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Estimate of White Audience at Republican Convention Off By a Whopping Six Percentage Points

In my post, “’Right’ Convention, Wrong Country?”, I commented on how the Republican attacks on Democrats—who make up about one-half of voting-age Americans—and their selected candidates, gave me the sensation that I was watching a political “revival” in some foreign country.

I also noted that,

My feelings that this convention was not being held in the U.S.A. were reinforced when the cameras scanned over a sea of faces supposed to represent the diversity, the kaleidoscope that is the United States of America, but, instead, was 99 percent white.

After reading a couple of articles, including one from the Dutch “De Telegraaf,” I have to admit that my impression that 99 percent of the Republican delegates were white, was somewhat overblown.

In “A White Convention,” in De Telegraaf, Jan-Kees Emmer writes (translation soon available on WatchingAmerica.com):

It had already attracted my attention in the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, where Republicans convened. The audience was noticeably whiter than the one at the Democratic Convention last week in Denver. On my way to Wasilla, I came across the numbers in the New York Times. And they don’t lie. Not only was the Republican Convention indeed much whiter than that of Democrats, but also when compared against previous Republican gatherings, the attendees have become considerably “one-sided.”

Then Emmer sets me straight: “93 percent of the Republican delegation is white.”

A whopping six percentage points less than what I had estimated!

Perhaps what led me to settle on that percentage was that the cameras of the TV channel I was watching the final night of the Republican National Convention consistently, unfailingly, and repeatedly (are there any other synonyms?) kept scanning back to the same, nice-looking, somewhat senior, black man on the Convention floor.

Since we are talking about statistics and since I have mentioned the New York Times, it may be interesting to see what Patrick Healy has to say about this subject in that newspaper.

In his “Two Conventions With No Shortage of Contrasts,” he notes such “overwhelmingly white” attendance at the Republican Convention, and says “…the contrast in racial and ethnic demographics is perhaps most visible to viewers of the conventions, being held this year on consecutive weeks…” and provides the following statistics:

According to polls of delegates conducted by The New York Times and CBS News, 93 percent of the Republican delegates are white (compared with 85 percent in 2004 and 89 percent in 2000), while 5 percent are Hispanic and 2 percent are black. The Democratic delegate pool in Denver, according to the survey, was 65 percent white, 23 percent black and 11 percent Hispanic, roughly the same as at other recent Democratic conventions.

Healy further comments:

Both the content of the messages and the color of the faces reflect a clear political reality. In 2000 and 2004, Mr. Bush and one of his top lieutenants, Ken Mehlman, worked explicitly to win more black and Hispanic votes. This year the Republicans are aggressively reaching out to the base of their party — white, male, conservative — while making a new appeal to women with the addition of Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska to the ticket.

It appears that at least on this one issue—appealing to the white, male, conservative base, and ignoring minorities—John McCain, is definitely distancing himself from Bush.

The question is, will this particular attempt at separating himself from Bush turn out to be a wise “degree of separation?”

Finally, back to the observer from afar, Dutch journalist Jan-Kees Emmer. Emmer is on his way to Wasilla. It will be interesting to see what an independent journalist will report from the Big City. Will keep you posted here, and in WatchingAmerica.com.

UPDATE: For the translated Dutch article, “A White Convention,” click here

  • superdestroyer
    The libertarian party was probably as white or whiters than the Repubican Party. The Green Party, before they lost their minds, was also very white.

    The real quesiton is can any conservative party appeal to non-whites when the average economic standings between whites on the one side and blacks and Hispanics on the other side is so large. I doubt that there is anyway to organize or crate a conservative party that would ever appeal to blacks or Hispanics.
  • Leonidas
    Something caught my attention about this article, it seems to criticize Republicans for how few black delegates were at the convention, but I think such criticism misplaced, it is the Deocratic National Convention that seems to have far too few black delegates. Take a look at some data and my argument:

    http://people-press.org/report/?pageid=750

    64% of blacks describe themselves as Democrats, and another 21% say they lean toward the Democratic party.

    ...
    Just 7% of African Americans identify themselves as Republicans (another 3% lean Republican).


    Given those figures wouldn't we expect that for every 1 black republican delegate we would have about 10 black democratic delegates? Yet the ratio is only about 3 to 1. While the Democratic party surely favored by black voters, one has to wonder why they haven't given more delegate positions to blacks. The Republican party seems to have done a much better job at representing the black community in its selection of delegates, even if it hasn't done as well convincing black voters to support the GOP.
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    Leonidas says:

    "64% of blacks describe themselves as Democrats, and another 21% say they lean toward the Democratic party.

    ...
    Just 7% of African Americans identify themselves as Republicans (another 3% lean Republican)."


    That is exactly the point, Leonidas. Why aren't more minorities in the Republican party?

    If there were more blacks and latinos in the Party, then it would logically follow that there would be more black and latino delegates at the convention.

    But, apparently John McCain doesn't care (read the post)...he is gunning for the lily- white, evangelical, conservative base, and his selection of Sarah Palin proves it.
  • Good to see you correcting that. We can't have these 6% errors hanging out in perpetuity.
  • StockBoySF
    To pick up Leonidas thought about black representation among the delegates....

    In Dorian's posting, Healey of the NY Times said, "93 percent of the Republican delegates are white (compared with 85 percent in 2004 and 89 percent in 2000), while 5 percent are Hispanic and 2 percent are black. The Democratic delegate pool in Denver, according to the survey, was 65 percent white, 23 percent black and 11 percent Hispanic"

    If we look at demographics in the US, whites make up 80% of the population, blacks, 12.8% and hispanics make up 15.1%.

    So the GOP is disproportionately white (delegates), while the Dems have almost twice as many black delegates as the US population as a whole. Hispanics seem to be underrepresented in both parties as a percentage of the US population, but then I think that many of the illegal immigrants (included in the US population total) are hispanics, so it's not surprising to see hispanics underrepresented based on population percentage.

    I don't understand Leonidas's argument that with 7% of blacks identifying themselves as Republican and another 3% leaning Republican, that somehow the Dems are doing worse than the Republicans in having black delegates....

    Whether one uses 7% black Republicans or 10% (with the three % of blacks leaning Republican), the Republican convention only had 2% black delegates...

    As I noted above, the Dems have 23% black delegates, nearly twice as many blacks as the percentage of blacks in the US population.

    I got my US population figures from Wikipedia:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_states_of_a...
  • StockBoySF
    Dorian, concerning your comment about the camera panning to the same senior black man on the convention floor the last night of the convention...

    Earlier in the week (I think it was Tuesday, it might have been Monday when the GOP was all mushy mushy on the "all American" theme... I noticed quite a diverse crowd in the convention. The station I watched (don't ask me which one, I don't recall what I watched that night) seemed to emphasize the "rainbow coalition" :) by focusing in on non-whites..... The few wide shot glimpses I got seemed to show an audience of mostly whites, though I couldn't be sure...

    But on subsequent nights the cameras seemed to show mostly whites.

    I did not watch Fox, but I did watch C-Span, MSNBC and CNN. I don't think I watched any other networks during the convention.
  • elrod
    I think Superdestroyer has made this point many times before. The Republican Party is doomed if the 93% white ratio does not change rapidly. This country is becoming less white every year. If the GOP does not figure out a way to win large numbers of non-whites, it is literally headed for oblivion.

    Karl Rove understood this, which is why he pushed for a comprehensive immigration policy. But the white base revolted and now the Hispanic population is more Democratic than ever.
  • Rudi
    I'll have to Google, but wasn't the Republicans more represented by blacks from Reconstruction until FDR. This changed dramatically with the Nixon stradegy, which welcomed the Dixiecrats.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    I hope I don't offend anyone by this, as that isn't my intention, but whites, as a whole, are more educated than minorities. And this is where I'm concerned about offending, but they also have a stronger work ethic than blacks do. This is not opinion, but something factual that can be verified in any sociology textbook. It's actually a real problem among black communities, especially with black men. Having said this, I believe it is this mentality of minorities to not want to go after "the American Dream," as so many whites do. I'm concerned that too many of them are looking for handouts, and because of this, they turn to the democrats, who are enabling their behavior even further and hindering them from living to their full potential. It's really a sad picture. Does anyone else agree on this?
  • D. E.Rodriguez
    ThinkingOnYourWhatever:



    Needles to say that your prejudiced comments do not even deserve a response, but suffice to say that, sadly, yes, there will be some who agree with you. Hopefully for our country, they (and you) were not part of the 93 percent who attended your Party's Convention.
  • superdestroyer
    D.E.

    It is impossible for the more conservative party to appeal to non-whites. As long as blacks and Hispanics want to tax whites to increase transfer payments to themsleves, they will remain Democrats. In addition, the voting rights act and the requirement to create majority/minority districts limits what the Republicans can do. There are three districts that are less than 50% white what are represented by Republicans. they are all represented by cuban-americans.

    Eventually the Republicans will become irrelevant and the U.S will be a one party state since the green party is no better at appeal to blacks or Hispanics than the Republicans.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    D. E. Rodriguez,

    Well, maybe you're right, but they look like feet to me. :) hehehe

    Like I said, I wasn't trying to offend anyone, and my apologies that I obviously upset you, but these are, sadly, facts not opinion, and I state them out of concern - not prejudice.

    These are facts stated in current college textbooks at state funded colleges. It's not being prejudiced - it's just stating things as they are.

    I'm not against blacks - I have much love for them and my heart goes out to them. I would truly love to see them living better lives, but only they can do that for themselves.

    Did you know the problem of black men not working is so bad that many black women chose not to marry for fear that they'll end up having to support him? It's a problem in the black community, and I wish there were a way to make things better - for "all" of them.

    Anyway, I didn't post this to start an argument but to hopefully discuss this intelligently. I wish our country did more to help minorities better themselves and be productive, happy citizens in our country. Perhaps a lot of this is due to their education? I love those movies where a teacher comes into a low-income school and gets the students to believe in themselves and do something with their lives. We need a LOT more of that going on!! Blacks have just as much potential as whites, and they deserve to be well educated and living productive lives.
  • SteveK
    ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet said: "These are facts stated in current college textbooks at state funded colleges. It's not being prejudiced - it's just stating things as they are."

    How about a few links to these "FACTS" of yours, TOMOTF?

    If and when you "can't" and/or "won't" find links to back up the racist statements that you've made I think many (myself included) will conclude that you are little more than an ignorant, frightened tool doing the bidding of those you don't know... on a topic you don't understand.

    For your sake, and for my belief that we as a nation are getting better, I look forward to you looking into what you've said and realizing you were mistaken.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    Steve, it's not a problem at all. Your request took less than 5 minutes. I just went back to the works cited section in some of my old sociology essays in college. I got my information from the books cites below. The reason I know this stuff is because I studied and wrote essays on this information. You should easily be able to find these books very cheaply on Amazon at a used cost if you wish to look into them, and I urge you to do so. You can easily find the information by using the index at the back. Please don't call me racist for stating factual information I have found within college textbooks.

    I hope this helps, and again, if I were racist, why would I care about the state of the black community? I would like to see things improve for them. I am stating the facts so that people realize changes need to be made. I'm glad you think our nation is getting better, but please don't tell me that you think the black communities living in poverty are doing just fine... they're not, and they need our help. I am not willing to turn a blind eye and pretend the problem doesn't exist.

    I would be willing to discuss this further if you can agree to be polite and respectful about it. Your tone above is not one I'm willing to communicate with.

    The dates on the books below are older than 5 years, but my college, Indiana University - a top tier college, was using these within the last few years, and I can't imagine that things have changed much since then.


    Ferguson, Susan. Shifting the Center. Moutain View, CA: Mayfield 2001

    Skolnick, Arlene. Family in Transition: 11th edition. Needham Heights, MA: Pearson
    2001.

    Kimmel, Michael S and Michael A. Messner. 1995. Men’s Lives. 3rd ed. Boston: Allyn
    and Bacon.

    Renzetti, Clair M., and Daniel J. Curran. 1995. Women, Men, and Society. 3rd ed.
    Boston: Simon & Schuster.
  • SteveK
    TOMOTF said: "You should easily be able to find these books very cheaply on Amazon at a used cost if you wish to look into them... I hope this helps."

    That ain't a quote TOMOTF... that's admitting you "can't" and/or "won't" back up your words with an "actual" quote or link. Your list of book titles and a reference to amazon to buy them is a novel way to try and make a point... but actually, it does just the opposite.

    If you don't understand what I was asking for you can go to dictionary.com and look up the words 'link', 'quote', or 'reference'. I think this will help.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    Steve,
    That is your opinion, and due to the way you have presented yourself, I'm not too concerned with your opinion. Your classless language, rude, degrading comments towards me and the apathetic attitude you have shown towards the black community do not constitute the qualities of someone I care to discuss anything with. I'm shocked that you act in such a manner and "display your picture." Would you have treated me this way "in person?" I would think you would be embarrassed for someone you know to discover the cold, disrespectful way in which you treat others online, but... perhaps not.

    To be honest, I was under the assumption that this was an intelligent community of people, and I was hoping to discuss this topic with people who already had an understanding of this issue. I didn't post here trying to "convince" people... I wanted to discuss something I thought many of you would already be aware of.

    I can find and post actual "quotes" from my essays, as I saved them all on my computer. However, I will *not* spend the time and go to the trouble looking through my essays for the right quotes to post just for *you* only... not after the way you have treated me.... and I certainly won't do it just to "convince" you. However, If *anyone else* would like to see them, and if they can ask in a *respectful way,* I will consider doing so if you are genuinely interested... again, I was hoping to discuss this issue with people already in the know.
  • hinoaka
    TOMOTF, normally I avoid commenting on these boards but I was so struck by your comments I felt I had to weigh in. I can't help but feel that your expressed concerns and ideas, while no doubt meant in all sincerity, are at the best naive, but come off as very condescending and insulting. I will reserve using the term "racist" for now.

    Let's discuss: you state that "whites, as a whole, are more educated than minorities. And this is where I'm concerned about offending, but they also have a stronger work ethic than blacks do." Without a doubt this needs clarification as to your meaning. Are you looking at percentages? Blacks make up only 12% of the US population and whites approximately 63%. By mathematical calculations, then, there will almost certainly be more educated whites than blacks. However, if you're interested in an actual study of these things, aside from a handful of sociology textbooks, here's one that states: "For young adults with similar levels of prior educational achievement, blacks were more likely to attend college than whites. Among college attendees with similar levels of prior educational achievement, blacks’ college completion rates were as high as, or higher than, the college completion rates of whites." The study is here:

    http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2001/inequality/

    Now, as for the idea that blacks are inherently endowed with a worse work ethic than whites, if you honestly believe that then there's probably no changing your mind. However, if you'd care to read the reasons why, here's a link:

    http://books.google.com/books?id=Niv48gFImSYC&p...

    It's rather long but to paraphrase it states that joblessness and turnover among black males is due to a combination of residential segregation, positions with traditionally high turnover, and workplace discrimination. Additionally, you have to consider the sample groups: if you take a young black man living in abject poverty and compare him to a middle class white man who attended college, of course his "work ethic" and education will seem subpar. However, compare that same black to a white also living in abject poverty, and the comparison shifts.

    I wish I had room to address all the aspects of your observations that were troubling, but I will touch on this last one. Your usage of phrases like "...democrats, who are enabling their behavior even further and hindering them from living to their full potential" and "I'm not against blacks - I have much love for them and my heart goes out to them. I would truly love to see them living better lives, but only they can do that for themselves" show that racism comes in many forms. Contrary to what you may believe, it isn't defined soley by the display of violence or hatred of one group by another. As to the first remark, you belittle a political party that provides the social programs and assistance that many people of all colors appreciate, yet imply that only blacks are using these services and are therefore glomming onto all the handouts they can get. Perhaps you should take to task all white trailer-park dwellers who rely on food stamps, education assistance, welfare-to-work programs, etc., because these are the exact same forms of assistance that you seem to think blacks rely on, rather than improving themselves.

    The second remark, I must say, is ridiculous not because of any outright negativity, but for the pity and sympathy you express for "them"--as if all blacks in America, each and every one, is part of a huge lump of poor, uneducated souls, who have a lousy work ethic and are living unhappy lives that make you feel bad. Since you're obviously not black (I'm guessing you're white, as you did not indicate any other group), perhaps you don't understand the notion of racism expressed in the form of "child like" blacks. Adults understand that children are not their equals mentally, physically, etc.; and by projecting this image onto blacks it's a subtler but equally insulting form of discrimination and racism. While you may think the meaning is just "I just feel bad for them because they have so much potential," what comes across is "I feel bad that you are such a child and will never improve yourself without a white person's help."

    My final comment will be about your suggestion that more movies about teachers coming into inner-city schools and improving the students (I'm paraphrasing here) and giving them hope is the most asinine of all, with no offense intended. And to express that you want more of these! Consider if the situations were reversed and a group of lousy, violent, good for nothing white students was depicted, only to have a saintly, tough-love-talking black teacher come in to assimilate them. You can't imagine it, can you? Because it will never happen. Until whites are no longer depicted as the master bestowing his knowledge, help, money, etc. onto the semi-grateful black denizens who refuse to help themselves; and until hapless posters like yourself really make an attempt to get educated about the world around you instead of referring to a diverse group of people as "them," we will never make any progress.

    I hope this posting helped even a bit.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    Hinoaka,
    I started out reading your post with an open-mind and happily willing to hear your objections, as it seemed as though you were coming from a place of love and respect. I'm always happy to receive constructive criticism, but you quickly changed tunes and starting throwing insults my way. This quickly killed my desire to continue respectfully reading your post. If we can't be respectful towards each other, we will never make any progress - or ever hope to persuade anyone.

    Had you stated your opinions respectfully, I might be more inclined to respond, but I'm not, because you don't at all seem to be objective towards what I have to say, and you even put words into my mouth that I never said... on more than one occasion even.... such as saying I said that blacks are the only people on government assistance. Of course this is very untrue, and I never said this. Another example of you doing this is explained below... and something I must comment on.

    Your comment of claiming that I implied that blacks need "white" people exclusively to help them is highly, highly, highly offensive, and I would **never** state such a thing. *You* put these words into my mouth. Most of the movies I have seen about the topic you addressed had "black" teachers helping the students! I guess we've been exposed to entirely different movies on this subject? Anyway, I have time and time again seen a black person make a difference in a white person or "persons" life. Have you not? Look at all the difference Booker T. Washington made in his lifetime. He was a hero. He helped blacks "and" whites... and he was "not" a white man, he's black. Some of America's greatest, most respectable men, have been black. It's not about a person's race, it's about who they are as a person. We can *all* help each other. It's a sad world when one race offering a hand to another must worry about "offending" the other race. :(

    It's pointless arguing points with someone who doesn't show a willingness to be objective and who also puts words into my mouth. You obviously already made up your mind about me, otherwise, you wouldn't have read something into my comments that weren't there to begin with. You did bring up a couple good points that would be fun to discuss, but it seems as though you're just looking to argue with someone online, and I won't go along with it.

    I still stand by and defend my above statements. There will be those that think it's racist, but so be it. They are simply facts. Ignoring a problem because of the concern of offending the person or people at risk does nothing to help them.... and doesn't make the problem go away. It *is* a problem, and I have heard blacks themselves discuss it on the news. Are they also racist?
  • hinoaka
    TOMOTF, I'm glad you took the time to read my entire post, as it was quite long and you seemed to take umbrage at it almost immediately. First, let me say that I meant no personal affront to you; had I wanted to insult you or if I was just "looking to argue with someone" as you say, I wouldn't have taken the time to write the entire post with reference to various articles, and would have just fired off some incoherent diatribe like so many posters do. Now, that being said, I feel that between your first post and now, the original point of your statement, the one that was upsetting to more than one person, has been lost. In your last post you bring up Booker T. and his wonderful contributions to humanity, and ask me if I have ever seen a black person make a difference in a white person's life. While this strays from the main point I want to make, I will say emphatically YES!!! I see it every day in my family. All over the world blacks are making a positive difference for themselves and others. However, I don't want to get sidetracked, so I will do my best to restate my thoughts in a clear and non-offending manner.

    Here is the statement that bothered me the most: "This is not opinion, but something factual that can be verified in any sociology textbook. It's actually a real problem among black communities, especially with black men. Having said this, I believe it is this mentality of minorities to not want to go after 'the American Dream,' as so many whites do. I'm concerned that too many of them are looking for handouts, and because of this, they turn to the democrats, who are enabling their behavior even further and hindering them from living to their full potential."

    You preface this by saying that you mean no offense, but you HAVE to understand that things like that ARE offensive, no matter how delicately you try put them. Now, are they also true? Some parts, yes. Again, there are multiple reasons for this (I'll refer you back to that monster of a link in the first response for one tidbit of info). The unfortunate truth is that when you use language such as you did, no doubt with no ill intent, it implies something other than what you probably mean. For example, mentioning education and blacks' failures in this area should be no big deal, since it's recorded "fact." When we talk about white students not living up to their potential we think in terms of educational programs and how we can improve them. Historically, though, education was like a weapon used against blacks. They were denied it, or punished if they learned, so it became a tool of control. Even today, sadly, a stigma is put onto education for many black folks. To seek it is to want to be white, and to not get it just solidifies (in some people's minds) the idea that they have no desire to learn or improve themselves. One thing to remember is that we aren't as far away from segregation and even slavery as we like to think. It's still within the collective memory, as are the instruments used to control people during those times. You ask are blacks racist for talking about their own problems, and may think, why the double standard? Why can blacks say it but I can't without offending? My answer is I don't know. There does seem to be one, and I don't know if this will ever change. The truth is simply that it is offensive, and intended or not, paints you as the dreaded R-word.

    I hope that made a bit of sense, at least. I do have to mention this line, which I think bothered me the most: the "mentality of minorities to not want to go after "the American Dream." To you I say, how do you know? Have you asked a black person this? Any other minority? Have you concluded that actions are always the same as unspoken wants? Has every non-white person you've met failed to demonstrate how actively he/she is persuing the American Dream? Perhaps sweeping generalizations as a whole bother me, but knowing that someone thinks that every minority has no thought of the A.D., or if they do it isn't to the same level of desire as whites, deeply saddens me.

    One question I have for you is, why do you think that minorities rally around the Dems as opposed to the GOP? If a large segment of minorities were to switch parties, what do you think they would gain, and how do you think the 93% white party would react to it? And these are genuine questions out of my own curiosity, if you care to answer.

    Now, you made read this post and think that once again I am just looking to pick a fight, or dismiss you as a racist. And again, if that was my intent I would've pounded a poorly spelled rant (probably in all caps) laced with profanity. You seem to be geuninely interested in the problems blacks face today, and there are certainly many. If this is the case, I suggest you browse a few black publications such as www.theroot.com, to see how modern blacks are addressing and talking about their issues. If you care to hear a more vintage perspective on the origination of some of these problems, perhaps DuBois (Souls of Black Folk) or F. Douglass would be of use. While the writings are a bit antiquated the ideas are not. What you find may surprise you; blacks face all kinds of problems, like everyone, and a huge number take them in stride as they live the best life they can.

    Peace, and happy knowledge-seeking.
  • ThinkingOnMyOwnTwoFeet
    Hioaka,
    I'm so sorry I'm just now responding to you! I checked the next day for replies, didn't see one and never got a notice of your reply. I just happened to check a while ago and found your comment. If you comment again, be sure to hit reply - that way, I'll be notified of your comment. :)

    First off, thank you so much for your respectful reply. I understand that your first reply was probably written under feelings of frustration. You seem to be a gentle and sincere person, and so I'd like to respond to your post as best I can.

    My comments of Booker T did stray from the main point, but I felt it necessary to bring up due to a comment you said - it was in defense of my own beliefs. :) I'd like to add that black folks are among the happiest, most joyful people I know (at least the ones I've been around!). They have an uncanny ability to find laughter, deep laughter, in life. I so love, admire and appreciate that. They're definitely fun to have around, and I know plenty of black people that are very well-educated, smart, successful, and making a difference in the world. I'm mainly addressing the inner-city blacks that are of low-income areas. I don't know what percentage of blacks that would be though?

    Your comments about some blacks not wanting education, as they feel it makes them look as if they want to be white, is so very sad for me to hear. These folks are only hurting themselves. Is this a pride issue? I don't understand why someone would deny themselves an education for this reason alone. :( That's only letting the oppressive white folks of the past win.

    I definitely don't think all minorities lack a desire for the American Dream. I do think there is a large percentage of minorities "and whites" though that believe the American Dream means getting handouts from the government. I overheard a white woman just the other day, who seemed in fine health both mentally and physically, from what I could tell (at least good enough to do some kind of work), saying how she wanted more money from the government for her disability and that she was going to vote for Obama, and was proud of it. It just reinforced to me how so many of those looking for handouts vote Democratically. It's time we all take responsibility for ourselves.... this is getting off on another topic though.... :)

    You asked why I think minorites rally around the Dems as opposed to the GOP... I think the reason why most minorities and poor whites rally around the Democrats has mostly to do with what I mentioned above. It is to my understanding that the Democrats want to make things easier for people (in many different ways) without actually making those people take responsibility for themselves. It reminds me of why one should never help a butterfly out of its cocoon, as to do so, would ultimately kill the butterfly. The butterfly must endure that challenge and handle it on its own in order to gain strength and fly. So, in my eyes, the Democrats want to open the cocoon for people, whereas, the Republicans want people to crawl out of their cocoons "on their own." Sure, everyone needs help now and then, and I'm a big believer in helping those who are "truly" in need, but it is to my belief that the Democrats take it too far.... If able, I'm all for people helping themselves. That's kind of my nutshell version on that.... :)

    Thanks for the links! The Root though looks to have a strong political agenda for the left. :) I guess though, it's hard for any group like that to not have some sort of political agenda, whether it be left or right. :)

    Anyway, thanks again for your comments. I enjoyed reading what you had to say and would look forward to another response from you. You seem to be very educated, and perhaps you can help me to better understand some of these issues. I'm pretty open-minded about things, and I'm always willing to see issues from another side. :)
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