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Poll: White Democrats’ Racism Could Cost Obama White House

A new AP-Yahoo News poll finds that white Democrats’ resistance to voting for a black man for President could cost Democratic Presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama the White House:

Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles.

The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.

We’ve noted repeatedly here that one of the emerging trends has been that GOP Presidential candidate Sen. John McCain has more solid Republican party base support than Obama has Democratic party base support. This poll adds yet another twist: it documents the racial aspect to the campaign — and underscores how it’s likely Obama could lose the election unless he heads into the November vote some 6 or 7 points ahead in polls.

One reason: some analysts have long argued that, on Election Day, independents will mostly break for McCain. They suggest feelings about race could play a role. Add to those voters the Democrats who don’t like blacks and Obama will need a cushion. The AP goes on:

Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He’s an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation’s oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.

More than a third of all white Democrats and independents — voters Obama can’t win the White House without — agreed with at least one negative adjective about blacks, according to the survey, and they are significantly less likely to vote for Obama than those who don’t have such views.

Such numbers are a harsh dose of reality in a campaign for the history books. Obama, the first black candidate with a serious shot at the presidency, accepted the Democratic nomination on the 45th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have a Dream” speech, a seminal moment for a nation that enshrined slavery in its Constitution.

“There are a lot fewer bigots than there were 50 years ago, but that doesn’t mean there’s only a few bigots,” said Stanford political scientist Paul Sniderman who helped analyze the exhaustive survey.

And it raises a further, often unmentionable question:

Is it likely that, in the end, Obama will wind up the 21st-century-equivalent of Al Smith, the New York Governor who ran against Herbert Hoover in 1928 and lost in a landslide due to soon-to-explode prosperity and anti-Catholic bigotry? By mid-century a Catholic named Sen. John F. Kennedy, Jr. was elected President, but it was too early for Smith in 1928. In terms of bigotry’s impact on voting, will 2008 be more like 1928 or 1960?

For more blog comment on this poll go HERE.

  • SteveK
    Just call me another old white man at the golf course but OBAMA gets my vote... I truly hope (and believe) that the dire predictions above are not the truth about what and how America is. It certainly isn't like that where I live.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    I expected race to be a factor in this race but these numbers sound really high even to me.
  • bacalove
    If people choose not to vote for Barack because of race and continue to experience high gas cost, food, loss of housing, loss of jobs to overseas competition, then they can vote for McCain. John McCain believes very heavily in deregulatin or no regulation. He believes Health Care should have no regulation and that Social Security should be privitized into the stock markets. He belives that Government should have very little input into people's lives that means not raising the minimum wage, less pell grants, less money for public schools and the list goes on. But what he does believe in is "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran and so the people of America can expect to experience more loss of young lives through wars instead of diplomacy. And, If people because of race cannot vote for Barack, then say hello to third-world conditions here in the United States. That is what they will be voting for.


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  • JSpencer
    Most of us, meaning those of us who get out and interact in the real world on a regular basis among a variety of socio-economic types, understand that racsism is going to play a part in this election. The only question is: How much of a part is it going to play? It has become increasingly clear for sometime now that our electorate is "challenged" when it comes to weighing the evidence and making solid, coherent choices. The addition of a racial component adds yet another variable. If Obama loses this election it will, I'm afraid, be a case of a government again being tipped into power by the influence of two of the greatest enemies of any democracy: Fear and Ignorance. I hope and pray (in my own agnostic way ;-) those two enemies of our republic are sent packing this time around.
  • Silhouette
    The numbers don't sound high to me. I live in rural white america and I can count the number of black people I see each week on one hand. That being said, and while I harbor no misgivings about blacks since I grew up around a plethora of minorities and learned that as many ignorant, stupid, lazy and violent white people who create their own problems exist as in minority populations, the majority of people I live around are prejudiced, plain and simple.

    In fact, most of the folks around here, men AND women are utterly pissed off that the choice exists between, and I quote, "That (n-word) and a woman!! (Presumably the "threat" of Palin succeeding McCain)"

    I would say based on my surroundings that the odds are much higher stacked against Obama.

    Which is why if he wants that critical lead badly enough, he needs to appeal to white idiots on an even baser level than their petty prejudices and misogyny. He needs to get inside their wallet and spell out exactly why McCain's gang (the GOP) were the people that thinned it up for him and made it so he had to cut back on his weekly budlight allowance from "the wife".

    Obama needs to keep the focus on the GOP as the source of our money crises. Obama needs (and he'll hate this) to flaunt over and over again the Clinton success-record with the previously GOP-broken economy pre-1992, turning it to a surplus. Obama needs to attack BigOil lobbying and manipulation of energy policies that greatly assisted the bankruptcy of our nation.

    If he does these things over and over like a mantra and doesn't allow McCain to divert his attention, he will win the election. McCain's people are crafty; they are wiley, wise and adaptable. They will put a spin on anything and could get you to kill your grandma in a week if they had enough time to get inside your head. He needs to expose this MO, laugh off their continual affronts and keep his nose steady on target.

    This will be a test of his focus. If he stays focused and convinces "beer-hall Joe" that the lesser of two evils is voting for the (n-word) over "the guy who made it so I can't buy brewskies anymore", then he should have the win in the bag.
  • LynneG
    You people are missing the point of this whole election regarding racism. In my opinion, I believe that deep down, a lot of whites are and have always been AFRAID of blacks. This doesn't mean they hate them. It's just something they can't control.
  • Ricorun
    I think Joe is misinterpreting what this poll suggests. Joe interprets it to mean that " it’s likely Obama could lose the election unless he heads into the November vote some 6 or 7 points ahead in polls." I think a more correct interpretation is that Obama would be 6 or 7 points higher in the polls if it were not for his race.
  • Why are you even headlining this?
    We know there is racism out there and you are just fueling this.
    There is nothing we can do or change these narrow minded
    people prejudice as they are not the most intelligent people
    on the planet, so best to ignore them.
  • heavenhorse
    I think racism has appeared not from Obama as much as his supporters like P Diddy, Oprah and Whoopie Goldberg who are rude and angry towards his opponents. This behavior scares the white audience since it is based on their prejudice and anger against whites. I feel Obama has tried to lead a political campaign that hasn't been focused on race ; however, the people surrounding him and supporting him create this division that can be sensed by the white audience. This is very sad because having P Diddy slander McCain and Palin in the name of Obama creates race wars. I hope these archaic race games stop so all can unite and build a better America. I don't want an ' Old boys Black Network wither" like the one that existed WIith the leadership at Fannie Mae or the " Old Boys white Network"..can we really have change ? I pray we can for the children and the foundation of this beautiful and amazing country.
  • StockBoySF
    "... according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them “lazy,” “violent” or responsible for their own troubles."

    Yes, I certainly understand how and why whites think like this. But what's ironic is that the description applies more to both McCain/Palin than to Obama.....

    Obama is anything but lazy (he possesses the mental discipline necessary to graduate magna cum laude from Harvard. Whereas Palin didn't do well in the five colleges she went to to cobble together a degree in journalism (even getting a D in macroeconomics....) and McCain choose to party at the Naval Academy, graduating at number 894 in his class of 899.

    As far as violence.... hahaha.... that's particularly ironic.... In McCain we have a trained soldier who shoots first and ask questions later... a man who wants to bomb Iran and who seems to think military action can solve more problems than diplomacy (Obama favors resolving issues through diplomacy before invading and bombing them). And of course there's moose-hunting Palin who even supports hunting down wolves from helicopters, even if it means chasing them so long until they die from exhaustion.

    "Responsible for their own troubles..." I think McCain and Palin both win this over Obama... McCain has been involved in scandals such as the Keating Five and Palin has been involved in scandals such as abusing her power. Obama has been involved in scandals, but not the same types of scandals... there's Rezko (whose wife bought a lot next to the house Obama wanted, and that purchase by Rezko's wife cleared the way for Obama's purchase), there's the pastor scandal.... though both Palin and McCain both have similar pastor scandals...., etc. From what I can see Obama has never abused his power or used his office for personal financial gain.

    So this hypocrisy in the American public needs to be addressed. Granted racism is deep-seated and many voters won't listen to reason....
  • jwest
    Obama has had a steady decline and McCain a steady rise with whites and Hispanics since the republican convention.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/108040/Candidate-Sup...

    This could be more a statement of comfort than race.
  • StockBoySF
    katiec said, "We know there is racism out there and you are just fueling this.
    There is nothing we can do or change these narrow minded
    people prejudice as they are not the most intelligent people
    on the planet, so best to ignore them."

    No I disagree... first of all sweeping problems under the rug has never made those problems go away. That reminds me of Romney's response when Obama admitted to using drugs.... Romney said he didn't think Obama should ever admit to such a thing. Personally I think if you're going to combat a problem then you should stand up and speak about it. If there is a personal story behind it which shows that you understand it and can connect to the person who wants to do drugs, then you become more effective. Back to the point of the post, so we need to talk about race.

    Second of all is the charge that Joe is fueling this... what, exactly is being fueled by discussing this issue? If the post were about McCain calling Michelle Obama something racist (and it depends on the tone of the post) then that would probably just add fuel to a fire. But this is discussing an issue that could cost Obama the election. Not addressing it WILL cost Obama the election.

    So I think it is important to get out there and talk to people about their racist beliefs. But given how deep-seated racism is, it is important to be very careful with the approach. Such a conversation might be how you think other people are racist and some of their views. A person who is struggling with their racist views may not be comfortable talking about their views (depends on the relationship you have with them) so an abstract conversation might be the best approach. Of course this approach won't work for everyone but that's not the point. The point is to discuss racism and educate people. That's the only way racism can be defeated. Don't expect those people to suddenly see the light at the end of the conversation- they won't. But they should be given something to think about. it's a slow process but if they eventually develop a more positive attitude towards their fellow citizens then that's what's important.
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  • SteveK
    jwest,

    To quote another poster here: "[You] seem terribly depressed when the polls are down, then chipper and happy when [your guy] is ahead. This emotional rollercoaster can’t be good for [you]".

    Picking and choosing only the polls and internals that agree with your position while at the same time denigrating others for doing the same seems disingenuous... to say the least.

    It seems we're all looking forward to the 4th of November... and to "our sides" victory. It will be interesting.
  • StockBoySF
    heavenhorse, "Old boys Black Network".... I think it's pretty clear to anyone who is paying attention that there won't be an Old Boys Black Network in an Obama White House.... most of Obama's advisors... including from the time when he was considered a long-shot, are white. If Obama becomes president there's no reason Obama would dump a winning team and install them with people he didn't know and hadn't worked with. This is one of those areas of racism... there are lots of people who think that Obama does have a hidden black agenda and will let the blacks control national policy. There is no basis for that belief, especially given Obama's advisors. If Obama becomes incapacitated as Prez, Obama did choose a white guy to succeed him. That's hardly part of some nefarious plot to have blacks take over the country....
  • WELL I guess we mean ol' blacks made the lily white financial industry fall with a BOO and a fried chicken party. LOL!

    An "Old Boys Black Network" is just hilarious. How in the heck can Obama pull that off in a country where he's the minority and the majority of Congress is white? If that happened, we really live in the Twilight Zone.
  • elrod
    Ricorun is right. This is already built into the polls. The Wilder Effect hasn't shown up in any election since 1996. If people oppose Obama because he's black, they're already telling pollsters that they won't vote for him. So this isn't really news.

    Also, Obama's campaign knows this. That's why they're working extra hard to get young and minority voters out to the polls to overcome the white bigot vote.

    Another important point is to appeal to white working class voters on economic issues. With the chaos of late white working class voters are more willing to listen to Obama than if times were smoother.

    And THAT's why the Wall Street crisis helps Obama. It reminds working class whites than economic issues matter more than culture war crap.
  • We're all racist, all sexist. I've posted this several times and really wonder if any of you ever go and check it out. This Harvard Psychology Implicit Associations Test was highlighted in the book Blink. It shows that we are all internally biased against blacks, and in fact, dark skin. And we all have gender bias against women. These tests have been taken by millions of people, and the results show an almost universal bias. Hard as you try, your upbringing in America has imprinted these biases into you.

    So, we may want to paint racism as "ignorance" or worse, as several commenters here have implied. And, Sil, we want to think of sexism as ignorant or evil too. But, sadly, we all carry these patterns. I can virtually guarantee that Sil will "fail" the gender bias test and that T-Steel will "fail" the skin color test.

    African Americans show anti-black bias (as do whites) and women show anti-woman bias (as do men). Go ahead. See for yourself.

    Now, how it will affect the election is uncertain. Many of us will overcome our automatic ingrained bias and vote rationally. Some won't.
  • I know all about anti-black bias in the African-American community. The light-skinned blacks vs. dark-skinned blacks dynamic is still alive and well. I've experienced it (being on the lighter shade) at times. I know black folks who say that the only reason Obama has gotten this far is because he is not "Africa" black (very dark skinned).

    GreenDreams is right. It seems to be a human condition which probably won't go away unless we're attacked by aliens from outer space.
  • kritt11
    The only way to defeat racism is to keep running serious black candidates like Obama who have a wide appeal to all races. Even If it doesn't happen this time-- it will happen someday. He's already broken down historical barriers just by winning the nomination. If he does win, it will be one more major barrier broken, and every black kid will be able to raise their hand in class and say they'd like to be president some day.

    This middle-age white liberal just hopes she lives to see it. To tell you the truth, even tho I was a HC supporter, I got teary-eyed when he was nominated last month.
    One thing is for certain- we will be seeing a lot more diversity in WH races from here on out.
  • StockBoySF
    kritt11, "One thing is for certain- we will be seeing a lot more diversity in WH races from here on out."

    I agree with you on that. In fact this morning I was wondering if McCain/Palin were to lose if Palin would stand a chance of being nominated by the GOP for prez. some day. Part of my thoughts include what she would have to do to gain the knowledge and experience to become a solid candidate for prez....

    Maybe she'll join the the Alaska Independent Party and they'll nominate her in a few years. After learning about all this stuff about Alaska, including the amount of money they take from the rest of the US and Palin's increasing the tax on energy companies to give to her fellow Alaskans (and those costs are passed on to the rest of us), I'd be willing to vote for Palin for prez some day, as long as she promised to push Alaska's succession through.... :)
  • Leonidas
    On the other hand, racism could win Obama the whitehouse. Its not like he hasn't made major efforts to remind everyone that he is black and a "historic candidate", he definately didn't accept the nomination on the anniversay of Dr. King's march in from of white columns symbolizing the Lincoln memorial to keep the issue of race out of the campaign.
  • Ricorun
    Greendreams, that was fascinating. Thank you for the link. So far I've only completed the racial bias test. And I have to say, I'm disappointed in myself but not particularly surprised. According to them my results indicate that I have a strong automatic preference for European Americans. As hard as it is for me to accept, I think they're probably right.

    All day I've been tossing around in my mind what I could say about this topic. And the more I thought about it the more complex it got in my mind. I suppose it's only human to seek and/or to be drawn to simple solutions to complex issues. But by the same token, as logical beings, most of us know better than to put much faith in instinctive, knee-jerk reactions.

    In that regard I hereby proclaim that unless Obama screws up in some unconscionable way, at this point the likelihood is very high that I will vote for him to become our next president. And thanks to Greendream's link, perhaps now more than ever it's clear to me that my decision has nothing to do with skin color. Apparently I'm a honkey for Obama.
  • StockBoySF
    Leonidas, "....he definately didn't accept the nomination on the anniversay of Dr. King's march in from of white columns symbolizing the Lincoln memorial to keep the issue of race out of the campaign."

    Hahaha... the convention dates were set while Obama was still considered a long shot. As far as the columns.... those (and similar columns) have been used for thousands of years.... If the DNC wasn't going to use columns as the backdrop, what would have used? The decor out of a Hooters restaurant?

    Look, for years politics have been driven by sexism, racism, etc. Funny how no one complained about it until an African American (or a woman) had a chance of actually becoming the prez.
  • nepr
    Channeling Greendreams...

    I'm black. And, I'm a racist. And a sexist. And an ageist. And a chauvinist (too many smart Asians and East Asians, here in Sillyvalley). And a uglyist. And a non-Equestrianist (English-style, only, please). And (related) a Ride-mountain-bike-on-riding-trailsist. In short, I'm one stupid, prejudiced, SOB, and as such should not be trusted to make important decisions, like who to vote for.

    To me, the most interesting thing about this "study" is the window turns they had to make to try and get people to be honest about their feelings. I mean, people seem to be perfectly willing, even proud, to own up to other irrational beliefs. What makes believing that skin-color has some magical property that affects people's personalities and proclivities worse than believing that the positions of huge balls of matter, millions, billions, trillions, of miles away can somehow do the same, and even predict the future? Like that guy said, in the Star Trek episode

    http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/By_Any_Other_Na...

    "Strange creatures, these humans."
  • superdestroyer
    Senator Obama is running close in the polls because of the refusal of his advisors who pull away from the existing power structures in the Democratic Party. Senator Obama should throw black leadership under the bus as a huge failure and disavow many of their pet projects. The idea that in a time of trillion dollar deficits that the government has money to pay above market rates to black own contractors or bus white kids across town is laughable.

    The other part of the poll is how rational are the views on blacks held by whites. As by daughter points out, she does not have any blacks in her AP/IB classes in high school even though the school is 10% black. Asian students will openly express their comptent for the lazy behavior of blacks yet white kids all learn to mouth the politically correct line that everything is due to anti-black racism.
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