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Does Barack Obama Equal Michael Dukakis?

One of the comparisons-of-the-week now making the rounds via pundits, Clinton supporters, Republicans, bloggers and talking (and screaming) radio and TV heads is that Democratic Senator Barack Obama could prove to be another Michael Dukakis, the former Massachusetts governor defeated by the first George Bush in his Presidential race. A fair comparison or not? Dukakis’ former campaign manager has some thoughts.

Dukakis, in case you forget, went into the race favored to win but after the Republicans got through defining him, and he ran a boring slow-to-respond campaign where he often seemed more like he was running for Accountant In Chief than Commander in Chief — and made the huge mistake of being filmed riding in a tank. He was compared to looking like Snoopy. And he was toast. Without butter or jam.

His former campaign manager Susan Estrich says the Obama-Dukakis comparison doesn’t quite fitunless Obama lets it:

I was there. Mike Dukakis was (and is) a friend of mine. And so I can say that, while the danger is certainly worth recognizing, Barack Obama is no Mike Dukakis. Or at least he doesn’t have to be.

There is no question that the Republicans will try to do to Obama what they did to Dukakis: paint him as a liberal, out of touch with the values of average (white) Americans, so far left that he has left America.

The ammunition is there, she writes, but Obama has to realize that negative charges can’t just be left out there to fester. They do damage and must be answered quickly.

Still, even if you take all of the things the GOP could try to run against Obama and put them together, she says, there is one factor in Obama’s favor:

There will be much talk in coming weeks, if and when Obama does secure the nomination, of how this fight against Clinton has weakened him. I see it differently. I think it has strengthened him, by preparing him for what’s to come, and teaching him to deal with the mud that is sure to be thrown in his direction.

But the most important difference between Obama and Dukakis has absolutely nothing to do with the two men, or their primary opponents, or the issues that did or did not get raised. It’s the difference between where the country was then, and where it is now.

In June 1988, a majority of Americans thought the country was on the right track. Although the wrong track numbers had been higher earlier in the year, by the summer they turned around. Americans were pleased with the direction of the country. Today, the equivalent numbers are 80% wrong track. Ask any pollster and they’ll tell you that there is no better indication of which party will win an election than the right track-wrong track numbers. This should be a Democratic year. Obama, if he is the candidate, will face a negative machine. But in the end, that machine cannot change the way people feel about the direction the country is heading, or the party that is responsible for it.

That continues to be GOP presumptive nominee John McCain’s problem — and partly explains why no matter how bleak it may seem, Hillary and Bill Clinton are hanging in there as long as they can. Unless someone tries to lose — and some could argue that as a political party the Democrat parties factions and timid superdelegates seem to be trying to do just that — they would have to work to close the huge openings they have this year to re-take the White House and both houses of Congress.

Because this year the Democratic Presidential nomination is truly worth something — if the person who gets it is willing to fight back quickly and strongly when he/she gets it.

  • superdestroyer
    It is much more likely that Senator McCain is the 21st century version of Senator Bob Dole.
  • Dave_Schuler
    The comparison doesn't hold up for a number of reasons. Ronald Reagan was a popular president; George W. Bush, well, the kindest thing to say is that he isn't. We weren't involved in an unpopular war in 1988; and the Republican-dominated Congress hadn't collaborated with the Republican president in putting the Republican Party into bad odor.

    Actually, if Dukakis had faced the situation that Obama does he might well have won.
  • PWT
    Tell yourselves whatever you want, Bigger ain't getting the keys to the car this time around.
  • Slamfu
    "but after the Republicans got through defining him, and he ran a boring slow-to-respond campaign where he often seemed more like he was running for Accountant In Chief"

    Does that describe Obama at all? I think not. He has routinely countered such efforts by his opponents with a style that is moderate in tone yet "take the bull by the horns" in directness. I have serious doubts about the GOP's ability to distract us from the ongoing mess they've made this time around. But anything's possible. They are VERY good at playing that game and we the people have shown a particular susceptibility to it in the past.
  • superdestroyer,
    Only if after losing the election he does commercials for Viagra and Dunkin' Donuts
  • superdestroyer
    Ashenshard,

    Since McCain's wife has significantly more money than Elizabeth Dole, I doubt that McCain will not be making in commercials. But McCain has the same level of disinterest in being president.
  • "There is no question that the Republicans will try to do to Obama what they did to Dukakis: paint him as a liberal, out of touch with the values of average (white) Americans, so far left that he has left America."

    Well, only because it's true. The real question is, how far left does America want to go this round, as determined by the great state vote sweep?

    I keep hoping some year for a candidate I can vote for, instead of against. But it looks like I might get one of my wishes this time. A prez ballot with no Bush, Clinton, Kennedy, or Dole on it! The first in my voting lifetime.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    Tully--

    If you'd replace Kennedy with Nixon--who ran on national tickets five times, counting his VP runs--you could go all the way back to 1952, with only a gap in 1964.

    Add on Dewey and Roosevelt, you'd cover most of the 20th century.
  • There is no question that the Republicans will try to do to Obama what they did to Dukakis: paint him as a liberal, out of touch with the values of average (white) Americans, so far left that he has left America.


    And they wouldn't do this with Clinton?
  • runasim
    This is going to be tough for Obama, I have no doubts.

    Being fast and firm in responding to slime without becoming equally slimy is a highwire act on a very high wire and without any safety net.

    Obstruction #1 is already seen in how 'liberal' is always used as an insult, not a description. Liberal leaning politicans are always and without exception porttrayed as the Far Left with zero degrees of separation. Complete socialism is the subtext.
    Conservatives, however, are granted any number of gradations and type-descriptives. There are economic conservatives, social conservatives, religious conservatives, moderate conservatives, Bush conservatives, and on and on.

    It's a very aggressive but subtle game of language co-option, much harder,to combat than overt mud shots.

    The Left ' is stupid to fall for the word games. .
    For example since there is no pro-death movement, it's ridiculous that the 'pro-life' language has been adopted by even those who oppose it.
    Since I can't envision a major speech on the subject of language, this is a major vulnerability for Obama and all non-conservatives.

    There was not nearly enough reaction to the portrayal of 'losing one's bearings' as having anything to do with age. It's actually an expression referring to navigtion, losing one's sense of direction. Instead, losing one's marbles was substituted as a synonym and few noticed to raise the alarm.

    It's going to be very tough,. I hope,that, for once, the country has smartened up enough to not fall for games and gimmicks and will stick to real issues and ideas, instead.
  • how far left does America want to go this round

    I think there's actually a huge misconception about the values of everyday Americans. Truth is, we are surprisingly liberal. But the terms "liberal" and "left" have been co-opted as runasim says, and defined by the opponents of liberalism, a group that truly no longer deserves to be called "conservative."

    A few tidbits from the polls, linked to above and here:


    Americans who believe government should guarantee every citizen enough to eat and a place to sleep is 69 percent

    69 percent of self-identified Republicans — 75 percent of small-business owners! — favor raising the minimum wage by more than $2

    53 percent think unions help the economy and only 36 percent think they hurt.

    Only 25 percent want to see Roe v. Wade overturned

    The public rejects government-funded abstinence-only sex education in favor of “more comprehensive sex education programs that include information on how to obtain and use condoms and other contraceptives” by 67 percent to 30 percent.

    67 percent of Americans favor “diplomatic and economic efforts over military efforts in fighting terrorism.”

    “Amnesty”? Sixty-two percent say undocumented immigrants should be allowed to “keep their jobs and eventually apply for legal status.”

    Only 10 percent want laws controlling firearms to be less strict

    Nearly two-thirds think corporate profits are too high

    And the number one reason we'll have a major change in 2008:

    When you compare Americans who either identify themselves as Democrats or say they lean toward the Democrats, Dems win by fifteen points, 50 percent to 35, the most by far in twenty years. As recently as 2002 it was a tie, 43 to 43.
  • DLS
    Barack Obama in a tank, not only wearing JFK-style sunglasses, but with a corncob pipe in his mouth, too? (JFK glasses rather than aviator sunglasses; that would have worked better with Reagan)

    I think a lot of people would not object to that scene, but be amused by it.

    http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/...

    http://www.historyplace.com/kennedy/jfkpix/cbk-...

    http://www.gogglesandglasses.com/blues_brothers...

    http://www.b-29s-over-korea.com/General_MacArth...
  • DLS
    "It is much more likely that Senator McCain is the 21st century version of Senator Bob Dole."

    Absolutely. FIrst and foremost, the word "dud" comes to mind, followed by the phrase "sacrificial lamb" for those who demand more Com-plex-i-ty and Nu-ance.
  • DLS
    "Truth is, we are surprisingly liberal."

    There is no "progressive majority" as falsely claimed by the extreme site Alter[-]Net.

    The US public is much more conservative than elites in government, media, and academia (and their camp followers), as well as than naive, often childish youth.
    The Pew scale is better than any extreme source like Alter[-]Net, Chomsky, etc.

    http://bp0.blogger.com/_KU_qLvOMe_s/R5Dwdil8YyI...
  • DLS
    "'a liberal, out of touch with the values of average (white) Americans, so far left that he has left America.'

    Well, only because it's true. The real question is, how far left does America want to go this round"

    That's it, completely. Bush-hatred is pathological (diseased) but the rest of us are largely disappointed or worse with things and a Democratic victory is expected. The only question is how far left we really want to go. The young and the childish are foolish to expect another 1993. If it were to happen, the nation needs and is likely to get another 1994. The vacuous (factually and morally) will again be shocked.
  • DLS
    "Only if after losing the election he does commercials for Viagra and Dunkin' Donuts"

    In a post-2008 nut-left USA, neither kind of commercial would be allowed and Dunkin' Donuts and donuts of all kinds would be illegal if not heavily taxed.
  • aba23
    Dukakis did not exactly engender excitement--he did not, for example, garner 1.5 million contributors to his primary campaign, including many first-time voters and many more first-time contributors.

    Dukakis may have had a similar central message of pragmatic, good-governance, but he did nothing beyond stake out positions that he expected people to be drawn to. Obama, on the other hand, works very hard at making the big-picture argument to persuade bipartisanship instead of heading straight for the details. This is where the style-(emphasis)-over-substance approach pays dividends (think Reagan).

    But most important of all, the current White House occupant has presided over an unpopular war, a stuttering economy that is leading to some pretty scary inflationary pressures, and the destruction of a major portion of an American city (New Orleans, that is). When solid Republican districts in Mississippi and Louisiana go Democratic, we shouldn't be looking to 20-year-old comparisons.
  • cooday
    Lifelong Republican John Weil, Former Staff Sgt, U.S. Air Force supports Obama!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvO1xELHp3k
  • DLS, it's fruitless to debate with you, but for others here, note that NONE of the data in the Alternet article is from an Alternet poll. It's from Pew, the same source as DLS's chart, CBS, Gallup, NBC News/Wall Street Journal, CNN/Opinion Research Corp. , NPR/Kaiser Family Foundation/Harvard, Public Agenda/Foreign Affairs, Zogby/National council on Crime and Delinquency and CBS/New York Times.

    Solid professional sources. All the specifics are in the article I linked to.
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