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It’s all about Israel

In one of the more provocative columns I’ve read in quite a while, Rick Moran of Right Wing Nuthouse yesterday penned a somewhat dismal bit of prognostication called Embrace the Horror. I have now read the piece three separate times, as well as listening to a discussion of it between Rick and Ed Morrissey on his Hot Air show yesterday. The article is a comprehensive look at the trials and tribulations facing “President Obama” during his first (and possibly only) term and I highly encourage you to read it if you’ve not done so already.

There was something about it, though, which simply didn’t sit right with me, though I couldn’t put my finger on it until this morning. One of the basic disagreements I have, though certainly not the chief one, is the assumption that Obama is a dead lock to win in November. While certainly possible, I still believe that the Illinois Senator has a tough row to hoe in his attempts to make his case with voters, including many in his own party.

Moran is certainly correct that the next president will face many daunting challenges. These, as he points out, include a moribund economy with no silver bullet solution in sight. They will also have to deal with the reality of disentangling ourselves from Iraq as opposed to the easy rhetoric of calling for immediately moving toward withdrawl. Any such plan will have to be put in place over the objections of some military leaders and a public who, while disenchanted with the war, are unwilling to see such a withdrawl turn into a rout or leave us looking defeated. Additionally, a host of other challenging domestic issues – taxes and NAFTA among others – await the next Oval Office resident, and Rick is absolutely right in noting that these will create a difficult swamp to wade through.

But it’s in the area of foreign policy where I believe Mr. Moran and I fail to see eye to eye.

The Iranian situation will resolve itself with or without President Obama’s help. If he actively tries to prevent Israel from removing what they believe is an existential threat, his presidency will be over. And since the US is going to get blamed for anything Israel does anyway, my guess is he will tacitly support any Israeli action against the Iranian nuclear program.

Would he attack Iran? Despite his bellicose comments about not allowing the Iranians to develop nuclear weapons, since there will likely be no evidence that the Iranians are constructing nukes, it is extremely unlikely that a President Obama would greenlight any attack on Iranian nuclear facilities. Israel, of course, doesn’t have that luxury and once it is clear that Iran could enrich uranium on an industrial scale to the 85-90% level, all bets are off and US support or no, they will hit the Iranians with everything they’ve got.

I agree that Obama will be highly unlikely to strike any sort of first blow in another “preemptive war” against Iran, given his endless speeches regarding the foolhardy nature of Bush’s incursion into Iraq. But will simply staying on the sidelines during a potential Israeli attack on Iran suffice or be a substitute for any actual “policy” regarding Iran? Obama has mouthed all the right words – typical of all politicians from both parties – to ensure he does not alienate the Jewish vote in the United States. The question, at least for me, is whether or not the candidate of change has the political will to take a fresh look at our country’s policy toward Israel and act accordingly.

A showdown may indeed be brewing between Israel and Iran. As Moran correctly observes, Iran’s military is pretty much a joke compared to Israel, with the exception of their limited missile capability, and none of her allies on the Arab street will likely be eager to enter into open warfare at her side for fear of potential U.S. reprisals. But what would the U.S. response be to a preemptive strike by Israel against Iran’s nuclear facilities, either today or under a potential Obama presidency?

The default answer for some time now seems to be that we would rush in to Israel’s defense, justifying her actions and letting the Arab world know that they had best not mess with our partner in the Middle East. The question, at least for an unapologietic isolationist such as myself, is whether or not that is the correct or even desirable response. What would President Obama do in the event of such a collision of interests?

Absent some sort of concrete proof that Iran had moved to create nuclear weapons and in the face of their continued claims that their work is solely geared toward peaceful power production, an attack by Isreal would be viewed across much of the world in the same light as the United States invasion of Iraq. As in the past, it seems likely that the United Nations would immediately move to condemn Israel for such a preemptive strike. Would we once again, as in so many times past, use our position on the Security Council to veto any such resolution? Or would Obama demonstrate that he had truly learned from the lessons of Iraq?

We have been the “big brother” to Israel for my entire adult life, unquestioning and unwavering. And while this noble cause has doubtless been of tremendous benefit to the Israeli people, constantly under threat of extinction at the hands of outraged Middle Eastern neighbors, what has been our biggest reward? The answer is, the antipathy of the Muslim world towards the United States. This has always been – and remains – the elephant in the room of which none wish to speak. Why is al Qada at war with us? You can talk all day about how they “hate us for our freedoms” or how they want to convert us – and the entire world – to Islam. But in the end, it’s Israel. It’s always been Israel. It is, for so many of these nations, the perpetual thorn in their collective side… the wound which will never heal. And lacking the military capability or global support to confront us in a direct, military fashion, they turn to terrorism to strike out at us whenever and where ever they can.

Israel has been standing strong for more than half a century. Under our superpower umbrella they have developed a military capability which is the envy of nations many times their size. But will there ever come a time when our national conscience will allow us to open up a new conversation on this? Is there not a point at which the global community can say that Israel has grown up and should now be capable of standing on its own two feet, releiving us of the burden of acting as the big brother on the playground as we continue to inflame the Muslim world against us?

Doubtless many readers will feel a desire to let fly with the usual claims that I’m some sort of anti-semite because of this piece. Feel free – I’ve heard it all before. I bear no animus toward Israel as a nation and certainly harbor no anger towards Jews of any nation. But this relationship we share with Israel is unique and decidely one-sided in both benefits and costs. And the price we are paying for it continues to rise while the rewards look more and more intangible. Feel free to line up the firing squad, readers. I’m ready for it.

  • runasim
    "Say what you will about John Hagee, he is Biblically correct about Israel."
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    Depending on the Bible to define current situations is a conversation ender, and it shuts the door on any possible improvement, not to even metnion resolution.. Not everyone reads the same sacred texts. In Israel, some feel they are being held hostage by the biblically inspired, as a matter of fact. How then to accomodate the Muslims' own promise from God for the same teal estate?

    The historic hatreds in the region are educational but hardly unique. There is not a region on earth without a history of wars, invasions, conquests, subjugation and hatreds. In modern times, historic hatreds played a partt in the breakup of what was once Yugoslavia. This is an old song, replayed all over the world, and it should not be used as an excuse to avoid tackling the problems of today, as they exist today, not in Biblical prophecies, or distant histories.

    That kind of divine entitlement has led to as much bloodshed than the quest for wealth,or power to be extracted from ownership of territories. Europe could only begin to dream of peace when the role of the divine was extracted from settling earthy matters.

    It is true that the problems of the ME can not be easily or qickly settled.
    It is alos true that Israel is, in some ways, used as a scapegoat, just as the US is.
    Those conditions, should not be used as alibi for inertia or for the lack of care to aboid making matters even worse.
  • Jazz - a couple of points. First regarding this comment...

    "Why is al Qada at war with us? You can talk all day about how they “hate us for our freedoms” or how they want to convert us - and the entire world - to Islam. But in the end, it’s Israel. It’s always been Israel. It is, for so many of these nations, the perpetual thorn in their collective side… the wound which will never heal..."

    Israel is not a thorn as much as it is a convenient scapegoat. Chris touched on the issue, but he did not go back far enough, historically, to get the real story. The Nomadic tribes that people todays modern Syria, Israel, Jordan, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have been at war with one another since the beginning of time! Nothing that we say or do will ever change the generations of hatred. Especially when you have things like Hammas TV's version of Sesame Street that teaches the littlest of little ones that hatred and killing is ok.

    You are right when you say that the REALITY of withdrawal is not as easy as the rhetoric says. Even if we ordered immediate withdrawal, it would take months just to get the logistics done.

    Israel IS strong because of the support that they got from the US and Britain. To totally write off Europe as being anti-Israel is easy but it is a cheap cop out. Many European leaders have helped make sure that Israel could be where she is today - standing strong. I think what would surprise many is that Israel could probably stand strong without our help. However, if you are in to this, we would be in a world of hurt if we ever abandoned Israel. Say what you will about John Hagee, he is Biblically correct about Israel.

    Solving the problems in the Middle East are not easy - as history has shown us. Expecting an easy solution now, is naive at best.

    LL
  • runasim
    "Attacking Iran won't strengthen his hand. Will a government as weak as Olmert's in a parliamentary democracy start a war? I don't think so."

    I think that's correct about Olmert. His political future may soon be truncated, however. And then?
    Those lining up to take his place appear to be ameanble to taking risky action.
  • Dave_Schuler
    The correct position of the United States in an Israel-Iran conflict would be negative reciprocity, i.e. we won't intervene if others don't.

    But I think that an Israel-Iran conflict is extremely unlikely. While I'm sure there are some in the U. S. who would relish such an action, would the Israelis? I think the Israelis would prefer that we solve their problem for them but IMO we would be very imprudent if we did.

    To measure whether Israel will attack Iran don't look at the merits of such a course of action, take the political temperature of the Israeli electorate. Right now there's an unpopular, possibly corrupt PM holding on by the skin of his teeth to his job, largely because the alternatives would be worse. Attacking Iran won't strengthen his hand. Will a government as weak as Olmert's in a parliamentary democracy start a war? I don't think so.
  • runasim
    .People like myself continure to support Israel because we recongnixe the need for the Jewish people to have a homeland. At the same time, we recgnize that tisrael did not become a nation without cost to the Palestinians, and that this fact can't help but be the subject of conflict for a very long time..
    Imagine the consequences if he Gypsies, another homelsss people, decided to establish their own independent country in the middle of Europe, even without the extra dimension of Biblical interpretaions.

    Because of the animosity of its neighbors, I also recognize that the world community nees to cut Israel some slack when comparing it to other countries regarding what it deems necessary to do for the sake of security.

    The argument is really about limits: when does special consideration and support turn into a carte blanche for anything and everything Israel does?
    The US has, somehow changed from being the bigger, supportive brother of Israel into being a doting nanny, at the beck and call of every demand by the smaller and weaker Israel.

    The fusion of the two counties into one political enttity is serving neither well.
    This is particularly apparent when it comes to the very real threat posed by Iran.
    When the US speaks to the threat, it is dismissed by much of the world as the voice of Israel's agent, not Israel's ally or a nation concerned about the spread of nuclear capabilities overall.

    Sacrificed to the current accent on Israel's safety is the threat that a nuclear Iran would pose to the whole region. The Sunni nations would feel threatend as well, but he US makes it all about Iand only about Israel, losing another opportunity to beocme credible to the Arab world. and thus being helpful to Israel in the long run.
    Keeping this as a strictly Israeli safety issue also paints a target on Israel's back.
    It is now all about Israel, when it shouldn't be. It is really about the stability of the ME and the safety of the world community.

    What would Obama do? it's more a question of what could Obama do. Unfortunately no one warned Israel or its more emotional supporters about the dangers of getting what you wsh for.

    If no drastic action has been taken when the next president takes office, I would hope that at least reframing the issue iin terms much broader than israel's saffety would be possible.
  • irina
    Being half Jewish, for me was always a mystery why the European world was always so unsympathetic and often times antagonistic toward Jewish people. Europe today will not raise a voice in defense of Israel if the country finds itself under fire from all of its neighbors at the same time. I don’t know if joint Muslim attack against Israel can happen, maybe it is not possible. But the fear is that it might, they are really not friendly. And the presumption right now is that the only thing preventing it is the US support. I can understand why the non-Jewish Americans might not care if in fact Israel is in danger of being “obliterated”))). But I think an US policy that is aimed at preserving the piece is at least more humane. And a Muslim world that is open minded, secular and democratic is a much safer future for everybody.
  • Fair enough. Thanks for the quick response :-)
  • Calling for withdrawl *is* a serious course of action. I never denied that. I'm just pointing out that saying 'we're going to start bringing home a brigade per month immediately" will probably not prove to be possible or realistic. He will start bringing the troops out, but it's going to be a messy and time consuming process by all accounts.

    As to the other reasons you cite for Islamic anger toward us, they are all valid. But in my opnion only, they pale in comparison to the issue of Israel.
  • First off, Moran's piece is funny to read. He seems so defeated. That's the legacy of George Bush I guess.

    Anyways, I wanted to take issue with you on a couple of points:

    Why is al Qada at war with us? You can talk all day about how they “hate us for our freedoms” or how they want to convert us - and the entire world - to Islam. But in the end, it’s Israel.


    That may in fact be a big part of it, but it's not the entire story. Britain and the United States have attempted to rule and control the Middle East since at least the fall of the Ottoman Empire. This has meant military and economic interference on a grand scale. That kind of interference has historically bred outrage. The American Revolution is a good example.

    As for Bin Laden specifically, he spoke out against the Saudi government for allowing our troops to be stationed there in the early 1990s.

    They will also have to deal with the reality of disentangling ourselves from Iraq as opposed to the easy rhetoric of calling for immediately moving toward withdrawl.

    I have to categorically reject this idea that withdrawal isn't a serious course of action. It's highly condescending.
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