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Obama’s Housing Plan: Will It (Or Any Feasible Plan) Work ?

As Joe has already reported, President Obama is in Mesa, Arizona today to announce a plan by the Treasury Department to deal with the housing crisis. Since I am a bankruptcy attorney in Northern California, this is an area with which I am quite familiar. Indeed I am somewhat surprised the President didn’t come here since we are the epicenter of the foreclosure crisis.

I should admit from the start that I do arguably have something of a conflict of interest here. Just as doctors technically depend on people getting sick to continue in business, I do need to have clients to come through the door to keep paying my bills. But given the massive impact of the housing collapse on our economy I certainly want to see a solution to this problem, but I am not sure that his plan will work, or indeed if any plan will work.

The main thrust of the plan seems to be reducing interest rates by allowing people to refinance their homes through the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac programs (right there, I am kind of nervous to see these troubled programs doing much of anything). Obama has said that Fannie and Freddie will be allowed to refinance homes above the current 80% limits but this will only help those who are already in loans with these companies and who have some level of equity in the property.

This will help people who have some level of equity in their homes but it won’t hurt those who are underwater (i.e., owe more money than the house is worth). This has been the central problem with the mortgage crisis, when a house is worth less than the loan, the homeowner cannot get a new loan and the lender is understandably unwilling to work things out since they would be taking a loss.

I have long thought it made sense for the banks and mortgage companies to work something out with the lender since they were facing a choice between a lower payment and no payment, but I also understood that it would be hard for the bank to take too many losses before they went out of business.

My own suggestion has been that there should be a meeting in the middle, where the bank agrees to lower the loan amount down to the current market value but with the understanding that, as the value of the house rose in the future, that the bank be able to recover some of the reduced loan up to the level of the original loan. But this solution would not entirely solve the problem since some homeowners might not be able to afford the increased payments.

I have a feeling that Obama’s plan may run in to similar problems.

The plan offers ‘guidelines’ and ‘encouragement’ to lenders to refinance loans to lower the payments by making up some of the shortfall between the old and new payments, should a lender refinance a house that is underwater. But the plan also requires that the new payment be no more than 31% of the homeowners income. This could be a potential problem because the math would be tough to work out.

For example, if a homeowner has a house with a $500,000 mortgage that is now worth $300,000 and the income in the home is $50,000 a year, it is going to be very difficult to make the math work out. This is perhaps the central problem to any solution, that in many cases the numbers between the amount owed and the amount the house is worth are too large and the amount the homeowner can afford is simply too small to be realistic. It sounded like the modifications would only be through Chapter 13 cases and this requires that people have enough money to make the payments.

The idea that bankruptcy judges be able to modify the value of houses is a good one, provided that there is a balance on all sides (i.e., the lender and the homeowner both share the pain). Again however the problem could be that, even with a lowering of the loan to the value of the house, the numbers may still be too large for the homeowner to afford.

The President seemed to address this by saying ‘we won’t help people who bought homes that they knew they could not afford’ but then the problem becomes deciding who those people are. I feel for all of my clients who come in and have faced the need to lose their homes but I often find differences in my reaction to those who had genuine bad luck versus those who bought out of their means.

But in my case I don’t really need to make any decisions based on those feelings. In both cases, the people are giving up their homes and so whatever the circumstances behind them the loss is happening. On the other hand, under the proposed plan there would have to be somebody making choices between helping and not helping and you know that a lot of politics is going to play in to it.

I do think that this plan is a step in the right direction and will help solve some problems for troubled homeowners. But I also think we need to be realistic about the fact that there is probably no plan that is really going to solve the entire problem. There is simply too much to solve and many people are going to have to deal with the fact that they are going to have to give up the property and move on. It is not a nice solution but it is a realistic one.

  • elrod
    Patrick,
    You cite, as an example, somebody who took out a $500,000 mortgage (on property now worth only $300,000) but who only makes $50,000 per year. Suffice it to say that that person would fall into the "irresponsible" category for whom the Obama plan is not supposed to address. Why should somebody who makes 1/10 of the value of their mortgage be eligible for a bailout? They should have taken out a much smaller mortgage, or rented.

    I am glad that the bailout focuses more on modestly underwater homeowners and not those languishing at the bottom of the ocean.
  • casualobserver
    The example isn't even relevant to the discussion to begin with since it is non-conforming.
  • DLS
    "The idea that bankruptcy judges be able to modify the value of houses is a good one, provided that there is a balance on all sides (IE the lender and the homeowner both share the pain)."

    Actually, it's a bad one. Lay aside the issue of what's actually being considered here, the lowering of the amount of _principal_ owed as well as the interest rate and other terms of the mortgage loan agreements in question, which involves the loans, not the houses. To be able to impose changes of terms is the ability to commit expropriation (a form of theft). And when you read all that is written, it makes so clear that what is preferable is that the lenders and borrowers freely and willingly -- from consent rather than from coersion or other kinds of compulsion other that how you view their situations and the economy -- can and should do this rather than have it imposed by others.

    Interestingly, though nobody but a Rambo class warrior would like it, there is plenty of motivation (not coercion, at least not yet, effectively!) for the lenders and borrowers to do this on their own, i.e., for the big, bad, evil, rich creditor lender banks to do this on their own accord, for it can be in their best interest. Why? If there is a foreclosure, it results in the loss of the loan and the costs to acquire and then sell or otherwise dispose of the property (ideally, to resell it), often involving repairs from less-than-well-behaved borrowers as a going-away present. The banks can end up like Detroit, with a bloated inventory of too many homes on hand that nobody wants to buy or can buy, even if the banks have already managed already to "reduce excess unit production" by not providing continued high-level support to the building industry. (Many homes are in older areas and so old the building industry is irrelevent, anyway.)

    I'm wondering how real this bankruptcy-judge issue is. It's a darling objective of a few misbehaving people in Congress, but is no incentive to get banks to resume lending to people to buy or refinance homes, just cheap political posturing of some of the ugliest kind.

    It's actually the homeowners who have much of the power here. There's an observational item here of note. With our deflationary spiral scenario, we have the "paradox of thrift" where individual virtue is collective vice insofar as preferring saving or debt service over spending has a broad de-stimulative effect on the economy, something we're currently worried about. The more individuals choose to refrain from spending, the greater the effect through the economy. Now with the distressed homeowners, the more potential foreclosures and more troubled loans and households there are, the more each individual borrower stands to gain against the evil creditors, even those who are not in trouble largely of their own accord. These observations' remarks are not logical fallacies of composition and division, but reality.

    And just wait until credit cards become an even larger and more urgent problem.
  • Well Elrod first off I am pretty much in agreement with you that I want to focus on people who have a chance to keep the house, I was merely pointing out that there are going to be a lot of people left out. In that sense it is perhaps best that we have a Democratic President because much like Nixon being able to go to China, a Democrat can pose such a plan wihout being attacked for those who won't be included.

    Also for those who don't live in a real estate market like California I would point out that while $ 300k or $ 500k may seem like a lot of money that in California it was (and in some cases still is) a starter home.

    My own house for example (which I rent, not own) is a 50 year old 2 bedroom, 1 1/2 bath with a small deck outside (no yard otherwise) covering around 1200-1400 square feet. Nice but hardly luxurious. At the peak of the market it was valued at $ 375,000 and is still worth over $ 200,000.

    This of couse shows the conflict between our current housing crisis and the issue of affordable homes.
  • DLS
    Patrick -- as you know, homes still cost far too damn much, even now! Where is your home, the Central Valley, or in an undiscovered metro spot?

    On another thread I posted something that many would not believe about California (where I grew up; I'm familiar with it and with other parts of this country) but which you, Patrick, would understand. People were buying homes for commuting to the Bay Area as far away as Merced, Madera, or even Fresno, or in the other direction, Redding. Why? Because it was so much cheaper than in the Bay Area.

    Washington, DC, is expensive, yet during 2000-2001, a number of Bay Area and other California people went there in large numbers? Why? Because despite its terribly high housing cost, DC remained a bargain for many in California at the time.

    And homes _still_ cost too much. And that's even when you account for growing "needs" for housing size and land parcel size (a joke in California, where parcels are shrunk and there's often little distance between adjacent homes, because land has been so expensive for years). Even those of us who have seen older, smaller homes (often on decent-sized land parcels, even if small on an absolute basis, and in comparison to home sites whose land areas match their McMansion home sizes) look askance at how much we're asked to pay.
  • vanvlis
    I am one of those who also lives in California who cannot be helped by this plan. My husband and I make about $130,000 and purchased a starter home in LA for $540,000 at 6.625% rate - very reasonable for the area in 2006. Now the banks say it is worth $420,00 and we cannot refinance to the better 5.25% (or lower) rate, despite having a low 800 credit score, never missing a payment, etc - just because our house is worth less. We would love the few extra hundred dollars a lower interest rate will bring.

    And what happened to the earlier change last year to increase the conforming rate to $720,000. Is that no longer in play?
  • My house is in the Central Valley area.
  • casualobserver
    And what happened to the earlier change last year to increase the conforming rate to $720,000. Is that no longer in play?

    "High-cost area" conforming moved from 417 to 625 depending on the specific area. But that only applies to originations 1/1 and subsequent.
  • DaGoat
    My house is 4000+ sq ft and values around 250K. I'm in the Midwest and have very little sympathy for folks with their overpriced houses and stupid mortgages. You made your bed, after all.
  • vanvlis
    So does that mean that if my loan was originated in 2006 when the limit was 417 that it does not conform?
  • vanvlis
    DaGoat - it is not fair to compare homes in the Midwest with homes in Los Angeles. That is not even in the same ballpark. We tend to make more money and everything is more expensive here, including our homes. We should have equal access to funding and help. They should have set the limits at helping people who have a home at 105% of the median home price for the area. That would include the expensive markets as well, such as California, New York City, etc. My husband and I purchased within our means, we can afford our fixed 30 year mortgage, but it would be nice to be able to refinance to a lower rate and have a extra few hundred dollars to spend each month.
  • DaGoat
    vanvlis - you're the one who decided to live where you do, why do you think the rules should be different for you?
  • vanvlis
    DaGoat - My husband job brought us to LA - there is very few places in the U.S. (or the world for that matter) that my husband can work and Los Angeles is one of them. The other options are not cheap either. He is highly specialized in his field and went through quite a bit of schooling to get there. I, too, am only licensed to work in California for my profession (and majority of the work in here as well). It it not always a choice. Besides, I am not asking for the rules to be different for me, I am asking for equality (basing it on the median home price for your area). This plan only helps Americans in lower priced areas, millions of American live in areas with houses that have had a more than 20% drop in the value of their home (so 105% is quite worthless) and with median home prices above the conforming limit.
  • DLS
    Patrick -- good luck with your home situation. You're probably aware not only of obscene California (and other West Coast and selected Northeastern) home prices but that the "encroachment on" and "destruction of" or "loss of" farmland in the Central Valley that so many, in particularly among activists, have decried (more in the past than now) has been simply a response to ridiculous housing costs in the metro areas proper. (That's why you also see a lot of commuters living in the Coachella Valley and in the high desert regions outside of Los Angeles, and why anyone familiar with the location knows that the federal government could reap a fortune auctioning Camp Pendleton, on the Southern California coast and ranging inland, to developers.) For decades people have looked to the Central Valley as a way to stay in California and enjoy the climate (actually sunner, drier, and hotter in summer) while paying much lower housing costs.

    I still maintain that the Monterey Bay area should be developed into another national-class city and metro area like the Bay Area, the LA Basin, and San Diego. (It should be much larger than a developed Santa Barbara area, even with the latter on the State Water Project someday.) This would include a world-class port with a shipping channel over the deep-water canyon. But this would not ameliorate the housing price problem in California (and similar problems elsewhere). Homes still cost far too much. I'm not sure how to combat this well except to rebuild with smaller homes (as in the Eastern neighborhoods I've enjoyed living in and visiting) after the "Big One" earthquake, fires, and other consequences.

    DaGoat: Be nice to Patrick. I grew up in California in an earlier time and actually was one of the few that chose to leave it (a "living education" over the past many years, including many years now in the eastern USA), but I realize that its climate enchants people, as do all the physical amenities so very lacking so much elsewhere in the nation, both by relative and absolute standpoints. Even outside California (or other West Coast localities or spots in the Northeast), there's still a problem with housing affordability, which can be addressed to some extent by "down-sizing" (I prefer a smaller "footprint" for my lifestyle, and it's cheaper, anyway), but which remains a serious problem, even a crippling problem, in this country. It's made worse by home "flippers," real estate third-parties, speculators, etc. Patrick made the traditionally smart move, going to the Central Valley where housing is relatively cheap, but it's still far overpriced. My brother was relocated to Los Angeles and pays for rent what should be the payments for a primary _and_ a vacation home.
  • DLS
    "vanvlis" : This is something I've looked at, for another subject altogether, federal welfare or other payments to individuals. It's my view that the federal government not only should provide a "floor" or minimal level of assistance here (just as its regulations should also be a "floor" at a minimal level), above which states or localities can raise the payments (or regulation) at their own choice and expense, and that the federal objects should be consistent and uniform throughout the country. It seems to me that, even with its budget problems due in large part from overspending during the stock (Internet) and housing bubbles, it's up to California to act where costs are substantially higher than average. (This is also true, for example, with providing help such as under S-CHIP, where high-cost states seek to include beneficiaries far above the poverty level, not only for obvious political reasons but because the costs in some states are so high that screening incomes at the poverty level is impractical.)
  • DLS
    "I am not asking for the rules to be different for me, I am asking for equality (basing it on the median home price for your area)."


    Q I did hear you say that you're eligible -- not eligible if the size of your mortgage is below the amount -- or has to be below the amount of the conforming limits. I thought you just said in an earlier answer that the non-conforming mortgages were eligible.

    SECRETARY DONOVAN: Yes. So just to be clear, two different things. A conforming mortgage is a Fannie Mae or a Freddie Mac mortgage. Conforming loan limit is a dollar figure, okay? So what we're saying is, very large mortgages aren't eligible. Smaller mortgages are eligible whether they are Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac mortgages or other kinds of mortgages. Sorry about that.

    Q What's the definition of that? Because in New York or San Francisco, very large is very large -- but, I mean, there's different levels --

    SECRETARY DONOVAN: And we'd be happy to provide more detail to you. It varies across the country, depending on what home prices -- the maximum is about $730,000 in the highest-priced areas. There's a relatively complex formula I don't want to bore you with, but we'd be happy to get you what those numbers are across the country.

    Q So there's a regional --

    SECRETARY DONOVAN: Yes, there's a regional variation, depending on home price, exactly.

    http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2009/02/backgro...
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