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Why North Korea Is Scary

As many media outlets have reported it appears that North Korea has successfully tested their new rocket which could allow them to eventually send warheads as far away as Alaska or Hawaii. The technology will also allow them to develop larger weapons that could develop into ICBM’s which would reach around the world.

On the surface the threats presented by this technology are obvious as the leader of North Korea is, by the most generous standards, certifiably insane and willing to kill millions to achieve his goals. Just like Hitler or Stalin or Mao, this kind of utter insanity threatens to destablize the planet. But North Korea is scary for a much bigger reason.

In Germany, Russia and China there were, and in the case of China still are, people who opposed the leadership of the dictator. While they were patriots and did what they needed to support their country there were people, often near the top of the leadership, who would be willing to draw a line in the sand when things went too far.

This is why there were underground and opposition movements in each country. But in North Korea such a movement is lacking and the reasons behind that are what scare me the most.

When you look at Germany or Russia you find that both countries had at least some history of democracy and free speech. Or when you looked at Eastern Europe during the 1970’s and 1980’s they had access to information from the outside world. Even in China today there are places like Hong Kong and cities like Shanghai that provide some outlet to the outside world.

None of those things apply to North Korea.

Consider the history of this poor nation and it’s even poorer people.  Starting in 1900 the entire Korean nation was conquered by Japan and enslaved for 45 years. The people knew nothing of the outside world other than oppression and starvation. So their view of the outside world is hardly a positive one (for those over the age of 70 that is, as they are the only ones who would be around to remember).

For those under the age of 70 there is no memory of anything but the regime of the two Kims (well other than the memory of the outsiders blowing you up during the war). Everything they have ever heard, read or seen is what the government wanted them to hear.

There is no outside radio, television or other media. No internet, no books other than those written by the leader, no lessons in school other than those approved by the leader, etc. If you consider someone was born in 1940 in North Korea, they had a child in 1965 and that child had a child in 1990. We now have three generations aged 68, 44 and 18 (and thus fairly soon a 4th generation) who have never heard or read anything other than the glories of North Korea and the two Kims.

I am not sure we in the west can possibly comprehend the degree to which this indoctrination has settled in because I am not sure there is anything so universally accepted by our society. Even among the strongest supporters of President Obama there is a line that he can’t cross in terms of his actions. No matter how much you think he is good there are some things you would not support.

Perhaps the only thing we could compare it to is the common acceptance in the US that democracy itself is a good idea, or that abusing children is bad. Imagine a society where people feel that strongly about the idea that the President is always right.

As a result we face a real problem in terms of dealing with North Korea. Going into Nazi Germany we knew that once the war started going against them that many people would rise up to fight against Hilter. We knew that his support rested more on fear than love. This is not true in North Korea, there the people truly would fight to the death. I am not sure even Japan would have compared.

With that in mind, the fact that they may soon have the ability to nuke anywhere on the planet is VERY scary.

  • Don Quijote
    With that in mind, the fact that they may soon have the ability to nuke anywhere on the planet is VERY scary.


    As opposed to the US with it's thousands of Nukes, more than enough to destroy Human Civilization, a history of invading defenseless foreign countries and toppling regimes that it doesn't like...
  • cynicalone
    What are you saying Mr. Tilting at Windmills?
    You expect the President, Mr. Obama, to destroy human civilization.
    What country do you expect Obama to invade?
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Sorry, DQ, but trying to make an equivalency argument between any American President and the "leadership" of North Korea is in fact, loony.
  • It depends on how you define "success". If "success" is "better than the last one", then yes, it was a success. If you define success as "actually achieving one's goals", then the answer is no. The second stage apparently failed at some point, and the satellite that they were launching has apparently not acheived orbit. Although I doubt the satellite was ever really a concern for the DPRK. Still, they obviously have reliability issues with this latest one, which makes me doubt the necessity for all this hubbub over the launch. I doubt that they can reach the U.S. yet. Besides, even once they have a reliable missile, they need to fiddle with the nukes that they have and manage to mount them onto the actual missiles. And even then, it would take gobs of money to have anything close to our nuclear arsenal, so at least Pyongyang will be radioactive ash if they attack us.
  • kathyedits
    Here is what I'm most scared of regarding North Korea: I'm scared of what North Korea might be able to do as a result of the fact that the U.S. has absolutely no political or moral leverage to stop it as it once might have had, before Bush 43. There are two young women being held in NK right now -- American journalists who were working on a story about refugees from NK -- whom nobody seems to mention and everybody seems to have forgotten. But I don't think that the reason nobody mentions Euna Lee and Laura Ling is because they've been forgotten. I think the reason nobody mentions them is because there is absolutely no f**king thing the U.S. government can do to persuade the North Korean government that holding two Americans in arbitrary detention with no legal representation and under inhumane conditions is unacceptable.

    And I think we ALL know why that is.
  • StockBoySF
    Of course the missile launch was a success and they achieved their goal (which is different than the stated goal, which was given as an excuse to test military hardware).... Even if it bombed (pun intended) the results will let the North Koreans fine tune their engineering and next time the launch will be better. The notion of North Korea putting a communications satellite in orbit is laughable. What do they need a communications satellite for? So their citizens can get better reception on their cell phones? So they can communicate across the many times zones in their country? So they can tap into the high definition broadcasts of other satellites so their citizens can view the very best on the high def TVs? I suppose the only reason they might need a communications is satellite is for the military.

    As to the rest of the post... Very good point about the North Koreans being indoctrinated.... However many North Koreans maintain ties with their South Korean relatives and do try to escape.

    Having said that.... I think that 95 or 99 % of all NK men were in the military at some point.... a good way to indoctrinate them and teach them to follow orders. Certainly not many people will take a chance to go against the government with the threat of losing what meager provisions they have to survive. With the entire population tied to the military it is next to impossible to get an opposition movement started. I wonder how many opposition movements the government has squelched....
  • Don Quijote
    Sorry, DQ, but trying to make an equivalency argument between any American President and the "leadership" of North Korea is in fact, loony.


    Really?

    Let's take a short stroll down history lane:
    1953: US overthrows Mossadeq Government, trains the SAVAK.
    1954: US overthrows Arbenz Government, kicks of twenty year civil war.
    1960's: US invades Vietnam, kills 3 million.
    1960's: US carpet bombs Laos.
    1965: US supplies death list to Suharto's government, half a million die.
    1973:US overthrows Allende Government, puts Pinochet in power.
    1970's:US Backs the Argentinian Generals who are running death squads and disappearing people left & right.
    1980's:US trains & supplies death squads in El Salvador.
    1980's:US trains & supply the contras who are busy killing civilians like there is no tomorrow.
    1990's:US invades Iraq.
    2002:US invades Afghanistan.
    2002:US attempts to overthrow Chavez.
    2003: US re-invades Iraq, leads to the death of at least half a million civilians.
    2004:US overthrows Aristide government.

    And these are just some of the highlights of the last half century...
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