So said President Bush in 2005 (when asked about reports of secret CIA prisons).
And yet, in truth, the U.S. does torture.
So says Susan Crawford, the convening authority of the Guantanamo military commissions, a Gates appointee and Bush administration official:
The top Bush administration official in charge of deciding whether to bring Guantanamo Bay detainees to trial has concluded that the U.S. military tortured a Saudi national who allegedly planned to participate in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, interrogating him with techniques that included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a “life-threatening condition.”
“We tortured [Mohammed al-]Qahtani,” said Susan J. Crawford, in her first interview since being named convening authority of military commissions by Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates in February 2007. “His treatment met the legal definition of torture. And that’s why I did not refer the case” for prosecution.
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Crawford, 61, said the combination of the interrogation techniques, their duration and the impact on Qahtani’s health led to her conclusion. “The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent… You think of torture, you think of some horrendous physical act done to an individual. This was not any one particular act; this was just a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for. And coercive. Clearly coercive. It was that medical impact that pushed me over the edge” to call it torture, she said.
Qahtani’s “interrogation took place over 50 days from November 2002 to January 2003.” Which means that Bush, who was ultimately responsible, whether he knew it or not, lied.
The various enablers and supporters of torture, both inside and outside the administration, have defended and continue to defend the use of techniques such as waterboarding, claiming that they do not amount to torture, but it has been clear for a long time, as we know that waterboarding was used on detainees, that the Bush Administration, from Bush and Cheney on down, sanctioned what is widely considered to be torture.
And now we have formal confirmation from no less an authority than the high-ranking administration official who is responsible for overseeing the military commissions and reviewing the treatment of detainees at Gitmo.
It's no surprise that someone would admit that people were tortured. This is not news.
What's news would be where Shaun Mullen currently is. (On a pilgrimage to Washington, DC, for the Inauguration? To the extent the crowd may be now much less than originally expected, blame the economy, not lack of interest; the interest and the hype remain very strong.) Shaun knows his performers — if you're out there, Shaun, No More Rich Corinthian Leather (that's a hint for the rest of y'all).
“Bush, who was ultimately responsible, whether he knew it or not, lied.”
You must know you are telling an untruth for it to be a lie. By adding the “whether he knew it or not” , which many if not most of the critics of the administration would disagree, you are no longer able to state with factual certainty that Bush lied. I also note the person making that determination did not conclude that any of the tactics by themselves or even in conjunction automatically constitute torture.
Personally I don't have strong feelings about the issue. I do note the scarcity of authorized use of “torture” leading me to believe that even if it works the US doesn't use it enough to consider it even close to vital.
DLS,
Shaun is still blogging at http://kikoshouse.blogspot.com and I suppose that's what makes his disappearance so mysterious…
Shaun is listed as a “past contributor” when you click on the “About TMV's Authors” link. I don't remember him giving his swan song.
Bush knew- he just looks and sounds stupid.
Back in mid December I noticed the “past contributor” in about the authors. SM said that he just wanted to spend more time at his own blog. But in politics “spending time with family” is a skeptical reason for leaving.