already has huge approval among them), independents, and more moderate Republicans (who many believe are actually now describing themselves as independents). Some claim Obama is polarizing, but others contend the GOP is shrinking.

Of course, Obama could overreach, poorly explain his policies or stumble and thereby convince more Americans that conservative talk radio political culture rhetoric is correct. But so far he hasn’t — or, at least, so far there is no indication that the vast majority of Americans are anywhere near being on Beck’s increasingly-out-there wavelength, even as some Republican politicos seemingly frantically scramble to adjust theirs.

UPDATE: NBC’s Chuck Todd answers accusations by GOPers and Karl Rove that Obama is the most polarizing President ever. Among his points: a)the Republican pool has gotten smaller, b)some Republicans who aren’t in sync with the present Republicans are now independents, c)Obama is not as polarizing as Bush was the past two years and d)Obama won the middle during the election and he has the middle now:
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  • It appears the Republicans are only heading deeper and deeper into the wilderness. Glenn Beck makes Rush Limbaugh look sane and reasonable. As conservative Daniel Larison points out even should Obama slip the current Republican party is in no position to attract the majority of voters. http://www.amconmag.com/larison/2009/04/09/pola...
  • GeorgeSorwell
    It's possible Obama will fail.

    Will the Republicans really benefit if that happens?
  • hilts
    Glenn Beck is a malignant media carcinogen. Everything he says on the air is a lie including the words "and" and "the".

    Fox News has descended to a new low with the hiring of Glenn Beck.

    Beck is a rabble rousing demagogue with delusions of grandeur.

    Beck is not the patron saint of the Republican Party, he's the patron saint of tinfoil conspiracy nuts.
  • freeta_goodholm
    You seem to be in possession of the truth
    please enlighten us.
  • ifticar
    Liberals have this nasty habit of labeling non compliance from conservatives as "dangerous." Something that is dangerous is something that must be subdued before it hurts someone. We kill or isolate dangerous animals. We kill or isolate dangerous viruses. We kill or isolate dangerous fires. It is clear that killing or isolating conservatives is the goal of these liberals.
  • zookbert
    ifticar, I recommend a quick read of this definition:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_proj...
  • davboz
    What he is responding to (in an admittedly kinda screwy sounding manner with just enough over-the-top dramatization to validate some of the "scary", "dangerous" tags) is a real and genuine spontaneous realization that it is too close to the majority of "Americans" whom are far removed from what used to make this country humdrum and genuine, boring and honest, compromising yet outspoken. There always seemed to be a solid middle as overwhelming majority that could be counted upon with your life ~ not to win you or the other guy the election ~ but to be sensible in its slow turning, reasonable in its self-correction, and to hold moral values that were not runaway leading indicators of the culture, in dragging it to extremes. I think Beck's a bit kooky but it is more than just "republicans" looking for salve to soothe defeat or reaching for the extremes in response to the election or whatever the perceptions are. There are genuine sensations of shock in the realization that there is not just a president, or an administration, or numerous politicos nationwide, or a significant minority ,or just a fleeting movement rounding up the whole party of neoliberals who have committed to abandoning the Constitution as a priority and a pre-requisite. It is not that they lost an election and maybe envision "the other guys" as owning the presidency for 8 yrs, the Congress for 8,...10,...12,...? yrs. There is the disorienting realization that "they". not as Republicans, but as people - no, Americans - have lost their country. And although it is presented as mainly happening in the last year, the wind of truth on the inside, blowing through the breaks in the self-acknowledged wall of denial, informs them that WE - all of us - have arrived near the bottom of that slippery slope, the warning about which often sounded like a broken record over the years. The absolute manifesting of a process, most sensed continuing on for the previous 35, 40, 50 years of life, in the schools and universities. Like a pain you learn to medicate or ignore over the years forgetting that pain usually means something is wrong and "progressing" and/or forgetting that medicating the pain has its own consequences and will really take you out of the fight. This realization is the sudden shock of the past 2 generations of impressionable minds being subjected to that "educational" indoctrination who now seem to have made themselves at home and in control with an ideology that would and ought to be seen as that of an intruder's. It is, contrary to the prevailing wisdom, not the passing of a neanderthal-like mindset and the coming of a new evolved human outlook. This is not the cold shower on the sensibilities. That is true progress of thought that all humankind is part of.That it is the nature and cause of the dread is a strawman.
    The dusky nature of this authentic and perfectly valid despair is beyond political parties (witness the similar efforts of both Bush and Obama to weaken the financial system and attain gov't control) although mostly under the scope of Democratic control.
    Bottom line - Yes, the messengers (Beck, Hannity, maybe others) give cause to see the whole matter as laughable and goofy.
    No, the actual sentiment and validity of cause for said concern (America within the framework of its Constitution) is not!
  • zzyzx123
    I'd say that the frequent usage of the word 'revolution' IS dangerous... and historically speaking, we've seen what happens when angry southern conservatives decide they've run out of political avenues to attaining their goals. See 1860.
  • dstokes
    Paranoid much?
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