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Give It A Rest Already — Another $2 Trillion?!

I keep trying to stop writing about these things so I don’t sound like a broken record, but it’s not my fault that they aren’t giving us even a single day of rest. Apparently they are now talking about buying up to $2 trillion worth of bad debt in order to try to spur lending again; an amount that should “take care” of the problem once and for all. This is an awful idea for many reasons.

The most obvious reason is that right now it doesn’t look like they are seeking any form of restitution. In fact, they are bending over backwards to give them hundreds of billions without trying to interfere at all. This is ridiculous, and like I’ve said before, outright theft from the tax payer. Even $700 billion is more than enough to create a completely new chain of banks, and $2 trillion is about 30% more than the entire banking system had before the start of the writedowns. If they are seriously thinking of trying to “start over” then it should be done in a way where all the existing banks that deserve to fail, fail.

All my prior writings show other reasons why I’d be against it, and while I won’t repeat those, I was reminded of a very concrete reason by this excellent comment at Obsidian Wings:

But right now it looks like our ability to raise addition funds selling to the long end of the yield curve is very limited, because foreign central banks are shifting their porfolios towards the short end of the curve (they would be fools not to). See this post by Brad Setser for some very scary graphs showing how rapidly foreign demand for long bonds (note that Setser is graphing not just T’s but Agencies and corp bonds) is tailing off (hat-tip: Nemo, who unpacks what this means in plainer language).

What this all means is that we can only finance a stimulus up to a maximum amount equaling the size of current year foreign demand for short dated Treasuries. It isn’t US domestic politics that is in the drivers seat to determine this number, but rather our Chinese banking overlords and how long of a leash they are willing to put us on.

Briefly, his quote “they would be fools not to be” refers to two things. First, there is a growing risk of a US Government default within the next 10-30 years, so holding long dated bonds is risky. More prosaically, with all this spending and all the Fed’s efforts to create a lot of inflation (because they erroneously think it will help) it becomes very dangerous to hold ten or thirty year bonds because they may drop in value a lot due to inflation. The result is that major players are now selling the long dated bonds (in fact the 30 year dropped the most in history last week) and moving the money into short term bonds.

Not being able to sell long term bonds is problematic for the government. If we have to finance all our adventures on the short end of the curve, then we will have to roll over the debt often and pay the prevailing interest rate — which by definition will be a lot higher than it is now if we start to successfully change things. This means that the interest payments on the debt we are occurring could easily be 2-3x current projections. If you factor in the increased rates on our existing debt, I could see this action easily increasing annual interest payments by stimulus sized amount ($300-$400 billion) which of course means at some point taxes have to be raised that much or programs cut. The other problem is that when the debt rolls over we have to convince the buyers to roll the money back into treasuries, and if they don’t want (or are unable) to, we have a huge problem. There could easily be a new liquidity crisis, except with government debt this time.

On a consumer level, the rise in long term rates also will cause mortgage rates to rise, exacerbating the housing downturn, and business funding costs to rise, deepening layoffs. The Fed’s response to this is that they could then buy the long term treasuries, but this would have to involve printing a lot of money, blowing up their balance sheet even more, and perhaps making them lose control of the money supply which would make the dollar plummet.

The banks got in trouble because they assumed they would have access to cheap short term credit forever, and then made dumb long term loans. That is exactly what the government is trying to do, and we will have all the same problems, except there will be no larger entity to help. I’ve said it so much that it’s become tiresome, but once again, by putting all our eggs on the “Depression Must Be Avoided At All Costs” square, we won’t be ready when a different number is hit. How was that for a tortured mixed metaphor? But one that captures this crazy time.

Update: “Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao squarely blamed the U.S.-led financial system for the world’s deepening economic slump…Beijing is re-examining its U.S. investments.” Assuming the world will support our growing need for debt indefinitely is a very dangerous game to play. There are increasing murmurs that they will stop supporting even much of our existing debt, especially as things get worse and they question whether it’d be better taking a one-time economic hit. All our models don’t account for the fact that China may just decide that it can live without us and use force to maintain domestic order until they get through the transition.

Update #2: The 10 year yield has skyrocketed nearly 0.3% in the last two days. It is now 0.8% above the low mark, while the 30 year is up over 1.0%. The shorter dated bonds have risen about 0.2% in that same time. It will be interesting to see if this is the beginning of a new rise in yields or whether it’s temporary, but the immediate reaction is very bad.

Update #3: Maybe $2 trillion isn’t enough…$4 trillion?

  • elrod
    We have two choices: nationalize the banks along the Swedish model, or let the banks fail while placing deposit in a safe government bank. The so-called "bad bank" plan is a terrible idea.
  • StockBoySF
    Say no to the Big Bad Bank.

    The only way I could get on board with this idea is if the government received ownership in the banks that needed help. For instance, if the govt. bought $100 bn in bad debt from Bank A, then the government should get a $100 bn ownership is Bank A. The banks may not like it, but that's the cost for receiving government help out of the hole banks dug. Also, if the banks receive government assistance then bonuses and pay should be curtailed among the top executives.

    Not all banks will need government assistance. And that's fine.

    The best plan would be one in which the failing banks say "No, we can't live under these terms." These banks need help and shouldn't be in a strong negotiating position.
  • mikkel
    Of course the banks in trouble aren't even worth $100 bn so it'd just be full nationalization. I'd go even further and say that the government should do "clawbacks" on executive compensation and look to see the extent of possibly criminal negligence they had.

    But, the thing I have to say is that we should only do that if we do the Swedish model which is to force all banks to do massive writedowns and then see. I don't believe that we should let the banks tell us when they want us to buy bad debt.
  • DLS
    Mikkel, please keep up the good work.

    Why do we want to create a "bad bank" with all the bad assets? Who says that will get the remnants of the ailing banks lending again, any more than our giving them so many billions already got them to lend again? Why would they assume any more risk at this time?

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    Stockster, I shudder at the idea of smiley-faced fascism (state capitalism, i.e., government ownership, of banks or anything else -- it can be said to exceed even Nader's fascistic dream of federal corporate charters or federal officials on boards of directors, etc.) but I will say that given the banks cannot, and should not be required to, make loans to risky borrowers, at least one caller-in to Thom Hartmann (lefty talk radio host) suggested a contemporary Hamiltonian-twisted idea of an actual federal bank, muscling far beyond existing federal roles in housing, into much of what has been mainly or exclusively private, making (no doubt subsidized) low-interest loans to people, loans of all kinds, for homes, yes, but also for autos, say, or just personal loans, jump-starting the economy (and sustaining it, afterward) by the equivalent of something much larger in size and scope than "micro-lending" or "micro-loans" in the developing world, as I thought of it.

    But I understand that you would want to see the federal government (and by stretching the metaphor, us all, with Washington as our agent) get something in exchange for all this money and other forms of bailout that are being contemplated.

    Meanwhile, what do other nations see (clearly, that is), but more reckless spending in the form the House bill has taken? Hopefully the Senate as well as Obama will see to it that the more ridiculous things are removed from the bill and the rest of it reduced where this is appropriate. What the Democratic House will do in reaction to this, who knows.
  • mikkel
    Well considering that I'm with you about how the problem is too many loans, not too few, but also think that we need to keep credit available for "good" (i.e. productive) uses, for me the solution is perhaps to follow the Swedish model (or have a new parallel banking system) where the government has a massive stake, but leaves private control. I think warrants are a good idea as the government stake would automatically scale back based on the amount of profit the bank made. We'd just have to be careful for the government not to actually back the bank's assets directly.

    I know all this sounds like a pipe dream considering political realities, but to me it sounds like a good combination between having good prudence but lessening moral hazard.
  • StockBoySF
    DLS, the government would not own the banking system... The government would be part owner of those banks who got themselves into trouble. I don't think the government should "own" the national banking system. Though a government bank which competes in the marketplace might be a good idea. It would certainly give other banks a run for their money especially because of the government guarantee behind its obligations. Though perhaps the government bank should only be in certain types of business lines....

    If the only question was, "How do we save the banks?" and no other consideration, then the Bad Bank idea is fine. I'm mostly against the Big Bad Bank idea because it rewards the failure of executives who made bad decisions.
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