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Posted by MIKKEL FISHMAN, Economics Editor in Economy. Mar 8th, 2009 | Comments
The financial crisis has become surreal. We have Republican Senators and Alan Greenspan arguing for nationalization of failed banks, Democratic leaders arguing against it, and under the surface, the dominant economic theory of the last 30 years (monetarism) is failing spectacularly. But, my friends, I have run across something that is making me doubt my sanity.
Ronald Reagan proposed the largest peacetime tax increase [TEFRA] in American history as part of a budget deal to get the federal deficit under control. During debate on TEFRA, many conservatives [quotes WSJ, Gingrich, Chamber of Commerce] predicted economic disaster…Looking at the data, however, it is very hard to see any evidence that TEFRA had a negative effect on growth. Indeed, one could easily make a case that its enactment stimulated growth. As one can see, the economy’s growth rates after TEFRA took effect were among the fastest in history.
In 1993, Bill Clinton proposed another major tax increase…John Goodman of the National Center for Policy Analysis predicted the following results from the higher taxes: Capital formation would be reduced by $1.76 trillion through 1998, 1.34 million fewer jobs would be created and the real GDP growth rate would be 0.4% lower than it otherwise would have been. An examination of the data, however, shows that this forecast was totally wrong in every respect.
But even if conservatives were willing to concede that Obama’s proposed tax increases won’t deepen or lengthen the recession, they would still oppose higher taxes because they cling blindly to the starve-the-beast theory…The problem with this theory is that there is not one iota of evidence that starving the beast works. Under George W. Bush, federal revenues fell from 20.9% of GDP in 2000 to 17.7% in 2008, but spending rose from 18.4% of GDP to 20.9% over the same period. Bill Niskanen of the libertarian Cato Institute thinks the starve-the-beast theory has actually had a perverse effect on spending.
And it should also be noted that when confronted with a crisis in Social Security in 1983, Reagan endorsed a rescue plan drafted by Alan Greenspan that consisted almost entirely of higher taxes. [Double !!! about that one]
Many of the same Republicans who today complain about Obama’s spending voted for every pork-barrel project proposed by any Republican during the years they controlled Congress, as well as voting for a vast expansion of Medicare spending in 2003 when the program was already bankrupt. Among those voting to further bankrupt Medicare were such self-proclaimed protectors of the public purse as House Republican Leader John Boehner, House Republican Whip Eric Cantor and House Budget Committee Ranking Republican Paul Ryan. When they complain about Obama’s spending, they should be reminded that their vote to expand Medicare added $17.2 trillion to the nation’s long-term indebtedness, according to the latest report by Medicare’s trustees
OK, so we have Forbes (traditionally the most prominent major anti-tax outlet) running a piece pointing out that Ronald Reagan was a tax increase lover (after his first tax cut and exploding deficit) that signed off on Alan Greenspan’s Social Security tax increase; the economy grew robustly after his and Clinton’s tax cuts; that Bush’s tax cuts failed to do much of anything; that the Republican leadership added (in what I’ve dubbed The Worst Bill ever even as it was signed) amounts to the long term debt that make Obama’s plans look tiny…causing a Cato representative to question whether the starve the beast theory works.
Got that? OK, here’s the kicker: the author is Bruce Bartlett. Yes, that Bruce Bartlett. A Champion of Supply Side Economics. That Bruce Bartlett. Wow.
Silhouette
Once again. It all boils down to the super-rich will have to pay the piper. They either have to pay the piper or forfeit the very same country they utilized to become super-wealthy in the first place. This is all we're witnessing right now: the internal struggle of the super-rich who on the one hand know for certain that they will lose the very gravy train that got them where they are if they don't chip in in this time of crisis...but on the other hand they are so addicted to getting all the gravy for themselves..without exception...that the idea of giving for future prosperity is UNFATHOMABLE to them. That's all that's going on really in our "crisis". The poor know exactly what to do, the working classes know exactly what to do. The super-rich know too, only they are like spoiled children that must be disciplined.
They've taken and now it's time to give. Giving just isn't in their nature. Ergo the MANDATED taxes on the super-rich. Trickle down doesn't work for one simple reason: the super-wealthy are hoarders by nature and WILL NOT give back, even if it means their own fiscal death. Hence they are not sane. Hence we need to step in and mandate new conditions where they have to give, for their own good as well as ours.
Very simple. People are making much more of it than that though to divert attention away from its simplicity. The super-rich must pay. Period. And the irony is, even when they do, they're so friggin' rich that they won't even notice a change in style of living! They are insane and they want our nation to die in solidarity with their collective greed/insanity. Time for an intervention.
pachigordo
Nice work pointing out the inconsistencies. The Administration and the public has been given a partial endorsement to raise taxes as Obama is really Reagan II. Why are there still so many Zombie Republicans against taxation to balance a budget they wrecked during the first 7 years of the 21st Century. However, to fix the financial/banking mess, we need a completely new approach and fast. We can't let zombie banks drain the federal treasury when that money should go elsewhere. The U.S. is set to lose another 5 million jobs by the end of 2009 so the stimulus bill goes nowhere far enough to address this major impediment to recovery. Best regards from another contributor - Marc Pascal in Arizona where time never changes..
Jim_Satterfield
Is it possible that some people are just getting tired of using their energy and intellectual prowess to attempt to twist reality in order to support a blind ideological belief system? That they have suddenly realized that the only way to get out of this mess is to look long, hard and honestly about where we are and how we got here if we are to craft solutions that will have a chance of working? Could be.
denisedh
Thank you Mikkel, I was a high school kid working as waitress from 1980 until 1983 (became a college kid working as a waitress in 1982) and I can tell you that my taxes doubled under Reagan, all related to changes in how we claimed tips. We had to claim 8% of our total food sales as tips; prior to that there were no regulations and most servers claimed the amount to bring them to about $4 per hour; at the time we made $2.01 per hour in wages and minimum wage was $3.10 or $3.35. When I began claiming 8% of food sales, my checks were cut in half due to the increase in taxes. Also at this time, tips were terrible due to the recession. 10% was a good tip and you always have poor tippers and those who forget or stiff you, so most of us were not getting any income, tips or otherwise, that wasn't taxed. I was especially angry about the tax changes given the fact I was trying to save for college and put myself through and student aid was cut back even further during those times. Now I look back and see my paltry wages of those years (2 to 3 K per year) and remember very well the tax increase and have no rosy recall of those Reagan years.
CStanley
I'm kind of surprised that you didn't mention this point, Mikkel, but I think you'll agree with it.
The stupidest part of the orthodoxies on both sides of the aisle is that they make assumptions based on certain types of tax cuts or certain types of spending increases as though the results of those things apply in all cases.
I haven't had a chance to read the linked article thoroughly, but for example it doesn't seem that they're looking at data on certain kinds of tax cuts like capital gains. Those have proven historically to affect investment- though much of it is in the timing of the sale of investments and there's debate about whether that matters that much or if it just shifts economic activity from one year to another. Still though, those kinds of shifts can be useful for govt policy to encourage more capital investment when it's needed.
So, if the article is arguing against the "Club for Growth" mentality that all tax cuts are good and all tax increases are bad, then good for them. But don't let anyone fall into the trap of thinking that this means that the opposite is true either or that tax policy can never affect economic decisions that investors make.
And likewise, I saw the same shallow thinking during the debate over the stimulus bill. Even Obama, who I'm sure knew better, used the misconceptions to his advantage when he joked that "of course it's a spending bill, that's what a stimulus bill is." As I'm sure he's aware though, just because stimulus is by definition spending doesn't mean that all govt. spending is stimulus.
mikkel
Well looking across Wikipedia a bit I ran into this that Bartlett wrote a few years ago that said supply-side economics had been twisted to be worse than meaningless because originally they were only looking at a few type of tax cuts. That said, I would want to see how much actual "capital investment" increases based on "capital gains" taxes, especially controlled for other factors like a slackening in monetary policy and the like. I bring this up because capital gains people associate more with the stock market and the stock market is primarily a closed system except for IPOs and share issuance...both of which tend to be rather minor. Sure it gets people to spend more money based on the wealth effect, but it doesn't affect capital investment per se. They're going back to look at the last bull cycle and realizing that if you strip residential investment, there was nearly no actual investment by the S&P 500 companies. They gave out (through dividend and stock buy backs) nearly every single penny of earnings...that is amazing.
I personally feel that tax rates play a small role in investment, return and the like (within reason, like up to 50-60%) by themselves, as the stronger factor is the business cycle and how much demand there is in new markets, etc. What is an appropriate rate at one time isn't at another time, etc.
That said, the more I read the greater it becomes apparent that the larger problem is how agnostic our tax system is. It seems that rules that are written for "businesses" thinking about corporations place undue burden on small businesses and hinder expansion (or in recessions survival) but rolling back things to help small businesses allows corporations to become non-innovative dinosaurs. Similarly, regional differences have a huge effect on tax burden relative to basic standard of living. I don't have any answers but it is something to note.
Silhouette
It's really more simple than that. It's about the rich taking advantage of the system, milking it for all it's worth to their benefit alone and then refusing to pay the piper when the system could no longer support their excesses.
Read up on the French Revolution. What's happening now is almost exactly parallelling it. Those who refuse to know history will be doomed to repeat it.
yetanothermoderatevoice
It sure would be nice to see monetary policy along with fiscal policy in Bartlett's article.
CStanley
Thanks for the Bartlett link, Mikkel- that was exactly the point I was trying to make. He even makes the point about Keynesian economics also having been twisted.
The only thing I disagree with is where he claims that there's no need to keep arguing about this because economists have accepted the principles that really did underlie the supply side theory, and I don't see that that's the case at all. Instead, it seems like we're back to the twisting of Keynesism by the liberal side and twisting of supply side by the conservative side, and then both sides use the twisted arguments to shoot down the other side.
I do understand the nuances you mention about why the tax policy isn't hugely important in the overall picture, esp when it comes to measuring total capital investment dollars. But my point is that it can have effect on the timing of investments, and that does matter during a recession (similar to the idea that high federal deficits aren't good ordinarily but shouldn't be a concern during a recession.) So it just strikes me as odd, and concerning, that Obama is choosing to go in the other direction (realizing of course that he's not proposing the tax increases until 2011 and is basing that on presumptions that the recovery will be underway, but I can't see how those predictions can be assured and if tax hikes have effect on behavior at all then they will surely affect decisions that people make right now to try to avoid future increased rates.) I also realize that the increases he's proposing aren't huge, and perhaps that reflects on an understanding that the basic idea of raising taxes could be stifling to investment during a recovery period.
On your last paragraph- hear, hear. I think that if someone could figure out the small business policies to encourage growth we'd be in so much better shape. The way that small businesses are taxed and regulated really needs to be much different than the way large corporations are handled- it's almost as though we need more progressive taxation in that arena.