An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right

McCain on Veterans—Fact Check

In addition to foreign policy, last night’s debate focused on the very recent and very real economic crisis in our country. Several TMV contributors have already done an excellent job of analyzing how the two presidential candidates fared on those issues.

Another topic, and one that has been ever-present and gnawing at the American conscience for the past five-and-a-half years, was the never-ending war in Iraq. Both candidates forcefully expressed their widely differing views on this issue. Both praised the dedication, valor and sacrifice of our troops—as they should.

However, when Senator McCain, a hero himself, trumpeted his extensive support of our veterans, something did not sound quite right.

A comment in response to Michael Sticking’s September 27 post, “Initial Reflections on the First Obama-McCain Debate,” got my attention.

The comment by “Timr,” a 100 percent-disabled veteran since 1980, said in part:

Sorry, but when McCain said he supported Veterans, he flat out lied…I am involved in the DAV-Disabled American Veterans(life member) and the VFW(Veterans of Foreign Wars) and attended both conventions this year. Both candidates spoke…McCain got a D- grade on issues that Veterans feel are important from the DAV(the Webb GI bill was important, as were VA benefits-which McCain has pretty much voted against for 20 years-the VFW also gave McCain a D- on important issues while Obama got a B+ grade from both organizations.

While I would not say that McCain “flat out lied,” I would say that McCain at the very least has exaggerated and embellished the extent and vigor of his recent support for our veterans.

In a May 22, 2008, Senate vote on the Webb GI Bill, after having fought this more generous version of the bill tooth and nail, McCain was AWOL when 76 of his colleagues (including Senator Obama) voted in favor of the GI Bill.

When the Senate passed the final version of the GI Bill on June 26, by a vote of 92-6, only two Senators were absent: one was Senator Ted Kennedy who was recovering from brain surgery. You can guess who the other Senator was….

I have posted extensively on the GI Bill here, and here.

But do not take my word (or Timr’s word) for it. Take the word of Edward Humes, a journalist and prolific author who in 1989 received the Pulitzer Prize for specialized reporting for several investigative stories he wrote about the U.S. Military.

In 2006, he literally “wrote the book” on the G.I. Bill with his “Over Here: How the G.I. Bill Transformed the American Dream.” A book that tells how the post-World War II G.I. Bill “ revolutionized higher education, created suburbia, brought us the scientists, engineers, doctors, artists and teachers who built most of what is good in America today.”

While Humes mainly questions Senator McCain’s opposition to the G.I. Bill (“Why would a Vietnam War veteran and former prisoner of war, a man who is personally acquainted with the difficulties vets can face in returning to civilian life, join President Bush in opposing a popular bipartisan bill to support the troops?”), he offers many other examples of McCain’s less than stellar legislative support for veterans in a May 30, 2008 column in the Los Angeles Times, “McCain’s Attack on Vets– His respectful rhetoric isn’t matched by his votes”:

* On Webb’s GI Bill, he expressed opposition, and he was AWOL when it was time to vote on May 22.

* Last September [2007], he voted against another Webb bill that would have mandated adequate rest for troops between combat deployments.

* On a badly needed $1.5-billion increase for veterans medical services for fiscal year 2007 — to be funded through closing corporate tax loopholes — he voted no. He also voted against establishing a trust fund to bolster under-budgeted veterans hospitals.

* In May 2006, he voted against a $20-billion allotment for expanding swamped veterans medical facilities.

* In April 2006, he was one of 13 Senate Republicans who voted against an amendment to provide $430 million for veterans outpatient care.

* In March 2004, he voted against and helped defeat on a party-line vote a $1.8-billion reserve for veterans medical care, also funded by closing tax loopholes.

Again, Senator McCain is indisputably a war hero, but even war heroes can and should be fact-checked.

  • SoCalGuy
    I would take issue with your characterization of McCain as a "war hero". A few years ago "Flying" magazine had an article with interviews of pilots who'd flown in Vietnam and were relating their experiences while in-country (the general consensus was that if you followed the rules, procedures, and were reasonably cautious, you probably survived and went home in one piece. On the other hand, if you decided to be reckless and "hot dog" it you were a lot more likely to get shot down).

    I was withholding judgment McCain's own experience as a POW until there was some credible evidence one way or the other, but according to this article it would appear that the latter case applies to him as well. And while I sympathize with him (or anyone) being held as a POW, it would appear that in his case it was caused by his own (admitted) cockiness and disregard of established procedures for avoiding being shot down while on a combat mission (in fairness, he claims that he learned a lot of selflessness and humility during his time in captivity).

    http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-mcca...

    [...]

    He transferred to another carrier, the Oriskany. In August 1967, the squadron he joined had destroyed a power plant in Hanoi. Two months later, the plant had been rebuilt and was back in the Navy's sights.

    McCain begged for the mission. "The earlier raid was the pride of the squadron," he wrote. "I wanted to help destroy it again. I was feeling pretty cocky as well."

    On Oct. 26, 1967, in the air over Hanoi, an alarm signaled that a surface-to-air missile had locked onto his plane. He should have tried to evade the missile but decided to release his bombs first. The missile took off the plane's right wing; McCain ejected.

    [...]
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    SoCalGuy:

    Thanks for your comment.

    While McCain's "maverick" actions may have contributed to his aircraft being shot down, I would still consider him a war hero for his sacrifices as a Prisoner of War.

    I don't want to get in the Conservative mode, where some of them--through their swiftboaters ilk--shamefully attempt to turn heroes such as John Kerry and Max Cleland into villains. I will never forget--nor forgive--their characterization of Senator Mac Cleland's grenade accident that left him a triple amputee, as some kind of stupid, clumsy action nullifying his extreme sacrfice.

    Nough said...
  • SoCalGuy
    D. E.Rodriguez:

    Thanks for your comments as well, and I agree that we don't want to get into the "Swiftboating" mode either. Just wanted to point out another side of the McCain POW story that I haven't seen reported until the L.A. Times article.

    I'd also like to compliment the posters on this blog for their civil level of dialogue and discussion, sure is a pleasant change from most of the red-meat partisan blogs out there. :-)
  • JSpencer
    Maybe this record of McCain's on veterans issues explains why Obama has been receiving a greater level of campaign contributions from military personnel than McCain has. Last time I checked it was pretty lopsided.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Your comments and intentions are well taken, SoCalGuy, and--on behalf of
    TMV-- thanks for the kind words about our posters.

    Dorian de Wind
  • kritt11
    It seems that groups like DAV that rate members of Congress on veteran's issues are finally getting through to members of the military that the GOP is not always on their side, and that Democrats are actually fight harder to fund programs that they depend on.
  • kritt11
    BTW- It would have behooved Obama to fact check McCain on his record of voting against the interests of veterans during the debate. I didn't notice him doing so.
  • timr
    I was in the Army from 1968 to 1980. I was injured in Korea(the other war, from about the middle 60s until at least the middle 80s-that I know about- there were over 4000 combat contacts, over 2000 americans were killed along with almost 8000 injured.(over 4000 Korean military were killed durning this time frame and over 20,000 military and civilian were injured) At least 3 times we had reports of North Korean troops in our village at night. One time about 3000 Korean troops along with the US Army and Air Force chased a North Korean team over 500 miles around South Korea before they were finally caught and killed. It was a major operation, quite a big story on local Korean TV, yet never a mention in the american media. Call it the unknown war. I spent 1968 in Vietnam and was in Korea from 1975 to 1979. In my mind Korea was the more dangerous place. I lived within 4 km of the DMZ. We worked 24 hrs on duty and 16 hours off, 7days a week, 365 days a year. We had numerous North Korean incursions during that time period. I was married in 1976 and lived in the local village. I kept a weapon with me, and we had a shotgun at home. Korean curfew was from midnight to 6am every day. Anyone coming into our area was stopped and had their documents checked.
    I have spent a lot of time over the last 25 years in various VA hospitals in both Michigan and Texas. Allen Park in Detroit was the worst until they replaced it with a brand new VA hospital called John R.(the story I heard was that it is named after John R Dingal-D, Mi- because he was the one who got the hospital, thru an earmark I think) I now live in San Antonio Tx where the local VA hospital has to serve way to many people. When I was in the hospital for 11 day a few months ago I met people from as far away as El Paso, Brownsville and San Angelo. Yet no republician rep seems interested enough in building a VA hospital in the Rio Grande Valley. Just a couple of clinics. When I lived in Michigan I was never more than 250 miles from at least 5 VA hospitals. Except during the Clinton years, the VA has been underfunded but never more so than since the bush years began in 2001. Underfunded every year. 1 year they had to go back, over bushs objections, and ask for $4 billion more. I was in the local hospital in March April of this year. I saw broken equipment, broken toilets, ingrained dirt and a very strong antiseptic smell. Over all one of my worst experiences in the VA system. I have met many people who fought in Iraq/A'stan while waiting for appointments for either my wife or myself. Sometimes we have to wait many hours, some of the Drs are very bad. Yet I have to say that the local VA dental clinic is one of the best around, esp since they moved to larger quarters. The hospital is very crowded and sometimes one can't find a parking place. Then I go and park at my VA clinic about 4 miles away and take the shuttle bus. The VA is still greatly underfunded, in some places veterans are treated as if we were in a free county hospital and looking for drugs.The VA does have a rep. for over medicating . This, I am sorry to say, is true.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    timr:

    First, thank you for your service.

    Second, I am sorry to hear how our system has let you and other veterans down.

    Please send me your e-mail address via DISQUS, and I'd like to "chat" more with you to see if we can bring what appears to be some badly needed attention to your and other veterans' cases.

    Dorian de Wind
  • timr
    Dorian, will do.
blog comments powered by Disqus
© 2005-2009 The Moderate Voice | Site design by Elegant Themes | Site customization, hosting, and security by Enxit Group, LLC