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Experience Doesn’t Matter For the No. 2 On the Ticket—or Does it?

Even after eight years of service in the Illinois State Senate, where he served as chairman of the Public Health and Welfare Committee; after almost four years of service to the nation in the U.S. Senate, where he served in several committees, including Foreign Relations, Environment and Public Works, Veterans’ Affairs, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and as Chairman of the Senate’s subcommittee on European Affairs; and after 18 months of the most intense and critical scrutiny while on the campaign trail, Republicans are still saying that they “don’t really know who Barack Obama is.”

Well, after four years of being a Mayor of 9,000-souls-strong Wasilla, Alaska, a stint that resulted in a calamitous $20 million debt; after one year as Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission; after 18 months of governorship of a state with fewer people than the State of Delaware; and after two whole days on the campaign trail, please indulge me when I say that we “don’t really know who Sarah Palin is.”

Of course, Republicans have had 18 months to build “their case” against Barack Obama, including tons of mud and sleaze.

Although it is only two days into Palin’s campaign for the Republican Vice-Presidency, there are already several reports and allegations that have surfaced against her:

There are reports that Palin is under state investigation for abusing her power in firing the state Public Safety Commissioner for refusing to dismiss a state trooper involved in a nasty custody dispute with Palin’s sister; and the man hired to replace the Commissioner is already charged with sexual harassment for hugging and kissing his subordinates.

She has sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.

Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.

Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.

Just about a month ago, Palin said:

But as for that VP talk all the time, I’ll tell you, I still can’t answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day? I’m used to being very productive and working real hard in an administration. We want to make sure that that VP slot would be a fruitful type of position, especially for Alaskans and for the things that we’re trying to accomplish up here for the rest of the U.S., before I can even start addressing that question.

But we are not here to probe into those reports and allegations—there is plenty of time for that. Palin’s question as to “what is it exactly that the VP does every day?” brings us back to where we started, Barack Obama’s and Sarah Palin’s relative experiences to be President of the United States.

But, wait, I thought Palin was only running for the vice-presidency.

Or, as Charlie Black, one of McCain’s top advisers is quoted as saying in today’s New York Times: “She’s going to learn national security at the foot of the master for the next four years…”

Or, as a letter to the editor writer in this morning’s NYT said:

The Republicans’ inexperienced candidate, Gov. Sarah Palin of Alaska, is No. 2 on their ticket. The Democrats’ inexperienced candidate is Senator Barack Obama, who is at the top of the ticket. That’s a world of difference.

But, what if Palin doesn’t have four years to “learn national security at the foot of the master.” What if Charlie Black’s “Master,” God forbid, is not around for four years?

And, what if, considering McCain’s age, his history with skin cancer, and the uncertainties of life, that letter writer’s “world of difference” suddenly and cruelly becomes a “heartbeat of difference” as of day one of a McCain presidency?

What has suddenly happened to the concerns Republicans had about Barack Obama: that the Presidency of the United States is not the time or the place to learn about national security, or how to be a commander-in-chief, or how to deal with an international crisis?

After months of savaging Barack Obama for his alleged inexperience, have those concerns suddenly evaporated now that Republicans are about to nominate for Vice President of the United States, a position a heartbeat away from the presidency, a person with zero national experience, zero national security experience, and zero foreign experience?

“Experience doesn’t matter.” That is exactly the case McCain and Republicans are now making.

Oh, but, as the New York Times reports: “[Ms Alaska] hunts! She fishes! She eats moose burgers! She can gut a salmon as well as dispatch an incumbent governor! She’s a rural mother of five who clings to guns and religion -– exuberantly!”

OK, you got me there.

  • JSpencer
    Well heck yeah, she's a former beauty queen and she likes guns! That's enough to snare the republican bubba vote. Sorry if that offends anyone, but I know enough of em to know there's truth to it.
  • Ricorun
    Come to think of it, my honey can fillet a trout better and faster than anyone I've ever seen. Maria for President! And I have plenty of killer recipes for said fillets. Give me an oven, a stovetop, a grille, or even a campfire and I can perform. Rico for President!
  • Ricorun
    Oh, by the way, I haven't skinned, gutted and carved a moose, bear, or caribou, but I'm pretty sure I could. I'm pretty good at deer, pigs, goats, rabbits, squirrels, even rats. And let me tell ya, if you've never seen a beheaded chicken run around... it's incredible. I would never have believed something without a head could be that coordinated.

    So I guess you could say there's hope for the GOP yet.
  • JSpencer
    Sounds to me like you've got all your chickens... er, ducks in a row Rico. I guess John should have held off a little longer. Oh well, there's always 2012!
  • Neocon
    Actually while Palin was busy actually doing chit and earning herself a name and giving us something to judge her by. Barak Obama didnt even publish a paper as a law Professor.

    While Palin was taking on corruption in Alaska, Barak Obama was giving a speech. While Palin was running a city and then a governor, Barak Obama was campaigning for the house and the Senate and the presidency of the US>

    Im afraid she is a better choice for president then is Barak Obama. I think Hilary said it best. I think Joe Biden says it best.

    Barak Obama is not ready to lead this country. I stand by that comment...........
  • mw
    After listening to Obama supporters passionately explain to us for the last year that it is judgment not experience that counts for President, apparently they've now decided it is experience and not judgment that counts for Vice President.



    This is the thing that the Obama supporters don’t get: You can’t attack Palin’s experience without calling attention to Obama’s. The discussion always always always invokes a comparison between Obama’s experience (POTUS candidate) and Palin’s experience (VP candidate). Exactly like we see in this post comparing Obama to Palin.

    There is no way to come away from that discussion without concluding that there is just not that much difference in experience. Even if you look at it and conclude that Obama has marginal more experience than Palin, Obama loses. Because guess who is not even in the argument? The Republican candidate for President of the United States.

    I was watching this dynamic all day on the cable news shows with Obama supporters arguing passionately that Obama has more experience than Palin. I kept busting out laughing. The Obama supporters just don’t get it.

    So I guess this is what we are going to hear for the next two months. Obama supporters explaining how much more experience their presidential candidate has than the Republican VP candidate. I don’t know if McCain could possibly have anticipated that this is how the pick would play out, but if he did - he’s a friggin’ political genius.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    DWSUWF--

    Give me a break!

    McCain spent all summer banging away about experience. But then he picked a Veep who was mayor of a small town two years ago!

    Good judgment?
  • mw
    George--

    Give me a break!

    Obama supporters spent all year banging away about judgment taking precedence over experience. But then they criticize a selection of a Governor of a state for lack of experience? When she has more executive experience than Obama?

    Experience? Really?
  • DWSUWF,
    Palin has no judgment or vision to critique. Doesn't that speak volumes about McCain's fitness to be president?
  • mw
    "Palin has no judgment or vision to critique..." - chris


    Oh. My understanding is that 80% of the people of Alaska - who know her best - disagree. But I guess I should accept that because ... um... you say so?
  • Neocon
    Its is painfully obvious that Palin is going to take the spotlight away from
  • DanVotes
    The Experience Issue:
    Sarah Palin: 12 years of elected government service, including 8 as an executive decision maker and 0 years in Washington, D.C. (1992-1996 Wasilla City Council, 1996-2002 Mayor of Wasilla, 2006-2008 Governor Of Alaska)

    Barack Obama: 12 years of elected government service, including 4 years in Washington, D.C. and 0 years as an executive decision maker. (1997-2004 Illinois State Senator, 2004-2008 Junior US Senator from Illinois)

    Overall, the levels of government experience are very similar. Palin’s edge is her experience as an executive decision maker. Obama’s edge is, “knowing the ropes,” in Washington, D.C. But both candidates have very thin resumes and would be doing a lot of, “on the job,” training.

    This election should really have been the Hillary-Obama ticket versus the McCain-Palin ticket. Obama and Palin are both impressive rising stars, each in their own party, but neither is ready for the oval office. Despite the need to, “be ready just in case,” it is likely that the person on the bottom of the ticket will have time for learning what is needed before ever having to sit in the hot seat. But the person at the top of the ticket has to be ready on Day One. And now only John McCain can credibly claim that ability.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Part time mayor of a town of fewer than 7000 with a mayor-council style of government is not really an executive decision maker. Anyone who thinks otherwise is betraying their complete lack of understanding of that situation.

    And displaying the time frame of holding office as governor as 2006-2008 also shows an attempt to prop up a weak argument because in fact she took office in January of 2007 and using the "year format" with the long year is an attempt to imply two full years of experience and maybe even a touch more instead of a few months shy of two full years. It's an attempt to color perception.
  • From Hilzoy:
    When this campaign started, one of my biggest questions about Barack Obama was whether he would be any good at managing things. The President is, after all, the head of a very large organization, and he had better either have good management skills or hire a chief of staff who does. The fact that I didn't know whether Obama had them didn't prevent me from voting for him -- none of the other candidates I might have supported had a track record in management either -- but I would have been happier had I known whether Obama was any good at running things.

    I don't have that problem any more. Obama has spent the past year and a half running a large organization -- as of last December, it had "about 500 employees and a budget of $100 million" -- and running it very well. It's not just that he and his team beat the Clinton campaign, which started out with enormous advantages. It's not even that he often did so by building effective political machines from scratch in states in which Clinton had locked down the political establishment. It's that every account of the Obama campaign that I've read makes it clear that he has done an outstanding job of constructing and running a political organization.

    http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2...
  • mw
    "Obama has spent the past year and a half running a large organization -- as of last December, it had "about 500 employees and a budget of $100 million" -- and running it very well."


    I actually agree with Chriswww on this one. Obama showed me something with his leadership and management of his campaign. It was and is extraordinary. Obama's management skills were validated by this experience. Of course, it pales in comparison to the $6.6 Billion dollar budget and 10s of thousands of employees for the State of Alaska that were managed by Sarah Palin over the same time period (with an 80% approval rating from here constituents). But it is a very good start.
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