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Levi Johnston: Just Another of Sarah Palin’s Discards

I remember reading in the weeks after John McCain named Sarah Palin as his running mate, that she was known in Alaska for using people and then discarding them when they were no longer a political asset for her.

I think that’s what’s happening to Levi Johnston right now. Actually, I think it’s happening to Bristol, too — but Sarah Palin is Bristol’s mother, so she cannot be kicked to the curb in the same public way. Mother Palin used the relationship between Levi Johnston and her daughter because she thought the narrative they represented — teenage daughter becomes pregnant, decides to keep the baby and marry the boyfriend, boyfriend gets a job to support his new family, etc., etc. — would resonate with her fundamentalist far right base. But notice that the marriage plans stuff always came from mom — never from the young lady who supposedly was getting married. Momma was writing the narrative as she went along.

Levi has said that Sarah Palin pushed him to participate in the campaign, and that the internal pressures of the campaign put stress on his relationship with Bristol. That, and the fact that Gov. Palin has insisted on publicizing every private conflict and family dysfunction that occurs (including having an official family spokesperson castigate Levi in the pages of People magazine for going on Tyra Banks and telling her audience what most likely is the truth: that Sarah Palin knew Bristol and Levi were having sex in the governor’s home and (obviously) let it go on). Was it cheesy for Levi to go on the Tyra Banks show and share these details with the world? Yeah, sure it was. But what adjective(s) should one apply to Sarah Palin — Bristol’s mother and Levi’s almost mother-in-law — attacking her daughter’s ex-boyfriend in the pages of a national magazine? I mean, what Levi did may have been immature, but for jeebus’s sake, he is 18 years old! And Sarah Palin is 45. In the annals of inappropriateness, I think a 45-year-old woman, a mother — and a mother-figure to her daughter’s boyfriend — lashing out in public at an 18-year-old kid because he said some stuff that embarrassed her is truly astonishing.

When I look at and listen to Levi Johnston, I see and hear a young man, barely out of childhood, who is reeling from the breakup of a serious romantic relationship, trying to manage his feelings about that, and the fact he is now a father, and wanting very badly to see his child and be part of his life, and all of this being played out in excruciating detail in public. It should be obvious to anyone with an ounce of compassion, not to mention common sense, that it would be much, much more difficult for an 18-year-old to handle such adult pressures in a consistently mature way than it would be (or should be) for a 45-year-old woman, for god’s sake.

I think her behavior is unforgivable. As a mother — and a mother whose child is in that same age group — I am just appalled. And I feel very bad for both Bristol and Levi — yes, even though I don’t know them.

And it seems I am not the only one (emphasis mine):

Erickson [Erick Erickson, of RedState], a Palin defender, believes Levi is bashing the Alaska Governor to make money. Palin critics like Andrew [Sullivan] and Amanda Marcotte are relishing the Johnston-Palin brouhaha as an example of Republican class politics backfiring. But I think this whole situation is a lot more basic than that. If you watch Levi’s interviews with Tyra Banks and CBS, what you’ll see is a kid who had a baby and then had a falling out with the baby’s mother (and her mother) and is now desperate to still play a role in his son’s life–which is something his son’s mom and her family don’t seem very eager for him to do. I realize that the prominence of the people involved makes this a very tabloid-ish tale, but I think it’s a human one, too. And I wish the left and the right would remember that as they turn this family feud into spectator sport. (Fat chance, I know.)

And again, in a later post:

… At the end of the day, I do blame Sarah Palin for all this. As I’ve written before, I think she put her own ambition ahead of her family’s interests when she accepted McCain’s offer to be his running mate, since she had to know that, by doing so, she’d be subjecting her pregnant teenage daughter to the sort of media scrutiny (and ridicule) no one should ever bring upon her own child.

  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Oh Kathy, watch out.

    The DPPL (Defend Poor Palin League) will soon be filling these comment spaces, not with facts, but with unsubstantiated attacks on you, your column and all those vicious Palin-hating liberals.
  • Braindead
    So what is the point exactly of attacking the governor of Alaska for being miffed at her daughters ex boyfriend who knocked her daughter up and then decided not to marry her?

    What exactly is the point of continuing to beat on the Sarah Palin express?

    We all know what the point is dont we. YOU hate her. You despise her. You puke at the site of her and the sound of her name. You cannot get enough hatred for the Lady onto your web pages.

    Well I for one commend you for your hatred of Sarah Palin. Its good to hate and despise someone that you do not even know. It makes you feel strong and important. You can go to bed tonight knowing that you somehow managed to diminish a life who is a repugnant member of the opposition party who happens to disagree with you politically and therefore they should be castigated.

    I commend you on a great job. You do your work well. The journolisting just keeps on doing its dirty work as the march to a fascist America takes another tiny step forward with your work here tonight.

    Kudos and a job well done.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    And kudos and a job well done to you, too, braindead, for disagreeing so much with the "oppositon party" that you find that

    "It will be fitting to watch the demise of the greatest capitalist nation on earth implode under the weight of its own greed.

    I'm buying my popcorn and a new TV just so I can watch the implosion in style."
  • becpt
    Those who complain about being discarded by Sarah Palin in Alaskan politics are sore losers.

    Levi Johnston is out to get his 15 minutes of fame. A real man would just help raise his son and not go on TV and do a tell all. The reason the Palins are being very careful about Levi taking his son to his own home is because Levi's mom was recently arrested on drug charges. It would be smart to keep a baby out of those circumstances. He complains about Bristol being in a bad mood all the time, well hello!, the baby probably doesn't sleep at night and she is trying to finish up with school. No wonder she dumped him.
  • TLR001
    Ms. Kattenberg needs to direct her outrage at the Daily Kos. They were the ones who brought a private teenage relationship to national attention -- disregarding all standards of journalistic ethics in the process.

    Governor Palin simply kept doing her job -- brilliantly as usual. On the heels of this unethical filth, she made her national debut with a speech at the Republican National Convention that knocked America's socks off. Democrats, Republicans, Independents alike -- everyone was impressed. And yes, she defended her family in the process. As she continues to do now -- and rightly, necessarily so.

    The only unforgivable behavior in this situation belongs to the Daily Kos -- and all their myriad ilk -- who attacked this couple in the first place, placed enormous strain on their young relationship, and entirely violated the line between public official and private citizen -- and for minors, at that. They are a sorry excuse for reporters.
  • DrToast
    Very impressive, D. E.Rodriguez.
  • TrixieBelden
    Thank you, Kathy. Great post.
  • kathyedits
    Oh Kathy, watch out.

    I was expecting it, so I'm not surprised. Your supportive comments always make me smile, though, so don't stop. :-)

    And thanks to you, too, TrixieBelden. I love your user name. I used to work in the children's dept. of a Barnes & Noble, so I actually know the reference! :-)
  • tmcmahan
    Kathy, you really have no idea what this situation is about. Levi and family did not fly to New York on their own, nor did Tyra Banks pay for it. It was paid for by Democratic politicians in Alaska in an attempt to embarrass Governor Palin. Of course she has every right to respond on behalf of her daughter and herself as anyone would under these circumstances. Levi has made a poor choice. He has sold out on his in-laws for money. He is making a greivous mistake because he clearly loves his son and he clearly still cares for Bristol. How can he ever think that his actions will get him any closer to his loved ones. He has created a confrontation that will be very difficult to repair.

    But the point is, Levi was led into this by political malefactors of Governor Palin who planned and paid for this media event.
    Governor Palin is responding appropriately and you are not.
  • Rudi
    So much for trailer park family values. It wasn't like the Republicans didn't parade out pregger Bristol and Levi to push the "big happy family". Even McClown had a parade at the airport. So, it seems all sides are using these kids for political purposes.

    Levi and family did not fly to New York on their own, nor did Tyra Banks pay for it.
    If you make a claim like this, please supply links to prove your assertions.
  • StockBoySF
    TLR001: "On the heels of this unethical filth, she made her national debut with a speech at the Republican National Convention that knocked America's socks off. Democrats, Republicans, Independents alike -- everyone was impressed."

    Palin's speech impressed the Republicans more than anyone and while the well-crafted speech wasn't all that bad.... after that it was all downhill for Palin, including encouraging so much hatred towards Obama that her audience members were shouting death threats. And she did not bother to put a stop to it until the media outcry was so loud and it was obvious from her poll numbers that it was hurting her chances. Plus I'm sure the Secret Service had a few things to say to her about it. Great leader that Palin. Must have picked them up along with her mothering skills....
  • Janjanjan
    I am not a Sarah Palin fan. I also doubt that Democrats orchestrated the Tyra Banks interview. But this isn't about Sarah Palin. What I see is a young man and woman who fell into and out of love, ended up having a child when they were too young and unprepared, and found all their laundry hanging in the public domain. It is no wonder that Levi turns to a public forum to play out the role that he and million of other young people have lived before--the bewildered kid who finds his love has turned to garbage. It's sad and frustrating for him and for Bristol. They made choices, which have lifelong repercussions for which neither was prepared. They are more fortunate than many in similar situations, but it sure isn't easy to be 18 and have an infant totally dependent on you and have a less-than-ideal relationship with that child's other parent.
  • StockBoySF
    I think there's a double standard on men and women here. Men use people all the time. Yet when a mother wipes her butt with someone it's shocking. It really goes against our thought of the nurturing mother who raises her kids and protects them.

    I agree with "becpt" that those who complain about being used by Palin are sore losers. But I disagree with becpt's comment in regards to Levi, "A real man would just help raise his son and not go on TV and do a tell all." First of all (and this is the point of Kathy's post) Levi is not a man.... he's still a teenager who needs a grown-up in his life to teach him what to do. The grown-up in his life WHO HAS CONTROLLED HIS LIFE has been Sarah Palin and now that she is finished with him she discarded him, at the very time her responsibility is just beginning. I don't mean the Palin should raise the baby.... that is what Bristol and Levi should do. But Sarah Palin should be a real adult and give her teenage family members advice on raising her grandchild. That's what parents do.

    I don't condone Levi's public statements... Palin made his life very hard (first by forcing him to get engage to Bristol, then by taking the baby away from him) and thrusting him into the spotlight. Every rag in America is probably after Levi's story so I'm surprised he hasn't made more public statements. But once Palin used Levi she dumped him, rather than talk with him and give him guidance.

    As to the comments about Levi's mother being arrested on drug charges... These sorts of issues just don't pop up overnight so I'm sure that Palin knew about Levi's mother all along. Which makes Palin look even more frightful.... that she would be willing to let her daughter marry Levi if it meant a shot at the White House, but she's not willing to let her daughter marry Levi because his mother is a drug addict. In other words Palin is willing to sacrifice the well being of her children for the chance to be VP.

    At any rate, I agree with Kathy's post and we should have compassion for him and everything that he is going through, much of which is caused by Sarah Palin not making the mature adult choices to help him grow into a responsible young man.

    After all it was Palin herself who claimed she could raise a family (including a newborn) and be Vice President of the United States with no conflicts or problems. Seems she can't even talk responsibly to her own (almost) son-in-law. Imagine her talking to world leaders. If she had become VP, for the true story about what happened between her and some world leader we'd have to go to the National Enquirer.
  • Libertah
    >> D. E.Rodriguez
    "Palin-hating liberals"
    Yep, that would be you.
    Why else are you hear? You got a fev ah, and the only cure is some hate. I really do feel bad about your self esteem issues. Try some Oprah, I heard she's selling HOPE these days.
  • Libertah
    I must say I find all of this analysis of the Governor and her family by liberals that hate them intriguing. Exactly what is your point of reference. A news media that openly declared war on Governor Palin after her acceptance speech at the RNC? Brian Williams via Joe Klein....look it up.
    Do you all know this family? Ah, and another question, why does KATHY KATTENBURG care so much???????
  • Lit3Bolt
    From a strategic standpoint, using Bristol and Levi as props and trotting them out and making marriage plans for them made them fair game for the media. It's amusing to see some Republicans are so busy defending Palin's disgusting behavior that they forget they make the sign of the cross when someone mentions Clinton's name or gleefully burn trash simply to "get back" at Al Gore or use Obama's name to hush a crying child. Palin made "traditional" family her schtick, and now it's blowing up in her face and all the sordid details are oozing out of the corpse of the 2008 republican campaign.

    There was a much better way to handle her daughter's pregnancy, and that would've been to simply stonewall it and say family matters are family matters. Just look at what happened to Kerry/Edwards when they brought up the horrifying fact that Dick Cheny has a gay daughter (who's destined to fall shrieking into Hell, natch). Dick Cheny may be a vile Elder Demon from the 666th layer of the Abyss but his response to a potentially embarrassing attack ("Dick's a Republican and thus must naturally despise his own child!") was very appropriate, and he told Edwards to back the f**k off. Conservatives cheered and celebrated a smackdown. So it was completely unnecessary to utterly mortify two 18 year olds on a national stage, expose them to the vicious gossip queens of the world (like Sully), and then just expect the ex-boyfriend and young father to not try to milk his 15 minutes.

    So again, Kathy's and other peoples' point stands: Palin made the choice to use her family as a prop for a campaign, and thus deserves the majority of the blame for the continuing fallout.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Libertah:

    Do you have any similar comments on the Obama hate-fest presently abounding among Republicans---and by far exceeding the Palin dislike?
  • RevDave
    Wow, Palin supporters are just a tad touchy on this subject.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    I doubt anyone considers me a member of some Palin fan club, but I think these teenagers should be left alone.

    Especially by anyone who wants to be taken seriously.
  • CStanley
    First of all (and this is the point of Kathy's post) Levi is not a man.... he's still a teenager who needs a grown-up in his life to teach him what to do. The grown-up in his life WHO HAS CONTROLLED HIS LIFE has been Sarah Palin

    I was with you up until this point, Stockboy. Sarah Palin's main parental responsibility is to her own daughter and grandchild. Levi has parents of his own, who apparently haven't done a very good job.

    And if he's not man enough at 18 to father a child, there was a point in time at which he could have chosen not to risk being one.

    I have to wonder how much of this is about prochoicers' betraying their underlying feelings toward young women who choose to have babies when they become pregnant instead of making the choice that they believe is correct. Aren't some of the people who are defending Levi on the basis of his youth really saying that it was unfair of Bristol and her family to have imposed fatherhood on him before he's ready? And aren't those of us who support the prolife decision actually saying, "Too bad, Levi, it's time to grow up now just as Bristol has to- she had no other choice since she believed that the product of your sexual relationship with her is a child which she could not in good conscience abort."

    Why is it that when teenaged sex is discussed, people say that adults shouldn't condescend, we should accept that the kids are ready and need to be treated as adults who can consent- but then when a baby results from that union, all of a sudden we're supposed to sympathize with the youthful inability to take on responsibility of parenthood?
  • CStanley
    I totally disagree that Palin chose to use her children as props. She was forced to put them in the limelight because others were already doing so. However, I do agree with that quote that Kathy included from redstate- that I personally feel it was wrong for Palin to have accepted the nomination under the circumstances because it was inevitable that her family would be put in the spotlight in this way.
  • CStanley
    Do you have any similar comments on the Obama hate-fest presently abounding among Republicans---and by far exceeding the Palin dislike?

    I can't believe that anyone seriously thinks that Obama Derangement has hit the heights of PDS in any mainstream source. Obama's been the subject of a lot of the usual fringe conspiracists, but nothing in the mainstream has compared with, for instance, Andrew Sullivan's deranged ravings about Palin's family.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    CS Have you llistened to Fox's Sean Hannity et al lately?
  • CStanley
    I don't listen to Hannity much at all, but what specifically is he saying that you object to, DE? I don't recall any sliming of Obama personally or attacks on his family as have been made on Palin's family.

    Even what I'd consider the worst of the Obama criticisms have had at least a tangential relationship to his policies (speculating whether or not he agreed with the objectionable stuff that Rev. Wright said, for instance, or conspiratorial concerns about him being a Manchurian candidate, or what I consider completely misguided questions about whether or not he's a 'natural born citizen'.) Those things have all been discussed in objectionable ways, but there's at least a tie in with stuff that people can legitimately question of a politician.

    But I haven't seen people digging up divorce records of female acquaintances of Obama, or claiming that his children aren't his own, or anything that approaches that level of absurdity at all.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    CS

    I object to, among other, Hannity calling our President a socialist, a Marxist, someone who wants to destroy our country, still attempting to paint him as paling around with terrorists, etc., etc.

    I know you guys feel this is "justified," so let's just agree to disagree on that.
  • CStanley
    I just edited my previous post before I read yours- and I'll reiterate- I do find some of that objectionable in tone but because it relates to policy (instead of being completely gratuitous personal attacks on him or his family), it's still of a different category altogether. If people had said that Palin's governance was dangerous in some way to our country's existence, I'd have disagreed with that but would have considered it normal, accepted political disagreement.
  • Braindead
    I know We Conservatives are scum. Posts like this just continue to point out how unworthy we are to breath the air on this planet. Im thinking a good old fashion inquistion would be in order. Wait thats what they want.

    They want the demise of the GOP so that they can march the road to a facist America. Oh pardon me while I buy some more popcorn and watch the hate filled left ooze righteous contempt for anyone who would dare speak up, comment or attempt to make a point.

    But lets do a brief history lesson here............BUSH..was hitler, a nazi, Chimperor in chief, Shrub, Liar...etc...etc...etc.

    Now Obama is president and the left is livid to the point of marching to the facist drum over it.

    How is this different? How is this different? How is this different? Why? Bang the drum slowly as America slowly dies under the thumb of Fascism.

    Fascism is the root of the democratics ills. They are fascists. Pure and simple and the sooner THEY realize it the sooner we will all be a bit better off.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Wow, CS, so calling the President of the United States a Marxist is "a different category"...it's "not personal"

    As I said, let's just agree to disagree on this.
  • StockBoySF
    CStanley: "I was with you up until this point, Stockboy. Sarah Palin's main parental responsibility is to her own daughter and grandchild. Levi has parents of his own, who apparently haven't done a very good job. And if he's not man enough at 18 to father a child, there was a point in time at which he could have chosen not to risk being one."

    Many twelve year olds can become fathers yet I don't think we would consider them mature enough to be adults who should go around getting girls (yes, girls- kids their same age) pregnant. Just because one can do the deed doesn't mean that you're ready for the responsibility.

    But as far as Levi taking responsibility.... I thought he was. He and Bristol were engaged to be married and didn't he also drop out of high school? The responsibility here is both of the parents and Palin pointed out when the engagement was announced that Bristol and Levi were models because they were taking responsibility.

    Now that Palin no longer needs Levi she has turned her back on him. It's one thing for Palin to insist on the kids taking responsibility when the VP is at stake. It's another thing to treat him like an enemy and smear him.

    Sarah Palin is the adult and while Levi and Bristol both made a mistake when she became pregnant, it Sarah, Todd (and Levi's family) who are lacking their own responsibility to their children. Sarah Palin herself believes that children should be raised in a heterosexual marriage, and she believes that teens should abstain from sex.... yet when it comes to living her own life, raising her own family and setting a good example she certainly is good at being a hypocrite.

    I think Sarah Palin is just plain messy.
  • CStanley
    As you wish, DE. Last I checked, Marxism was a political philosophy even if it's incorrectly applied to Obama.

    You truly don't see a distinction between political criticisms (even inaccurate ones, or ones that have negative connotations) and personal attacks on politicians and their families? Seriously?
  • dudeski
    I am a European and I was quite surprised to see Palin turn up in my newspaper once again. I thought she had disappeared from the international media. But sadly, she did not.

    After seeing the fragment where he is interviewed by Tyra Banks, I can't say I really like the Johnston-kid. But his claims to be around his kid seem to be legitimate. I find it very, very strange that the conservatives and Republicans among you think so badly of this young man, as he has sought (Yes, sought, I haven't seen any evidence turn up that someone put him in the spotlight, so I assume he chose to do it himself) media attention to enforce his claims to be involved in his son's life. I do not approve of the method, but I can imagine it was the most efficient way. If Palin had reacted otherwise than calling him a liar and started a dialogue. He put the ball in her camp (with the whole country, and now world, watching).

    Johnston and Bristol Palin have been pushed in the media spotlight by mother Palin. I think that Dick Cheney's way off dealing with this was more ethical.

    I find it hard, even impossible, to believe that none of his opponents have tried to discredit Obama, they just didn't find enough to effectively damage his campaign. The mud slinging has been a part of both Democrat and Republican campaigns for years, usually it were the Republicans that did it best. This time, none of the candidates threw much dirt, it were mainly the media that took care of that. And they still do. It is sad that such a powerful nation barely has any neutral media, I can't stand to watch Fox as it is so darn Republican. I do read NYTimes.com, but sometimes the Democratic stance bothers me. I do prefer Democratic policy over Republican, but it is not part of the media's task to take a stand, less it be in columns or editorial articles.

    This article, though clearly written by a Democrat, was rather nice. The author did not unnecessarily attack Palin and is critical about Johnston. I find it strange that so many Americans still support Palin, and that those people defend her constantly. Try to take a neutral stance, whatever your background may be, and than judge what was said, not who said it.
  • StockBoySF
    As far as the comments on whether Palin used her family as props.... I really can't say but I tend to think she did, including using the Bristol/Levi engagement as a way of showing the world that her family could take responsibility for their actions.... I saw way more of the Palins in the short time they were on stage (literally and figuratively) then of Barack's two girls in his much longer campaign.

    But part of it may have to do with Barack wanting privacy and protecting his children. Also part of it is a delicate balancing act which I'm sure both Palin and Obama struggled with. On the one hand your family is your family and they can't be expected to campaign with you all the time or be the center of attention. On the other hand they are your family and to the extent that you're campaigning for either position (Prez or VP) the public needs to know about your family and how you raise them.

    So while I can't say whether or not Palin used her family as props (though I think she probably did a little) I can say that Obama has done a much better job at balancing the demands of the campaign and spending time with his family. He has a great family and has gone about raising them responsibly. I love the fact that at the beginning of the campaign he explained to his girls what was going on and that he would make it up to them by getting them a dog. He also consulted with his wife before campaigning and got her to agree to go along with it. It really seemed like a give and take on his part with his family. I don't get that sense from Palin because McCain had only met her once or twice before and if I remember correctly when McCain offered her the running mate slot she took it right away.... Not much time to talk to your family and really think through what a decision like this means and how it would change their lives.
  • CStanley
    Personally I think the public demanded to know more about Palin's family than they did about Obamas- which was partly because of the double standard (women are questioned much more about how they will handle the dual role of motherhood and career) and partly because Palin's family is atypical (larger than most families now, and she had just given birth, etc) and because of the left wing mudslinging job which forced her to defend her family. She did, I suppose, choose to defend them by putting them in the spotlight (perhaps even going as far as you suggest, Stockboy, of trying to turn it into a political advantage instead of liability by saying "look at us, taking responsibility") but if you look at the timeline that all came after all of the rumormongering so to me it seems that Palin probably didn't attend to put her family in the forefront until after that happened. She may have made the wrong choice about how to defend against the attacks, but it strikes me as blaming the victim to criticize her for the way she handled it when she couldn't have expected the severity and nastiness of it all IMO (I certainly NEVER would have imagined, if I'd been in her situation, that my own pregnancy would be questioned like that, which is what triggered people even finding out about Bristol's pregnancy.)

    And as far as her now not supporting Levi- it seems to me that you presume that she was only supporting the marriage for politically calculated reasons and that's why she now has abandoned that support. I think at least equally plausible is the idea that like most mothers in that situation, she's feeling her way through it one step at a time and first attempted to have the father of her daughter's baby take responsibility through marriage but then perhaps has thought better of even encouraging that if the boy in question isn't going to be able to step up to do so.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    CS

    Would you like to be called a Marxist, or a Fascist---even "inaccurately"?
  • CStanley
    Sarah Palin herself believes that children should be raised in a heterosexual marriage, and she believes that teens should abstain from sex.... yet when it comes to living her own life, raising her own family and setting a good example she certainly is good at being a hypocrite.

    I find these kinds of assertions so bizarre. She can't be a hypocrite for what her daughter does- she has the same limited control over that as any other parent. The only way you could claim that someone's a hypocrite in that sort of situation would be if they publicly professed that they believe teens should abstain but then privately actually condone it (say, inviting the daughter's boyfriend to sleep over or giving them other unsupervised opportunities, knowingly and purposefully, to have sex.) I really don't see anything that Sarah Palin has done which doesn't comport with the values that she publicly professes. You can certainly have your own opinion about whether she's handling things in the best manner, but there's no hypocrisy in being wrong (and if you know of a perfect parent, please do let me know who it is because I've made my share of mistakes and every parent that I know has as well.)
  • CStanley
    DE: No, just as I suppose George W. Bush didn't like the vast array of names that he was called. But the ones that have to do with political positions are part and parcel of being a politician. Since you began this discussion by asking whether or not another person applies their criticism evenly across the board, I'll turn that back on you- were you similarly critical of Keith Olbermann and his ilk in the way they discussed Bush?
  • Braindead
    CStanley

    The frightening aspect of all this is they do not see a distinction. They believe that its perfectly acceptable to attack a mother and her Downs syndrome child and smear someone beyond all good conscience. After all its how you get into power.

    Well fine. The election is over and now they are still going after not just Sarah Palin but her family.

    They do not see their own evil. But then I guess we conservatives deserve it. We are evil hitler loving, gun toting Nazis who want to conquer the world. We deserve to be put in gulags and an Inquistion held to purge us of our political positions.

    Conservatives are evil rotten scum. I rather suspect that if the left had their way they would like to line us all up and shoot us.

    Sorta reminds me of 1855 and Pre Civil war America. Neither side sees the others points, refuses to compromise and is fueled by hate.
  • CStanley
    Braindead: I think people are often capable of seeing much more than they are willing to publicly admit. I hope that my comments provoke some thoughtful reflection- and I honestly don't think the tone of your comments tends to lead to that kind of reflection.

    Perhaps Dorian did criticize the Bush hate speech and I just wasn't paying enough attention. Or perhaps he sees some reason why it was justified then but not now (as, apparently, he thinks optimism is the required patriotic mode now, though I also don't recall anyone taking that stance here during the Bush administration.) Or perhaps he does see that his feelings on how people on the right are reacting to Obama are triggered because he supports Obama and his policies, while the people on the right felt similarly that the attacks on Bush were harmful to our country's best interests then.
  • casualobserver
    The most admirable quality of lefty bloggers is that they continue to flail away so fervently despite their complete lack of effectiveness...........

    Newsweek Poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International. March 4-5, 2009. N=1,203 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.5. RV = registered voters

    "Next, as I read you the names of some people in politics, please tell me if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of each one. If I mention someone you never heard of before this interview, just tell me. What about Sarah Palin?"

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    3/4-5/09
    44 42 3 11
    10/22-23/08 RV
    44 46 1 9
    10/8-9/08 RV
    49 45 1 5
    9/10-11/08 RV
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  • DaGoat
    First to clarify, I think Sarah Palin is an unqualified twit who only gained the VP nomination because of her demographics. I think she is bad for the GOP and the less they notice her the better.

    But let's see these endless Palin family posts for what they are. There is nothing the left loves more than knocking a Christian conservative (I am not Christian if that matters) off their pedestal and portraying them as hypocrites, even if it means dragging babies, children and families into it. This is tabloid stuff, not news. It only perpetuates the partisan tone that has replaced political discussion.

    Are conservatives equally petty at times - definitely. But this dragging families into political threads is something that should be discouraged.
  • kathyedits
    I hope that my comments provoke some thoughtful reflection- and I honestly don't think the tone of your comments tends to lead to that kind of reflection.

    Kudos to you for this, Christine.
  • Piney
    In Levi Johnston's 'tell all' journey, he stated he began sharing Bristol's (Palin) bed a few weeks before the birth of their child.

    The swarmy journalists have touted this info as an indicator that Governor Palin is somehow a bad mother. Once the deed had been done, with an engagement announced, it is not within the realm of what we, as mothers would want but it is beyond a mother's control.

    There is a real question of how an unemployed child, his sister and his mother could afford to fly for all of the 'tell all' sessions. With felony counts against Mrs. Johnston and the new info she has hired a new attorney, one must wonder where all the money IS coming from?
  • HAHAHAHA 42 comments (43 counting mine). I don't have time for this so hope it's been a fun thread.
  • Lit3Bolt
    Braindead is hilarious. I love the "conservatives as helpless victims" meme. The MSM is obviously a Lovecraftian Horror, libs wants to kill all conservative babies, and Obama is in negotiations with The Adversary to invert the Constitution into the One World Government. The black helicopters are circling, and only hats made out of tinfoil will keep the Obamanites from taking over your brain with their mind controlling earwigs.

    It's just so funny that people (including liberals) automatically assume the worst of our government the instant the opposition party takes over. Does every police officer, FBI agent, and military officer suddenly switch allegiances from Democrat to Republican and back again? Maybe this assumption is a side effect of the Imperial Presidency and a natural fear of the grotesque amount of power ANY President wields.
  • Braindead
    Lit3Bolt

    It is simple Lit. Conservatives must die. That is what the democrats are attempting to do now. Drive the stake into our hearts by painting us with lie after lie after lie. But then we deserve it because we all know we are hitler loving, Gun Toting, War mongering rich people who have gainned our conservative roots on the backs of slave labor.

    We are pond scum. Thank you for pointing that out to us.
  • Hot212
    Just pure BS Kathy.........Here's a hint for you, just because a random thought comes into your head doesn't mean you have post it.

    I've read a LOT of tripe in my life, but this ranks up there with the worst.

    Let's face it, you are ate up with PDS and typical liberal hate. It's all you got.

    Your writing sucks so bad it's pathetic. Especially how you keep building up strawmen like "the far right fundamentalist base". Are you really THAT stupid?

    It's obvious that you know absolutely NOTHING about Sarah Palin, her base of supporters, or how she governs. Nope, you are just a typical dumb liberal blogger who gets her talking points from the DNC, and runs with it.

    Pathetic.

    There is NOTHING in Governor Palin's record that even remotely suggests that she governs as anything but a strict constitutionalist, and a pragmatic leader. I've been watching her for a long time, and while any leader is driven by their convictions, there is no record of her putting her convictions over the Constitution of Alaska.

    As for the kids, why is it only Republican children are fair game? And why is it only bad when a Republican proudly involves their family?

    What about Barack Obama? He "paraded" his kids around! Using your pretzel logic and sick mind, tell me what HE was trying to achieve? What was HIS motive?

    Of course, only liberals think this way.

    I look at Obama (a man I cannot stomach) with his kids, and see a family, nothing more.

    But you liberal twits see Governor Palin and her big beautiful family, and start assigning motives. And you wonder why people hate liberals so much. (which is why you have to hide as a "moderate")

    It's obvious that Bristol Palin made a big mistake hooking up with this kid. She's not the first, won't be the last. But what this kid is doing, trying to cash in at the expense of the Governor, and her family is despicable.

    Instead of trashing Palin, you should be aiming your arrows at this kid who thinks it's alright to kiss and tell. For a fee!

    Just pathetic, sad, and lazy writing. A complete waste of bandwidth.
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