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So it will be McCain – Palin 2008 for the GOP

palin.jpgLet’s get right to a round-up of blogger and pundit reactions to the selection of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as John McCain’s vice presidential pick. (Which now seems to be a done deal.) But first I’ll offer a few “shoot from the hip” observations. While I may have been left scratching my head over Obama’s selection of Joe Biden, I’m knocked to the floor by this one. First and foremost, the entire “experience” argument in this election is completely off the table. Just three short years ago, Palin (now 44 years old and younger even than Obama) was the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska. (Population around eight thousand and smaller than the bedroom community where I live.) She was launched into the Governor’s mansion amidst scandals surrounding high profile Republicans in that state following her clean-up efforts as a whistleblower, so she hasn’t even been Governor for two years. I’m sorry to be so crude as to bring this up, but John McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor. What happens if Ms. Palin has to step across that “one heartbeat thin line” and into the Oval Office early in 2009? What in her background leads us to believe that she’s ready to face down Vladimir Putin on Day Two? The experience issue was McCain’s largest cudgel to use against Obama. It’s just been heavily muted.

She is apparently an avid hunter, a Catholic, pro-life fighter, so she will appeal to the base. She is also almost entirely unknown to the American public, and the GOP has only 67 days to introduce her to us and build that narrative. How will she fare behind the podium when put up against Joe Biden? How could we know? Most of us have no clue about her. This was certainly a “bold” choice, as many talking heads are saying this morning, but bold is not always beautiful.

To the round up! (These are just short pick points and quotes. Click through for the various full views.)

James Joyner finds her to be a bold pick, but “not plausible” as a president.

I’d never heard of Palin before the VP buzz started on the blogs a while back. She’s supposedly an excellent campaigner. And, obviously, her youth and gender make her a bold pick. Ultimately, though, I think she doesn’t make sense. If you’re running on “the country’s security is too important to be run by neophytes,” you can’t have one as next in line.

While Joe Biden was, twice, an awful presidential candidate, he’s a plausible president. Sarah Palin is not.

Fausta is clearly excited about the pick. “Welcome to the party, PUMAs!”

American Princess at BlogHer has a “girl crush” on Sarah Palin.

ThinkProgress is immediately focusing on Palin’s “anti-choice” record in terms of the abortion fight.

Town Hall is noting a strange 20 year cycle of GOP vice presidential picks. Interesting…

We’ll be back with more later. As I said, color me confused. I fail to see how this is a good move for McCain’s chances in November, but it certainly will stir the pot!

UPDATED WITH MORE:

Jeralyn at Talk Left has her first impressions for us.

My first reaction to John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin for VP: He just gave the election to Barack Obama.

Redstate tells us that “the big sucking sound you hear” is all of the air being drawn out of the room, and that Obama won’t be able to get a word in edgewise for the next week.

  • Oh John... could you ruin your own arguments against Obama any better than you have already?

    This is a blatant attempt to win over angry Clintonistas. It has nothing to do with experience or competent governing. It's the perfect choice for a political party that has long focused on winning elections at the expense of effectively running the country.
  • superdestroyer
    When A political party is in the middle of a death spiral, there is no talent to pick from when looking for candidates. Look at the buzz Bobby Jindal received after being governor in LA for a couple of months.

    This is just another sign that the Republican Party will soon be irrelevant to the political process. I guess McCain is too stupid to remember how foolish Mondal looked in 1984 when he picked Ferraro.
  • Manchester2
    The talk of McCain choosing Lieberman left me cold. This out-of-the-blue choice seems better the more I look at it. As a social conservative, I'm excited about her pro-life and pro-traditional family positions. Many others conservatives who have voted GOP in the past but weren't sure about McCain will come back in droves. (Can you spell B-A-S-E politics?) And as far as appealing to Clinton Democrats, at least some will vote for a McCain-Palin ticket, simply because it includes a woman, a truly historic choice from any perspective. It brilliantly underscores a simply question: Why couldn't the Dems do this? I'm no Dobson fan, but he'll be talking this up to his millions of radio listeners, make no mistake. Now, the race REALLY begins!
  • jwest
    Palin is a twofer.

    First, she’s a conservative. This brings the base, and the base is all that was need to defeat the democrats in the previous elections.

    Second, she’s a woman. All those middle of the road, suburban soccer moms will be all atwitter over this pick.

    Of course, women won’t vote for McCain/Palin just because she’s female – just like African Americans would never vote for Obama just because he’s black.
  • RememberNovember
    Palin's a gas-loving wildlife killer.
    So much for Alaskan tourism...come to Alaska, and get gas.....

    Other than firing her ex's brother, what else is she good at?
    She's a straw-figure. A puppet.
  • Mike_P
    It's over. TKO for the Obama campaign.
  • JSpencer
    If the republican base gets excited about this pick, then I say it is a very premature excitement. It strikes me as desperate and transparent for starters. I have a close friend from Alaska, who is a strong independent, no nonsense outdoors type, and she thinks Palin is, in a word, a "nut". I realize there is much we don't know about this woman - yet, and there will be a furious digging for info, but I sense there is a real possibility this could turn out to be a huge gift to the democrats. I mean seriously, is this woman in any way, shape or form ready to lead the country? Even hard-right dreamers will have to be willing to ask themselves this question at some point. Then again, why would they? ;-)
  • JSpencer
    I have to say, I'm a little concerned about the Biden / Palin debate, especially when foreign policy is discussed. I think the GOP is going to feel like they threw this ex-beauty queen into a bullring.
  • Neocon
    The only candidate in the GOP that might get me to vote for McCain he just chose.

    She is the ultimate Outsider.....as far from DC as possible. Inexperienced like Obama.

    So now it boils down to McCain and Biden........LONG TIME INSIDERS.

    Obama and Pallin..........Outsiders.

    The race is on. I bet the Clinton democrats are gonna go for McCain this year. See ya Obama.
  • Neocon
    The experience thing really hasnt been a factor. Somewhat I guess but whats been more of a factor is emotion.

    Emotion is driving this campaign.

    Well now McCain just upped the ante on the emotion debate.
  • jwest
    I also can’t wait for the Biden / Palin debate.

    Will Joe be mean or condescending? Even if he wins, he looses.
  • The only candidate in the GOP that might get me to vote for McCain he just chose.

    Outside of identity politics, is there any substantive reason you'd vote for Palin?
  • JSpencer
    Agreed, emotion is a major factor, but then it always has been. The difference in emotion here has to do with emotional courage (Obama) vs. emotional fear (McCain). I think this country has seen enough fear-based rule for one decade... perhaps enough for a century. The nervous center isn't suddenly going to crawl back into their shells because the GOP picks an ex-beauty queen for McCain's running mate.
  • kritt11
    I never get the outsider argument-- when the person gets to Washington they quickly have to become an insider or their administration functions like Jimmy Carter's.
  • kritt11
    Neocon- no offense- were you previously planning not to vote?
  • AustinRoth
    This is a decision that McCain will come to regret for a number of reasons, and in the near future.
  • we just finished a radio show on this with a top notch panel of commenters. I'll put up a link in a moment if you want to hear the replay.
  • kritt11
    jwest-- Not to worry. Joe Biden is first and foremost a gentleman-- as he showed in the Dem debates when he came to Hillary's defense.
  • Leonidas
    McCain did nothing to hurt his arguments against Obama, Palin has more experience than Barrack does. If they try to use an experience issue against her it will blow up in their faces. Remember this woman has executive experience, and she has actually done something more than talk about a rhetorical concept of "change", she has put it in action with great sucess. Look at her ethics reform, her bipartisan appointments, and her actual honoring of campaign promises. Look at her approval ratings...right through the roof. This is a doer and not just a promiser. Her selection is a home run.
  • Neocon
    Outside of identity politics, is there any substantive reason you'd vote for Palin?

    No. I just like her name. I enjoyed my time in Alaska

    Neocon- no offense- were you previously planning not to vote?

    No I was not planning to vote for a Democrat or a Republican.
  • "No I was not planning to vote for a Democrat or a Republican."

    Me either. And I'm still not.
  • jchem
    Jazz / Neocon,

    Count me in. Although I find it amusing to listen to the back and forth now about experience, I still don't plan on going for either of them; not yet anyway. I mean, first McCain says Obama is not experienced. Then Obama says experience gets us corrupted Washington insiders. Then Obama picks a Washington insider. Then McCain picks someone inexperienced. What a circus!

    BTW, thanks for the link to the show Jazz.
  • Neocon
    Jchem

    HAHA...........now your getting it. Precisely my point.

    IF Barak Obama was a Republican and was giving his flowery speeches the left would be screaming insults and calling him inexperienced idiot.

    If Palin was a democrat who believed in abortion rights and gay marriage she would be halled as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    If just one of them.......either side.......Democrat or Republican promises and convices me of their promise to balance the budget then they will get my vote.

    Its the greatest threat to America since its founding. 10 trillion dollars in debt and the Democrats cant wait for their turn in the candy store.
  • Jazz is still obsessed with Bob Barr...

    He holds some good positions now, but it's just too discomforting to know that less than 10 years ago he was so wrong about so very much.
  • IF Barak Obama was a Republican and was giving his flowery speeches the left would be screaming insults and calling him inexperienced idiot.

    Ronald F'ing Reagan.
  • Neocon
    There you go Chris. I rest my case. So I guess now we can officially consider Obama an Idiot too????

    My position.

    You want gay marriage.........you got it......give me a balanced budget.
    You want abortion rights......you got it.....now give me a balanced budget.
    You want gun control...........you got it.....now give me a balanced budget.
    You want to tax the rich......you got it.....now give me a balanced budget.

    You see Im way more willing to meet you in the middle. Ill give you anything........All you have to do is give me a balanced budget.......is that so hard??
  • I'm "in the tank" for Bob Barr. What can I say? At least I admit it. :-)
  • markg8
    Local Alaskan tv report nails Palin in political scandal. What was McCain thinking?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMnCgqVA
  • Neocon,
    If the budget isn't going to be balanced (and it's not unless Bob Barr, Nader or Ron Paul get elected), then would you rather the deficit spending be on tax cuts for the super rich or on health care and infrastructure that can help take the burden off of our businesses and help grow the GDP?

    Jazz,
    Switch to Nader and I'll cheer you on :-)
  • Neocon
    Chris your wrong.

    Obama plans to tax the rich and then give it back to the middle class. Netting nothing other then redistribuing the riches wealth.

    Barak Obama has not promised to do one thing that every other democrat has ever promoised to do.

    Where specifically is Barak Obama going to boost our infrastructure that will increase jobs??

    The budtget must be balanced and the fact that the democrats simply want to redistribute the tax dollars in a slight of hand economic platform needs to be divulged. If I take a dollar from the rich and give it to the middle class.........

    IM STILL BROKE.
  • Where specifically is Barak Obama going to boost our infrastructure that will increase jobs??

    Green power grids. The SUPERTRAIN. The things that Republicans think the free market will take care of, and then we're left with blackouts in California and bumper-to-bumper traffic in every city across America.
  • Neocon
    But McCain says all of the above. In fact even Shaun Hannity says all of the above. I think every person in America votes for all of the above. As for bumper to bumper traffic......not a worry as no one can afford gasoline when the price of oil skyrockets to 8 bucks a gallon but Obama is building windmills to make electricity.

    The supertrain to where? Have you looked at a map lately Chris?? The super train will cost Gawd knows how much and serve almost no one. I guess thats a good thing. Another Government works project. Another democratic scheme to fool the people with slight of the hand economics.
  • If John McCain supports those things, it would have made sense for him to vote for some of them.
  • kritt11
    "Then Obama says experience gets us corrupted Washington insiders. Then Obama picks a Washington insider. "

    Except, Biden is not a corrupt Washington insider. And its naive to think that an outsider can figure out how Washington works without some help. Think Jimmy Carter- who was considered an outsider even by his OWN party.
  • RememberNovember
    I also can’t wait for the Biden / Palin debate.

    Will Joe be mean or condescending? Even if he wins, he looses.


    Looses what?

    It's pathetic that people can't even tell the difference between loses and looses. You can edit these posts you know. I can see NCLB worked for you!

    I think Joe will be a perfect gentlemen, or his 90+ momma didn't teach him right.
  • RememberNovember
    "The experience thing really hasnt been a factor. Somewhat I guess but whats been more of a factor is emotion."

    Have you been under a rock? Suddenly McCain picks a newbie and experience is off the table? Where have you been for the last 8 months?

    Though I do see merit in your insider//outsider analogy. Half a point.
  • RememberNovember
    But McCain says all of the above. In fact even Shaun Hannity says all of the above. I think every person in America votes for all of the above. As for bumper to bumper traffic......not a worry as no one can afford gasoline when the price of oil skyrockets to 8 bucks a gallon but Obama is building windmills to make electricity

    What day was that, and what year. Was it before he was for it after he was against it?
    Do you really want another VP to continue Dick Cheney's energy legacy? One thing she has going for her is that she's new, fairly( I say fairly ) uncorrupted by the WASHINGton Machine Spin Cycle, but she's so embedded in oil and so anti- environment she'll come out looking like the Snow Queen.

    As for her take on the VPship...I think Paris Hilton had more gravitas:

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12969...
  • Neocon
    "The experience thing really hasnt been a factor. Somewhat I guess but whats been more of a factor is emotion."

    No I havent been under a rock. Hillary bashed him with it and she lost. McCain is bashing him with it and hes losing. The point Im making is that those who will not vote for Obama because of his inexperience have already decided to do so. Thus the experience thing was fully vetted for the most part during the most highly publicized primary in recent memory.

    It's pathetic that people can't even tell the difference between loses and looses.

    Be very careful. The minute you begin picking on someone for their spelling it sets you up for a big fall. I use their for there all the time. I have given up trying to correct myself.

    Except, Biden is not a corrupt Washington insider.

    Oh really. Is that why all the stories floating around about Biden funneling money to his sons law firm and voting against Asbestos legislation limiting lawsuits even though amazingly enough his sons law firm was smack dab in the middle of suing the beejesus out of everyone over asbestos.

    More to follow.
  • Soph
    Yea, all those soccer moms will vote for McCain because of Palin -- just like they did for Ferraro. Think of how many states she pulled in for Mondale. Ovaries do not a good candidate make. Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin have nothing else in common.
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