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Obama and Bipartisanship: Is Obama Hopelessly Naive?

As President Barack Obama’s administration recovers from its latest rebuff in its efforts to foster bipartisanship, one underlying theme in emerging commentary is: Is Obama naive in trying to foster bipartisanship in a country with a political culture and media that seem to emotionally and financially thrive on demonization, controversy and polarization?

It gets back to a key question that emerged in Obama’s battle with now Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in the primaries: does being “realistic” mean accepting things as they are or working to bring about change which may be incremental in coming so there is a new realism? U.S. politics has not always been marked by such a toxic political tone: it evolved.

And if change is incremental in coming, won’t that cost a lot of political capital that Obama will need to achieve the most realistic goals — such as fundamental change and proof that a majority party can deliver the goods promised beset voters? Can a mega-partisan cycle be broken when its key actors (the political elites, and new and old media types) seem to like it the way it is — where politics as it’s played today is almost a fun game.

The questions linger. Time’s Joe Klein points to GOPer Judd Gregg’s decision to pull out of consideration for the Obama cabinet and says Obama shouldn’t trust but should try to reconcile. First, he says Obama needs to do better vetting (to which both Democrats and Republicans today will say “NO DUH…”) and then he writes:

The second, and more important, lesson has to do with bipartisanship. Obama should now understand that the Republicans are not reliable partners–at least, not for the moment. Most are stuck in the contentious past, rutted in Reaganism, intent on taking a Hooverist course on the economy (although there remains cause for optimism on foreign policy). The President’s default position, after the stimulus fight and the Gregg fiasco, should be to appoint Democrats to significant domestic policy positions–the notion of making a public show of bipartisanship, by reaching across the aisle to someone like Senator Gregg, gives the opposition too much credibility and leverage. Which doesn’t mean that Obama shouldn’t remain as conciliatory, and open to constructive Republican ideas, as he has been. There are potential long-term benefits from such openness (and short-term benefit as well, since the public clearly believes that Obama has been more reasonable than the Republicans).

At MSNBC’s always reliable and intriguing First Read, Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro provide further fuel for the idea that Obama is still a work in progress. And the question and is whether his progress on his agenda — and his supply of clout — will be impeded as he progresses on his lessons on the Washington realities within which he must operate:

Just when you thought the news was getting a bit stale — after the deal on the stimulus — came the latest twist and turn on the Obama White House’s four-week-old rollercoaster ride. Despite his gracious words at his press conference yesterday, Republican Judd Gregg’s decision to withdraw his nomination to be Commerce secretary was a blow to the administration. One, it became the latest nomination problem for Obama (Daschle, Killefer, and Richardson), and the second one at Commerce. Two, it undermined the president’s bipartisan outreach (Gregg would have been the third Republican to serve in the cabinet, and the one with the most conservative credentials). And three, it enabled Republicans to immediately politicize the withdrawal. House Minority Leader John Boehner issued a statement pointing to Gregg’s concerns “about the congressional Democrats’ trillion-dollar spending bill,” even though Gregg had praised the stimulus after being tapped for the job. And RNC chair Michael Steele explained Gregg’s withdrawal to FOX, saying that the White House was “basically high-jacking the Census process.”

The bottom line is that this toe-stubbing seem to be starting to create an image of Obama as a well-meaning, smart, gracious political babe in the woods. First Read also offers this other related item:

Perhaps the biggest fallout from yesterday’s Gregg news is the realization that outside Collins, Snowe, and Specter, Obama isn’t going to receive much support from Republicans, no matter how many of them he tries to appoint to his cabinet, how many times he has them over for drinks at the White House, and how many times he meets with their conference. Of course, Gregg is an ideological conservative and was always an odd fit in the president’s cabinet. And he said in his statement yesterday that he was uncomfortable with the size and shape of the stimulus package, as well as the fact the White House had taken responsibility for managing the Census from the Commerce Department. We also know this: Gregg blindsided Team Obama with his final decision. The White House knew Gregg was getting cold feet, but figured they’d know before he issued his press release, which came out just as Obama was campaigning in Peoria, IL for his stimulus. That’s what clearly annoyed them, and why White House press secretary Robert Gibbs fired off a pretty hot statement reacting to Gregg’s decision. A lot of the inside-the-Beltway finger-pointing is being aimed at Gregg (after all, he’s the one who withdrew, right?). But, given the other cabinet snafus, just how is this going to be perceived outside of Washington?

First Read also notes that Gregg’s withdrawal has sparked proclamations of delight on the left and on the right, which isn’t surprising. He who tries to chart a centrist course gets those on both ends of the political spectrum upset, particularly if one on their side is participating in it — or enabling it:
The irony of Gregg’s departure is that it has pleased virtually everyone on the right and left. (How many times does that happen?) …Gregg was no moderate, and Obama getting him to serve in the cabinet would have been a huge bipartisan coup — which is why GOPers were so crabby about census and so relieved after he pulled out.

The big question remains Obama’s future course. He never promised (as he has reminded the media) that he could change the way Washington operates in less than a month.

Is he expending too much political capital this point in his young Presidency or will this eventually prove to be worth it? Or is the talk about bipartisanship hopelessly Polyanna-ish because that’s the way it is in 21st century America where people have too much of an emotional and financial stake in doing things exactly the way they’ve been done for the past two decades and past 8 years?

  • Silhouette
    The short answer is "yes".

    The long answer requires a look at republicans and republicans (both kinds)..

    Bushco strove like the half-witted madmen they are to install their puppet regime in Iraq. And then plunged our economy into a depression as a result of that expensive, blundering and stupid prostitution of our national values: democracy and freedom...which was the exact opposite of what they set out to install in Iraq.

    Funny thing is...

    Iraq actually picked up on the democracy and freedom part in spite of Bushco's best efforts to keep that from happening. So when China came along and offered more money for the oil, they sold to the highest bidder. Surely the GOP can understand that line of thinking..?

    Oh what a tangled web they wove when for oil and money they had strove.

    And now, Obama left with the mess they made struggles to save our very nation. And the GOP DARES to stand and criticize him, and worse, are actually impeding top economic advisor's advice to restore our economy (our national security). Their de facto leader, Rush (Traitor-Face) Limbaugh openly declares he wishes our nation's leadership to fail. And remember, those GOP congressmen, the cronies of the Old Guard are following his lead..

    Al Qaida could not hope for a better ally. Maybe Bin Laden is renting a condo from Rush Limbaugh. Why wouldn't I be surprised to find that out?

    Is going into collosal debt (and implied subserviance therefore) to communist China is A-OK for our nation? I do not think so.. I suppose the crony GOP cluster thinks that's OK since the gargantuan screw-up of their beloved leadership put us in a position to have to subjegate ourselves to a communist nation. Better than admitting they're wrong and going to trial for it..

    That's the essence of what's going on. We as a nation of hundreds of millions are being asked to implode from within rather than try our handful of war criminals. We all are lining up to perish, America itself, to keep a handful of sheisters from going to jail. How will prosecuting them save us? By dismantling the cronies of the GOP just in time to keep them from filibustering , fighting and impeding us into oblivion at the direction of their as-yet unthroned maestro Rush-Limbaugh. You expose the dark nasty secrets of the GOP and their base will run away, they will lose their power and we will regain our nation. A new GOP can then be born from those ashes, returning to their old value system of loving America and all she stands for....instead of trying to destroy her for personal gain.

    Those who laud themselves as defenders of "our nation's values" who now call themselves "republicans" are actually some of the worst worst worst traitors this nation has ever seen. The best thing real actual republicans could do for their party is take out the trash. And what Obama refuses to realize, or knows and is playing down, is that he's dealing with a small group of mostly men who have sworn an oath to the Gods of profit and who could care less about the fate or our nation as long as they have fat Swiss bank accounts and holdings abroad where they can flee to if the going gets really rough over here. In other words, organized crime. The same caliber as Al Qaida, who they now, apparently, are assisting the agenda of..
  • AustinRoth
    I, for one, am sick of the lack of bi-partisanship and the general tone in Washington being presented as strictly a Republican issue.

    The one, truly bi-partisan aspect of Washington is that BOTH parties insist on 'my way or the highway', and spend as much time blaming and demonizing the other side as possible.

    Pelosi, Reid, Murtha, Emanuel, et. al. as examples of Democratic bi-partisanship leadership? Please.
  • Silhouette
    Pelosi et al are the opposite swing to the pendulum. For every action in the universe, there is an opposite reaction. The Pelosi phenomenon wouldn't exists if it weren't for 8 years of solid oppression against anything-democratic. She is being irresponsible and reactive and yet you can hardly play dumb as to why..
  • Marlowecan
    Further to AR's comment . . . note the significance of the point of view of many in the media - such as Joe Klein - on the question of bipartisanship. Their pose is to give advice to Obama on how to deal with them...the Other...Republicans.

    Sil said: "And now, Obama left with the mess they made struggles to save our very nation."

    Hmmm...Sil, did you notice in the LA Times yesterday, the Obama Administration officially discounting the infamous NIE Estimate?

    Acknowledging they have not received new intelligence different from Bush...the Obama Administration now sees the NIE Estimate as inaccurate (probably misinterpreted by illiterate wingnuts).

    The NIE Estimate was a political tool .... employed by Democrats and liberals in the intelligence community ... to undermine the Bush administration's options with respect to Iran's nuclear program.

    Now, overnight, it is discounted. It served its purpose. At the time of its release, Bush's critics here at TMV used it to ridicule and mock Bush's belief that Iran was working on a nuclear device.

    How can you say . . . with a straight face . . . that the Democrats want to save the United States from Bush and Republicans?
    The Democrats did everything in their power to undermine a Republican President in a time of war for their political ends.

    Rockefeller and Durbin were widely believed to have violated their oaths and leaked intelligence to the media for political purposes.
    When McCarthy -- with her years of Democratic and media connections -- was fired from the CIA, suddenly the flood of leaks stopped from there.

    The GOP is playing the Democratic game . . . death of a presidency by a thousand cuts. Sure Obama has high poll numbers. So did Bush.

    The Democrats (with the exception of Pelosi, who is at least honest in her partisanship) are all for bipartisanship and changing the tone...after their years of bitter partisanship brought them to power.
  • CStanley
    It's like a whole bunch of people are scratching their heads as to why Obama seems to lack executive skills and is making up strategy as he goes along.

    Gee, whodathunkit? It's not like anyone stopped to wonder whether his inexperience in taking the helm during several simultaneous world crises of unprecedented proportion might be a problem.
  • Silhouette
    A crises begotten by Bushco....who would know all about beign stupid and scratching their heads...or looking that way when its convenient anyways..

    Marl,

    So you think you can inject your own conspiracy theories to water down mine eh? Good trick. I've seen it used here and elsewhere often...lol

    Tell ya what. You present your case and I'll present mine. I'll be willing to admit democrats were/are? on board trying to bring down our nation for either stupidity, short-sightedness or just pure greed if you'll be willing to concede that republicans are doing the same..

    eh??...; )
  • CStanley
    Silhouette- the problem as I see it with the presumptions that the 'others' are trying to deliberately bring down the country is that I don't believe that's ever the case- but what I do think happens all the time is that our political class believes that their own interests and the country's interests are completely one in the same, and they'll go to great lengths to rationalize even when that's not the case. I think they do this constantly- convincing themselves that they're acting on some principle or other, when the reality is that their main guiding principle is self preservation. And under normal circumstances, the damage from that is self limiting, but when we're in crisis situations if they can't put that aside and actually focus on the national interest EVEN WHEN it conflicts with their own, then we have a problem.

    And most of us can clearly see that phenomenon happening when the political side that we don't identify with is engaging in it. That's why a lot of Republicans didn't find it outrageous when our politicians were implying or outright stating that the Dems were rooting against the US during wartime, and it's why the reverse is now true when people who identify with the liberal side more (even if they're nominally independents) feel that the GOP opposition to the Democratic proposals for the economic crisis are unconscionably self motivated.

    As voters (and as the ones who suffer when the two sides can't reconcile at all) we'd be better served to acknowledging this problem as a general principle, not just when the other guys do it.
  • Marlowecan
    Sil said: "Marl, So you think you can inject your own conspiracy theories to water down mine eh? Good trick. I've seen it used here and elsewhere often...lol"

    Heh-heh.

    Yes, I will happily take you up on your bargain, Sil. I fully concede the GOP is being as partisan and stupid now as the Democrats were during the Bush ascendency.

    Actually, I think CStanley calls this one right: "our political class believes that their own interests and the country's interests are completely one in the same"

    I have noticed a lot of agreement on this theme here at TMV lately. I note Elrod's comment on Pelosi's partisanship the other day, making much the same point as CStanley . . . though Elrod, of course, is of a different political perspective.

    But then...where does everyone go from here?
  • Holly_in_Cincinnati
    You may have missed this earlier post at TMV:

    Sabato’s Crystal Ball: The False Hope of Bipartisanship
    http://themoderatevoice.com/26429/sabatos-cryst...
  • CStanley
    Holly, that is a really good article, and apropos of this discussion in a number of ways. One thing he mentions that I think is highly relevant here, is that currently the center is not holding. It seems to me increasingly that centrists have chosen sides- and instead of acting as the arbiters of moderate policy (having the ability to see some good from both sides of the spectrum), because so many of them now feel that one side or the other is acting in bad faith they've now chosen a team (mainly, they've gone to the Democrats in spirit if not actually registering as a party member.)

    Again, the center is not holding.

    And again, I think if people would consider that the 'bad faith' that we believe we see is really just politicians being politicians- on both sides of the aisle- then I think that centrists could go back to being centrists again.
  • DaGoat
    CStanley you're nailing it today, great comments.

    All of this is pretty much politics as it's been played for decades, and most of the comments coming from the left now are echoes of those coming from the right in 2001-2006 (and vice versa of course). I do agree things are more polarized than ever, there are less centrists as time goes by, and that makes the prospects of true cooperation dim for now.
  • christoofar
    sad/true, CS.
  • I'm not totally sold on Obama's executive inexperience being the sole or primary cause of his cabinet problems. I think he greatly overestimated Washington's willingness to go along with the bipartisan program after Bush's tenure. Democrats want to stick it back to the Republicans. For better or for worse.

    See, I really don't have a problem with Presidents carrying a big stick. They are the POTUS. The Big Cheese. Head Honcho. The De Facto Boss Man. If they have a vision and want to roll with it, go for it. But remain bipartisan in tone. Don't disrespect the opposition party. Don't treat them like the bad seed. Listen to them. But ultimately the President is the President. They have the final say. Most people criticized former President Bush for calling himself THE DECIDER. He was telling the stone honest truth. President Obama is THE DECIDER now.

    And I pull back from my bipartisanship utopia view. LOL!
  • CStanley
    Well, sad, yes, but to me it's a lot like growing up and realizing your parents (or some other adult you've idolized) are human. Once you get over it, it's not really that big of a deal, but if you resist accepting it then it's a stumbling block.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    Obama hasn't even been President for a month.

    I can't imagine any serious questions about his executive skills even arising yet.

    It could happen, of course.

    But at this point, conservatives are banging against reality when they pat themselves on the backs for predicting anything.
  • kritt11
    I think Obama is modeling FDR and Lincoln, both of whom had opposition members in their Cabinets. He may believe that it is partisanship that is holding us back, and that any meaningful legislation needs to be backed by both parties. He's trying to break the pattern and get Congress to think in terms of pragmatic solutions and not just ideology. He may be expecting too much, since politicians have different pressures on them than they did in Lincoln's or FDR's times.

    I give him props for at least going this far- but now it is becoming apparent that we have a victor inherits the spoils political system, and that one man may not be able to bridge the gap between diametrically opposed agendas. The GOP has to be willing to meet him halfway- and only 3 were. The three that were willing have now been targeted for removal by a conservative group- possibly ensuring that they won't chance acting in a bipartisan manner again.
  • CStanley
    Kim, sometimes there's no such thing as half way- it's like Solomon splitting the baby.

    Remember the dustup over Homeland Security? Cleland voted no over the union issues. Should he have met the GOP halfway and agreed to have half union employees in the newly formed HS Dept and half non union?

    Should the Dems who opposed the NSA wiretaps have said that it's OK to tap without a warrant on odd numbered days?
  • kritt11
    CS- That wasn't quite what I was getting at, LOL- I think you took me a bit literally when I said meet half way.

    If middle-class voters get the idea that the GOP isn't working as hard to bail them out as they were to bail out corporate bigwigs and Wall Street financiers, they will reap the fruits of their own obstruction in 2010.
  • CStanley
    Well, I know that you didn't literally mean half way (I don't think anyone could even claim that the Dems are offering to meet the GOP half way anyway, not with a straight face.)

    I was just pointing out that compromise doesn't even mean doing that- because it rarely makes sense to split the difference. Instead, pragmatic centrists realize that you sort of take 100% of some ideas from one side and 100% of ideas from the other side on a different point, if you can find a way to do that so that the blend could actually work.

    As for 2010, I'm skeptical that the economy will be rebounding by then so if I look at it politically, I think the GOP is right in opposing this legislation. I wouldn't want them to make that choice just on that basis though, and in this case I think that their political interest and the country's best interest were both represented by the no votes.
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