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Penn Jillette, Bob Barr and the Jerome Horowitz theory of government

PennJillette.jpg Are Glenn Beck and Penn Jillette ready to endorse Bob Barr for president? Well, maybe not quite yet today, but after last night’s Glenn Beck program, I’d say they’re both getting close. If you didn’t get a chance to check out the show (even if you’re not normally a big fan of Beck) then definitely check out the transcript of his interview with Jillette at the link above. First, you might think that Beck would be supporting John McCain by default. You would be mistaken.

I mean, we`ve got some great choices, don`t we? One candidate is especially a socialist while the other one I would call a conservative socialist. He`s pro-life, but pro-global warming. He wants to keep the troops in Iraq but also keep our borders open. He wants to drill offshore, but not in Alaska. What the — what?

That leaves me not only without any candidate, but also without any excitement whatsoever. It`s kind of like being back at the concession stand and they`re out of the Raisinettes and the Goobers, and your wife is with you, and all they’ve got there in the counter is raw eggplant and tofu.

When Beck gets Jillette on the air, we see them talking about an alternative to the two party system.

BECK: Here is the — here is the thing, man. We are being held hostage by — by both parties. They are taking us to the same damn place.

JILLETTE: But you`re buying into it. You`re not part of the solution, Glenn. You`re part of the problem. You`re giving them that there`s only these two choices. All the American people have to decide is they want a different choice and someone else can win. Nowhere in the rules does it say it has to be one of those two.

BECK: Penn, I will tell you now. I mean, Jesus could come back before November, so I`m not making any promises, but I would bet almost everything I have at this point, there`s no way I`m going to vote for one of these two clowns. And I am going to vote. I will find a third party, but I haven`t found my guy yet. Have you?

JILLETTE: Well, you know, Bob Barr came to our show out here in Vegas the other night. And he was — he was wonderful to talk to. And he was closer — at least he actually wants smaller government.

This brings us to the Jerome Horowitz theory of government. In case you don’t recognize that name, Penn Jillette explains it for you.

I always want to go back to – - you know, the Jerome Horowitz theory of government. You know, Jerome Horowitz, better known as Curly Howard of “The Three Stooges.” Jerome Horowitz would be given a choice. Moe Howard would say pick two and hold out his fingers. And then Curly would pick two, and no matter which two fingers he picks, he`d always get poked in the eye.

As long as you pick two, you are Jerome Horowitz. You are Curly Howard.

It’s not often that you see me quoting Glenn Beck. Frankly, there are many times – particularly when he gets to talking about foreign policy or immigration – when I just want to start chucking soda cans at the television. But when he begins talking about federal spending, taxes and the growth of the government at all levels, I find a kindred soul. He discussed at length the situation in New York and New Jersey where we currently have Democratic governors (did you catch that? Democrats!) pleading with the state legislatures to cut spending and reduce the burden on the citizens. Yet the requests fall on deaf ears. Spending here in the Empire State has risen 71% in the last ten years, and New Jersey recently passed New York for the highest state and local tax burden on citizens.

We live in a time of record deficits, a federal debt which has already grown to numbers unimaginable by the average worker, and major party candidates who show no lack of appetite for running up the bill even further. You may still feel that a vote for a third party candidate is a “waste of a vote” or won’t change anything. Really? Here… pick two fingers.

  • jchem
    I find the whole "a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote" meme simply ridiculous. If everyone who said that would actually vote for a third party candidate, we would see major change in a hurry. I think we're just too comfortable with the two-party system, and both parties know it. Besides, look at how much money they are capable of raising to get re-elected year in and year out. You don't see them raising that kind of money to pay down deficits or fund important programs.
  • I can't get over the fact that Jillette even goes on Beck's show.
  • mikkel
    Well Jazz, it's very simple why governors regardless of party are a lot more concerned with spending: most states have a balanced budget amendment. (A bigger question is why state legislatures seem to be crazy). Oh, also states have to finance their own debt and can default, so they can't go crazy into deficit spending even if they wanted to...well except for California. Since tax revenues are plunging, it's just going to get a lot worse too.

    Congress doesn't, so both parties there spend however much they want. And since the US is in the position it's in, pretty much everyone else will buy our debt...so there are almost no short term consequences. We're in for a rude awakening when they won't.

    I'd say that the debt is the #1 most important issue for both domestic and foreign security and really should be the primary focus of both parties.
  • Jim_Satterfield
    We have a useful third party to vote for? The Libertarians, also known as the selfish sociopath party? The Greens, who really are as socialist as Beck thinks everyone else is? Remember Beck buys into the "Environmentalists are evil. Global warming is a hoax." meme. Whatever Glen Beck says, choose the opposite. It will be better for the country.

    And by the way, what does smaller government really mean for a nation that is fifth largest in terms of area, a population of a third of a billion and one of the most extensive infrastructure systems in the world? Just how small can it really be? How much can be left to the same kind of people who brought us the sub-prime lending fiasco, the energy market manipulations in California a few years back and other shining examples of anything for profit? Because there are lots of things the libertarians think can be left to the market that make me think they've got to be high on something or Free Market is their religion.
  • DLS
    "Spending here in the Empire State has risen 71% in the last ten years, and New Jersey recently passed New York for the highest state and local tax burden on citizens."

    I lived in Upstate New York for two years and became quite familiar with local government fiefdoms in addition to dysfunctional Albany. Parts of the country like this are just like the Big Three domestic automakers and their failure to correct their obsolete business and lavishly-overpaid-employee, paternalistic-lifetime-employer model after 1980 while we in California and other markets were buying foreign-made automobiles. The same failure to have learned exists in places like this, New York and New Jersey. The arrogance of the bureaucrats is astonishing; whenever there isn't enough money to spend as much as they want, they promptly assume, expect, that the solution is to raise taxes!

    It's Cyanide Nation at its worst or nearly at its worst (New York City as the crown jewel of liberal politics and policies, bankrupting itself in the 1970s and expecting a state and federal bailout, was probably the truly worst), driving out jobs and people. If it weren't for the influx of immigrants into NYC metro, these states would be in even worse shape than they currently are.
  • dkmeller
    The two major parties have been nominating, and having us elect, assorted crooks, imbeciles, and sociopaths for decades. Heaven help this country, but we may assume that their owners see Obama and McCain as their best and brightest.

    I think that they are telling the rest of us something.

    "When government can no longer secure the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish it"

    Thomas Jefferson's advice to us from the Declaration of Independence is assuming more and more relevance today@

    If we are to continue to have a country, we must start to look to alternatives like the Libertarians and Bob Barr. They aren't perfect, even by Ron Paul standards, but they will help move us in a better direction, toward that peace, prosperity, and liberty which most of our Founders wanted and away from the slavery, bankruptcy and war which is all that the establishment parties and their candidates can offer!

    PEACE AND FREEDOM!
    David K. Meller
  • Jim_Satterfield
    Actually the Libertarians will only move us towards a country where the corporations have all the power and the idea of individual freedom is a joke because you will do anything your employer says or else. There will be no balancing force.
  • jchem
    I'm not too sure about the Libertarians, the Greens, or whoever else is out there. I just wouldn't mind seeing at least one other party (take your pick) make enough noise to straighten out the two "major" ones. Shouldn't it at least be conceivable that they are no longer looked at as "spoilers", but actual competitors?
  • pacatrue
    Jchem, I think our "winner take all" system makes that extremely difficult on a national level. As I've said several times over the last couple years on this site, however, I'd like to see bona fide third parties growing at the local level. Why, just to take an example, should Barr be running for President of the United States and not just governor of Georgia first? If a 3rd party can't muster enough support in a single district or area of their choosing, why should they expect to compete nationally?

    I too was fascinated mostly by Beck's complete lack of understanding of the term socialism. Apparently socialism just means bad to him. How is an interpretation of a climate model socialist, communist, capitalist, or other economic model? How is protecting ANWR socialist or capitalist? It's neither.
  • jchem
    pacatrue,

    I agree with you on the "winner take all" system, and perhaps that the local level is the place to start. But I'm not so sure Barr should have to run for Governor first. He already has been elected to national office. Besides, I think this would also imply that Obama should have run for Governor of IL first, no?

    Beck is a hit or miss with me. Sometimes he makes sense and shows a good level of thought...other times I, like Jazz, could find something in the house to toss at him. He wrote an article on cnn.com today that has generated quite a bit of reaction:

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/20/beck.cit...
  • DLS
    To go beyond the Duopoly we'd need proportional representation to accompany a multi-party system.

    http://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/polit/damy/prlib.htm

    For single-person offices, nothing beats approval voting.

    http://bcn.boulder.co.us/government/approvalvot...

    A return to what still defines Americanism, our English-heritage libertarianism (what used to be "liberalism" until that word was hijacked in the late nineteenth century onward), and constitutional federalism (combined perhaps with a new system of rationalized states) is too much to expect from too many, sadly.
  • DLS
    "And by the way, what does smaller government really mean for a nation that is fifth largest in terms of area, a population of a third of a billion and one of the most extensive infrastructure systems in the world? Just how small can it really be?"

    Much smaller than it is now, particularly if we return to viewing government as a government and nothing but, not in addition a service agency or surrogate parent, for example.

    As a rule, what can be in the private rather than the public sector, should be. The burden of proof lies always on the advocates of public (government) intervention; we don't want to return to the failed world view that is still practiced in those places whose main exports include jobs and people (notably, young people) who are voting with their feet. (And no, enlarging the scope of government to prevent such escape by making as much intervention federal as possible is not the solution, much less moral.) The "precautionary principle," so often abused and corrupted by environmentalists and other activists on the Left, really does need to be adhered to where it makes sense, with the granting of power to government.

    While the government unions and "evil corporation" and Iraq contractor scams may have killed any repetition by an Obama administration of "Reinventing Government" [gag] and "government-business partnerships" (a nice euphemism for fascistic window dressing of government interventionism), we certainly don't want to regress to the failures of the 1960s and 1970s, much less the conceit beneath the desire for Even More "progress" [sic].

    The answer is -- much smaller. The only questions are how smaller and the less pertinent but more contemporary question of how many want it smaller versus how many want it larger, rather than smaller.
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