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Hillary’s Tarnished Feminist Credentials

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One of the more maddening threads of the Democratic presidential campaign concerns Hillary Clinton’s feminist credentials: Has she done enough for women? Can successes such as her Pennsylvania primary win be considered victories for feminists? Is she in fact a feminist? And so on and so forth.

I have hesitated riffing on this because along with writing about anything to do with Israel (which I will do at length as its 60th anniversary approaches) feminism is a third-rail in blogging, and all the more so when the blogger is a guy.

My own situation is further complicated because my view of what constitutes a feminist has changed.

There was a time when I would claim to be a feminist. After all, I have been respectful of a woman’s reproductive rights, have shared in being responsible for birth control in relationships, abhor sexual harassment and domestic violence, believe in equal pay and went out of my way as a newspaper editor to find, hire and promote qualified women in that male-dominated business.

All that said, I don’t consider myself a feminist anymore. Nor do I consider myself to not be a feminist. I have come to believe that the label has become conveniently elastic and is used far too often as a cudgel in drawing battle lines.

But if you consider yourself to be a feminist, does Hillary Clinton fit as someone who:

* Supported an unprovoked war that has killed and maimed hundreds of thousands of women and children until it became politically unpopular to do so.

* Would kill millions more by nuking Iran.

* Not merely put up with but defended a spouse who was a serial philanderer.

* Is running for president because of that husband and not despite him.

* Has men in most all of her key campaign staff positions.

* Uses campaign tactics that Lucrezia Borgia would approve of.

*
Whines on cue about being treated differently because she is a woman.

For the sake of argument, I’ll concede that Clinton is a feminist, but she is of that generation of feminists whom a friend calls feminazis because of their orthodoxy.

This crowd includes the sob sisters at the New York state chapter of the National Organization for Women who excoriated Senator Ted Kennedy for “abandoning” Clinton because he was another “progressive white man who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president” and therefore endorsed Barack Obama.

No, my biggest problem with Clinton as a feminist is one that I share with Goldy’s Sister at horsesass.org:

“I don’t actually fault Hillary, because as all successful feminists of her generation who struggled to break the glass ceiling—and isn’t this the ultimate glass ceiling—she has absolutely mastered the rules of a man’s world. Unfortunately, the game is changing, and the old rules are no longer good enough. I wanted the first woman president to be better than the men who preceded her and not simply to be better at their politics. I wanted Hillary to rise above the fray, to inspire and to unite, and to humanize, and to finally be the one to change both how we campaigned and how we governed. While I owe Hillary a great debt for paving the way for the next generation of women politicians, I believe that our first woman president will not come from her generation. The price she and her peers had to pay for playing by the rules, as they existed, was too high. The first generation feminists didn’t realize that woman shouldn’t simply strive to succeed at the old rules, but they needed to change the rules themselves.”

Right on, sister. Right on.

  • daveinboca
    This blog called "The Moderate Voice" is slowly morphing from centrist-left into another straight-ticket MSM clone. Judging from your recent posts, you're now part of the Obamanable Showman's claque in the front row.
  • Lynx
    Hmmm I don't really agree with the points against Hillary in terms of her feminist creds but that said I would comment on some, while saying that this is just my own opinion as a woman, which would undoubtedly make me labeled as "self-hating" by the ladies at NOW:

    * Not merely put up with but defended a spouse who was a serial philanderer.
    This is a very personal decision. I don't have a very good opinion of Hillary, so my own suspicion is that she stayed for purely practical purposes, to retain power. However, her staying or leaving is entirely her business, and neither would make her more or less feminist in my eyes, since she clearly wouldn't do either out of a submissive impulse. Hillary doesn't have a submissive bone in her body.

    * Is running for president because of that husband and not despite him.
    True, but not a point against her as a feminist particularly. Yes I appreciate that it's best to be a "self-made" woman, but the fact is that plenty of politicians make it solely because they have spouses, siblings or parents (hi George!) already inside. I consider dynasties a bad thing, and as a young person damn tired of only remembering Bush's and Clinton's, but consider her path a coincidence, in that she'd have tried the same thing if Bill was her brother.

    * Whines on cue about being treated differently because she is a woman.
    True and the one point I really do agree with in terms of points against her feminism. What kind of tough as nails lady implies unfair treatment every time she doesn't get her way? Can you imagine Margaret Thatcher doing that? Angela Merkel? Hell, Condoleezza Rice?

    The ladies at NOW are insane. In the same condemnation you mention of Ted Kennedy, they accuse him of "psychologically raping" all women in America because of his support of Obama (I'm so not joking).

    As a woman I would be pleased to see a female president, but I don't want it for it's own sake. I want to see a day when the very best candidate, the one who is clearly a cut above the rest, also happens to be female. Clinton is not that candidate, unfortunately.
  • vwcat
    Good posting. I agree that Hillary is not good for women in general. Not only has her campaign prodded and inspired old school feminists to come out with their early 70s terminology and ideas, like all men are evil and women who don;t support her are traitors but, her supporters have become embarrassing.
    I am an independent woman who has always been 'liberated'. I am strong and smart and can compete. But, I don't look for imaginary sexism or blame sexism on everything wrong.
    But, Hillary cries poor me, I am a woman for her own failures. her campaign was run incompetently and that is her fault, not because of the men in this world.
    Her supporters cry sexism for everything and think she is some victim.
    But, who else would have been able to lose 12 straight primaries and be still taken as a serious candidate by the press?
    From Pelosi to Thatcher, I cannot imagine any woman leader acting this way or allowing her female supporters to. they would be embarrassed and horrified.
    They want respect and credibility. They don't want to be treated special just because they are a woman.
    But, Hillary and her supporters do not want equal treatment. they want special, kid glove treatment.
    That is not feminism.
  • EEllis
    Lets go mover some more BS

    * Would kill millions more by nuking Iran.

    If saying that she would nuke Iran (which wasn't what she said but close enough) if they nuked Israel is what you mean then you should say so instead of this horrible distortion, make her less of a feminist I don't see how. Is there a rule that to be a feminist you must be a pacifist or abandon our allies?

    * Has men in most all of her key campaign staff positions.


    I don't know this is true but did she overlook some incredible talented and experienced women? Or should she hire people wiyh much less experience and skill to prove a point to you?



    * Uses campaign tactics that Lucrezia Borgia would approve of.

    So? This is a blow to her feminist creds how? Women should be different somehow? The must act a certain way? Sound a little Stereotypical in what a "proper" Feminist should be.


    By the way why throw out opinions like facts? Why distort the facts so much they are no longer recognizable? Isn't that what you have bashed others for doing?
  • shaun
    Let me briefly put my oar in the water regarding the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the co-presidential innumerable other incidents involving women other than his wife.

    Under other circumstances, I would respect Hillary's decision to remain mute about this scandal.

    But for better or worse (and I vehemently opposed the whole impeachment circus), this was a seminal (no pun intended) event in the Clinton co-presidency and modern American political history. On this basis alone Hillary cannot be given a free pass.
  • DLS
    "By the way why throw out opinions like facts? Why distort the facts so much they are no longer recognizable?"

    The facts don't matter, that's why, only the goals or ends here.
  • DLS
    In the interest of quality control and improvement on this site, I present the latest punditry from another, less extreme and pathetic Hillary-basher, Dick Morris.

    ...

    NO KNOCKOUT; OBAMA WILL WIN ON POINTS

    By DICK MORRIS

    Sports metaphors are trite and too male-oriented, but sometimes they are so apt they are unavoidable.

    The Clinton-Obama contest is like a 15-round heavyweight title bout in boxing.

    Hillary went for an early knockout. All previous Democratic races since 1960 have been decided that way, with one candidate winning decisive primaries, forcing his opponents to withdraw. But Obama beat her to the punch in Iowa, survived a loss in New Hampshire, and countered her sweep of New York, New Jersey and California on Super Tuesday by winning a large number of smaller states, largely by out-organizing Hillary in caucus states. While most traditional candidates are forced out if they lose key states because their money dries up, Obama’s ingenious use of Internet funding provided him with an ample financial base even as he fell behind Hillary in the delegate count.

    But Hillary, in spending all her resources on an early Super Tuesday knockout, was too depleted to do well in the middle rounds — the February caucus and primary states. Her focus on an early knockout led her to neglect organizing in these states, and her insistence on spending every dime she had in pursuit of an early win left her financially incapable of competing in these February contests. Obama won round after round on points, sweeping 11 states in a row and establishing a solid lead in elected delegates.

    Obama piled up such a lead in points in the middle rounds that Hillary has been forced to go for a knockout in the final rounds. Knowing that Obama has more delegates, she has to win decisively in the late primaries to have a chance at persuading the superdelegates to flip and abandon the voters’ choice. But, so far, the proportional representation rules and Obama’s daunting financial advantage have denied her the elusive knockout. Obama can’t knock her out, but he doesn’t need to. Remember, he’s ahead on points.

    Hillary won in Pennsylvania for two key reasons:

    1. Pennsylvania only permits Democrats to vote in its primary. Hillary has always won among Democrats. It is among independents, the swing voters in November, that Obama has manifested his greatest strength.

    2. Pennsylvania is the second oldest state in the nation after Florida. But while the elderly moved to Florida, Pennsylvania acquired its status by having its young people move out. The result is a demographically atypical electorate.

    Both Indiana and North Carolina, the next two states, allow independents to vote in Democratic primaries, and North Carolina has a decidedly young population (it is here that the Pennsylvanian youths moved!). Obama should win both of these states, North Carolina by a lot, Indiana by a little, and their combined effect should wipe out most of the gains Hillary got from her Pennsylvania win.

    By the time the voting ends on June 3, Obama will still lead Hillary among elected delegates by 100 to 150 delegates.

    At that point, the Gang of Four — Gore, Edwards, Pelosi and Dean — will probably call on the superdelegates to make commitments in the next 10 days so that the race can draw to a close and the party can have its nominee. Shortly thereafter, Obama will be able to claim that he is above 2,025, the threshold for victory. And the ref will be raising his arm in triumph.
  • DLS
    And more, from someone else less florid than Shaun these days:

    Is Obama Ready for Prime Time?
    By KARL ROVE

    "Mr. Obama is near victory in the Democratic contest, but it is time for him to reset, freshen his message and say something new. His conduct in the last several weeks raises questions about whether, for all his talents, he is ready to be president."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120899654405739...
  • GeorgeSorwell
    Because who is better qualified to judge anyone's feminist credentials than Shaun?
  • shaun
    DLS:

    Thank you so much for hijacking the comments thread with observations and links that don't have squat to do with my post, which incidentally did not contain "facts" but rather opinions.
  • DLS
    Their opinions were more realistic and sane than those you expressed, Shaun. What was stated in there about the real state of the race and of both candidates of course escaped you, being that a number of facts were reported.

    Feminism doesn't require NOW-idiocy-surpassing blind-PC conformity to angry, anti-US-and-US-interests MoveOn.org extremist positions on Iraq, Iran, or Bush.
  • * Whines on cue about being treated differently because she is a woman.


    This is the aspect of Hillary's campaign that's most relevant to the issue of feminism and it's a telling one. Is there any doubt that Obama would not get away with using his race in a similar manner?

    =====
    DLS,
    You could, at the very least, excerpt and link to the commentary you want to spotlight. Posting such lengthy quotes is in bad taste.
  • RememberNovember
    A column is just that, a think piece written by a columnist, not to be confused with reportage.


    DLS- when you have a shelf full of bona fides, then you can talk.

    Perspective, people, has three points at least for three dimensions.
  • runasim
    Defining feminism is like defining humanity, i.e. there are too many different strands to apply a speciific yardstick to a specific person.
    Except for the obsessed crazies, at the core of feminism has always been the fight for women's freedom to make their own personal decisions., unencumbered by exterior obstacles based on gender.

    Hillary made her own decisions. Nobody, without personal knoledge has legitimate grounds to butt in. BTW, the uncoerced choice to be submissive is also a personal decision, not to be defined by someone else's .notion of what feminists should do.

    These exersises in amateur psychology remind me of a college assignment I once had to do: psychoanalyze all the characters in a play or book in Freudian terms and then repeat the exercise in Jungian terms. At least we all understood it was just an academic excercis about fictional characters, not a therapy session for real individuals.

    That said, my school exercise was interesting, as was this post and enybody's comments.
    Just don't confuse someone's take on the subject for some ultimate truth.
  • shaun
    Runasim:

    Hmm. A submissive president. Now that's an interesting concept.
  • runasim
    "Hmm. A submissive president. Now that's an interesting concept."

    Only you are resonsible for the interesting concepts in your mind, because the point of my comment was something entirely different. To wit: : People without a license shouldn't take their psychological diagnoses of other people too seriously..
    Evem sme people with a license get carried away- to regions beyond the pale.

    I'm always interested in novel ideas, however.
    Maybe you could do a post on dream analysis, an endlessly fascinating subject.
    (I'm serious).
  • Jim_Satterfield
    I have to agree with EEllis about the nuking Iran part of Shaun's post.
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