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Is Population Control Even Possible?

Over in the U.K. there are ideas being floated regarding reducing the nation’s population to roughly 30 million, roughly what it was during the Victorian era. Unfortunately, the argument is made in terms of environmental impact.

JONATHON PORRITT, one of Gordon Brown’s leading green advisers, is to warn that Britain must drastically reduce its population if it is to build a sustainable society.

Porritt’s call will come at this week’s annual conference of the Optimum Population Trust (OPT), of which he is patron.

The trust will release research suggesting UK population must be cut to 30m if the country wants to feed itself sustainably.

Porritt said: “Population growth, plus economic growth, is putting the world under terrible pressure.

The “unfortunate” aspect of this is that as soon as you mention anything to do with the environment you invoke the ire of certain Right wing elements. For one example, Cassy Fiano at Right Wing News refers to supporters of such ideas as “environmental moonbats” but then goes on to actually ask one of the more pressing questions. How does a nation accomplish such a goal even if everyone agrees that it’s required?

How would they do such a thing? The first thing that comes to mind, obviously, is to kill off the excess. But maybe they aren’t that bloodthirsty, and so they do the next most despicable thing. They go for forcible relocation. Half of the residents of Britain would be forced to leave, all for the good of Mother Earth.

As a brief side note I’d like to ask one question. How did the GOP become the anti-environment party? I understand that there’s a lot of disagreement about the cause and effect of climate change, but these days it seems as if you can’t even mention things like not dumping your trash on the side of the road or ask if it might be good to reduce smokestack emissions without being classified as the enemy. That’s one battle of optics which the Democrats won without having to take the field.

But back to the question at hand, population control is yet another third rail in politics across the industrialized world. Is it ever something that’s desirable? And if so, is there any way short of China style draconian measures to bring it about? The planet currently supports at least ten times as many human beings as it could in the pre-technological era. In times past, you could only have the number of people which the land could support in any given area. We weren’t able to grow all that much food on any given area and transporting it over great distances in large volumes was impossible. Keeping a city the size of first century Rome running was a massive undertaking which frequently resulted in widespread famine.

Today we use technology and cheap fossil fuels to overcome those limitations and stuff massive numbers of people into urban areas. But if that vast machinery breaks down, even briefly, the cities would empty and death would stalk the land again. But as Fiano asks, how does one accomplish that goal? History has shown us that public education and the good will of the citizens certainly doesn’t seem to do it. But what person in their right mind (at least in the Western world) would want to even consider the kind of government regulation and tyranny required to impose a directive from the Federal government?

The population used to correct itself periodically. The black plague wiped out roughly one third of the population of the known world (read: Europe and Western Asia) as it swept across the land during the dark ages. The flu knocked out as much as ten percent as recently as the early 20th century. Crop failures and cyclical cold snaps starved people to death across wide regions prior to the industrial revolution.

Perhaps that’s the only thing which could reduce the population today as well. But do we need to? Some problems are probably too large for us to wrap our heads around.

  • Don Quijote
    Is Population Control Even Possible?


    Absolutely, it's amazing what a couple of Nukes( preferably Neutron Bombs) in the right place can do...

    Or if you want to do it the old fashion, a little blockade will do the job just fine. If you doubt me just ask the Irish.
  • AustinRoth
    "Population control". What an abhorrent concept. It always seems to be proposed by those who's world-view is that mankind is a blight on the earth. I would rather not follow that path.

    Population has expanded because of primarily two factors - better food production and distribution, and increased longevity. Temporary breakdowns of the first are just that, temporary, while at the same time food yields continue to improve, thanks to Big Agribusiness. Increased longevity is a still upwards trend as a worldwide statistic.

    There are only two ways to achieve population control without causing riots due to planned food shortages - eugenics and forced birth control methods, neither of which have any place in a civilization that supports the rights of individuals. I do not trust Government as a general statement, but I ccertainly hope there are few that trust it enough for either of those solutions.
  • CStanley
    When you think about it, all of our problems could be solved if we reduced human population to zero.

    However, that plan has a downside that we'd probably rather not accept. And if you're not willing to accept it for yourself, then you have no right to impose it on any other person, whether that person is currently alive or still a 'gleam in his/her father's eye.'
  • Ryan
    You don't need to force birth control on anyone. Just make it available (and when the clergy complain, execute them.) Population increase in Western countries (plus a few) is mostly due to immigration. This problem is already solved in the countries with a decent standard of living. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate )
  • few
    I wen to an interesting lecture on Demographics this weekend. The expert pointed out that because of the decline in European birth rates & high immigration into Euro countries - that the Europe of the next decade will look vastly different.. The comment wrapping up the Euro demographics segment : If you want to experience Europe of your history - you better go now. The discussion on the US was fascinating as well - all Americans of European decent listening walked away with a clear notion they should re instill and re-embrace "big families" for their own cultures to survive in the coming years
  • DLS
    Since the 1960s fertility has substantially declined, not remained high, in most of the world. The change nations typically face nowadays is that of too-low rather than too-high fertility, which will exacerbate future "population aging" problems, including a shrinkage of taxpayer populations to fund old-age-related government entitlement programs. Pro-natalist policy decisions by government have largely been ineffective and "replacement [im]migration" is not going to a politically feasible solution or a practically achieveable solution at all.

    The population-control activists here are just re-using old myths to rationalize today's variation of what have been largely the same goals not only to combat "global warming" or "climate change" or whatever the next phrase chosen may be, but goals that are decades old.
  • pacatrue
    Wow, fascinating responses. Families routinely practice "population control" by not having more children than they think they can afford. To practice birth control either through timing with menstrual cycles, abstinence, or prophylactics is not to equate children with a blight upon the planet or a blight upon the family. It's simply recognizing the amount of resources the family has and making a choice. Why is it perfectly normal and rational for a couple to say "we cannot afford any more children" but it's a vast conspiracy to make the same observation about a city, nation, or planet?

    Anyway, as DLS says in his paragraph 1, fertility rates have been declining among most industrialized nations for years. Population can be reduced over time by following those same trends across the globe. Of course, that will take several generations.
  • AustinRoth
    paca - nothing is wrong with your example, as that is the family making that decision. If groups of families band together and jointly make that decision, again, they are exercising their freedom to choose.

    But as soon as the government starts either mandating, or using the power of the purse to cajole, force, or 'strongly encourage' those choices, then you are talking about something entirely different.

    And the second part of the equation is that as I and others have alluded to, the issue is in a large part due to increased longevity within our natural lifespans, and a growing specter that science will indeed discover ways to alter that lifespan by a considerable degree. That adds a whole new set of moral and ethical issues to deal with as well.
  • roro80
    AustinRoth -- I don't want to answer for pacatrue, but it seems to me that you may be misreading he/she is saying. It's not that government should intervene, forcing people to have babies or not have babies. It's that when families are given all the education and birth control they want/need, they generally limit their offspring by choice. This requires many pieces of a puzzle to fall into place; among them are the ability of both members of a couple to have say over when sex takes place and whether or not contraception is used, education about sex and birth control, cheap/free access to said birth control, access to affordable abortion (by choice only -- I'm certainly not advocating forced abortion), and for spiritual leaders to get behind the idea of families making their own choices about how many kids to have.
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