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Much Ado About Jeremiah Wright

There is much ado at the moment over some inflammatory comments made by “Obama’s Pastor,” Jeremiah Wright. In brief, Wright has said that the U.S. government gives drugs to and builds prisons for blacks, that blacks should sing “God Damn America,” not “God Bless America,” and that it was America’s own terrorism that brought on the attacks of 9/11.

Now, to be fair, some of what Wright said is fair game. Like it or not — and the truth hurts — the U.S. did drop atomic bombs on Japan, killing tens of thousands, and the U.S. has supported some rather nasty regimes throughout its history, notably during the Cold War years but also during the present so-called war on terror. Is there a connection between America’s foreign policy and what happened on 9/11? Yes. Osama bin Laden himself has said so quite clearly again and again. Does that excuse what happened on 9/11? Of course not.

But let’s leave all that aside for now. I’d like to make a few comments as this story relates to the current presidential race:

1) Obama has been quite close to Wright. Obama has referred to him as “an old uncle”. Wright married Obama and his wife. He also baptized their two daughters. Conservatives like Roger Simon are saying that Obama has some explaining to do, and, to be fair, I do think Obama needs to respond more forcefully than he has to some of Wright’s comments, not least because, with this, Wright has become both a campaign issue and a media sensation. And yet, he has already distanced himself from Wright. “The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification,” he has said. “It sounds like he was trying to be provocative.” A bit too provocative, no doubt. Obama’s opponents are trying to connect him more closely to Wright — guilt by association and all that — but Obama has been clear in his condemnation of his pastor’s inflammatory comments.

Steve Benen: “I suppose the reflexive response would be to argue that if John McCain’s embrace of John Hagee and Rod Parsley are offensive, then Obama’s connection to Wright is just as bad. Perhaps, but there is a key difference — Obama has denounced Wright’s more extreme statements and made clear he ‘deeply disagrees’ with the offensive remarks. McCain prefers to pretend that Hagee’s and Parsley’s extremism is innocuous and barely worth commenting on.”

Which brings me to:

2) While there has been much ado over the Obama-Wright connection, just as there was much ado over the supposed Obama-Farrakhan connection, there was almost no ado over the much closer and much more noxious McCain-Hagee connection. While Obama has rejected and denounced Farrakhan — remember Clinton’s desperate pushing of that point? — and has similarly come out firmly against Wright, McCain has accepted Hagee’s embrace without the media bothering to call him on it. While McCain gets away with cozying up to an equal opportunity bigot (anti-Catholic, anti-Muslim, etc.), Obama finds himself the target of yet another smear campaign, one his opponents are more than happy to feed and the media are more than happy to report with glee.

3) Meanwhile, speaking of smear campaigns, a new poll shows that 13 percent of Americans think Obama is a Muslim. Not that there’s anything wrong with being a Muslim, of course, even if some on the right think there is (Muslim = terrorist), but this is a direct result, I think, of the appeal to “casual prejudice” that is a key component of the Republican attack machine, as well as of the Clinton campaign (if to a less malignant degree). Now, the implication will be that Obama is either a Muslim or a member of an anti-American, quasi-Christian church. Either way, the smearing will continue.

4) Obama is being forced to address not just his faith but the practice of his faith, forced to answer questions about his church and his pastor. But what about McCain? Again, the media have shown little to no interest in exploring and exposing the Hagee connection, or in addressing McCain’s religious views generally. And what about Clinton?

Yes, as we begin a new paragraph, what about her? Let me quote again from a Mother Jones article on which I posted early last month: “Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection.”

As I put it then: It would be good to know what Clinton’s views are with respect to this “spiritual war,” would it not? Surely there are other faith groups she could have joined. Why this one? Was it all an act of triangulation, an effort to reach out to conservatives — and in particular to her conservative colleagues in the Senate? Or does she actually believe in the Fellowship and its goals, in bringing Jesus, the Christianist Jesus, into public life, into her public life, into whatever office she holds? If so, what specifically does she believe? Or is she somehow being duped, an victim of the Christianist strategy of “co-belligerency,” whereby “conservatives sit pretty and wait for liberals looking for common ground to come to them,” pulling them to the right and turning them into allies, witting or otherwise, of their noxious agenda? More urgently, what would any of this mean if she were elected to the White House in November? Are we confident we know the real Hillary Clinton? Would she work to guide the country in a more progressive direction, or would she be, in essence, the Fellowship’s liberal in the Oval Office, a friendly liberal willing and eager to do some Christianist bidding?

Valid questions, no? And yet the media aren’t exploring and exposing this either. It is Obama who is forced to distance himself form the likes of Farrakhan and Wright, while few if any questions are asked about McCain and Hagee or Clinton and Santorum and Brownback and their secret little Christianist group on Capitol Hill.

Yes, Obama may need to say more about Wright, but there is clearly a disturbing imbalance here.

(Cross-posted from The Reaction.)

  • JSpencer
    At the rate things are going among the dems, maybe they should just throw in the towel and learn to adjust to a 3rd republican term. Sure, the enonomy might continue to tank, the war might be expanded, those annoying "green" scientists could be sidelined, but at least we wouldn't have to watch this dog and pony show anymore. If Americans are too dumb to understand what is and what isn't in their best interest, then let the downward coast continue...
  • HappySurge
    I say this very rarely, but I've decided that I now love you, irrationally. I have no problem with Obama being asked to distance himself from Wright, and I doubt Wright is going to try to turn the congegration on Obama in turn. It's just this obsessive 'Gotcha!' game folks are trying to play to cast a some'at bigotted perspective on Obama where he's a Muslim terrorist radical in disguise, and everyone knows it's a scam, but it's not completely out of place to ask him to respond. There's no reason, however, for people agreeing that is fair play to not place that same burden on the Clintons and McCain. I will say this, though, in defense of Clinton and McCain, and it's a point that many conservatives will make. They've already been called up and confronted and cast in the 'traitor' frame by their political opponents in the past. They answered for it, then, and distanced themselves. The trouble is, since making that distance, John McCain in particular reversed himself, and if he's not going to explain his ties, he should, with the 'but now he's running for President' justification they use for bringing up this Wright business with Obama, explain his reversals. Basically, I think Wright is fair game, but if Obama comes out, and says, as he has and does, that 'look, this isn't what I stand for' and 'this is how I disagree' which is something he's done consistently, then it is no longer fair game. It is setting people into the worst sort of framing without a basis of reality. I don't know. I have mixed feelings on this, because in part, I want to say its a smear, but I don't want McCain and Hillary by extension, to be smeared as well to balance it. I guess my contention would be if it's fair game, then everyone should be treated it. If it's a blatant smear, then no one should, and a semi-functioning media should know the difference.

    Thank you, Mr. Sticklings
  • GeorgeSorwell
    “I suppose the reflexive response would be to argue that if John McCain’s embrace of John Hagee and Rod Parsley are offensive, then Obama’s connection to Wright is just as bad. Perhaps, but there is a key difference — Obama has denounced Wright’s more extreme statements and made clear he ‘deeply disagrees’ with the offensive remarks. McCain prefers to pretend that Hagee’s and Parsley’s extremism is innocuous and barely worth commenting on.”


    While McCain is mostly getting a pass on this from the mainstream media, the alternative conservative media are hammering away at Obama's pastor. Seriously, turn on your am radio. Limbaugh, Hannity and the others are spending hours a day making claims that things said by Obama's pastor disqualify Obama. Obama's own statements go unreported.

    If Hagee or Parsley is mentioned by the alternative conservative media, it's all about how liberals hate Christianity and free speech.
  • lurxst
    Yeah those pastors are known for saying lots of nutty stuff. I think its very telling that each side continues to pick and choose which inflammatory statements or allusions to myth they want to screech about. I can only hope that having more alternative sources of information available will help the voters see through the rampant racism, sexism, creedism that has been used for centuries against political opponents. They have few new tricks up their sleeve and I think fewer and fewer people are buying it.
  • JJH
    Mr. Stickings, your apologia for Wright and Obama's relationship with him stinks of hypocrisy. Wright has an honorary position in his campaign. Hagee endorsed McCain; he is not his "sounding board," his "spiritual advisor" for 20 years. Hagee did not bring McCain inside the Christian fold and baptize him. And what about Ferraro? If Wright deserves an apologia, then surely she does as well.
  • JJH,
    What level of rejection and denunciation of these remarks by Wright would be appropriate for Obama?
  • Macan
    The bias in Michael Stickings post is evident from the outset. Namely, his agreement with Wright re: A-bombs and Japan:

    "Like it or not — and the truth hurts — the U.S. did drop atomic bombs on Japan, killing tens of thousands..."

    Stickings is representing the US -- unequivocally -- (i.e., "the truth") as the bad guy here. This is actually one of the most controversial events in recent history, and the balance of historiography has tended to support Truman's decision. The US was not an evil aggressor in bombing Japan.

    This was after notable atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking...the Bataan Death March etc. which left-wingers such as Wright (or Stickings) tend to gloss over in criticizing the A-bomb decision.

    After reading the initial paragraph, it comes as no surprise that the rest of the post is a defense of Obama...and a smear of McCain.

    Hagee said some anti-Catholic and anti-gay comments. Heck, Obama didn't even want his picture taken with the Mayor Newsom of San Francisco for fear of being associated with gay marriage.

    As JJH notes, Wright is far, far closer to Obama than his Hagee to McCain.

    Plus, McCain does not have a history of anti-Catholic comments this connection feeds into.

    Obama does have a history of ambivalence towards America - cf. Michelle Obama's comments - with incidents innocuous in themselves, but feeding into a larger image.
  • casualobserver
    Do not worry, Obamaniacs. The KosKids are handling damage control...........

    An Open Letter to White People
    by ngoswami
    Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 10:32:35 AM PDT
    Please let an old black man have his anger in the privacy of his church. After 400 years of what has been done to African-Americans, it is the least that we can do. .......... Have we not heard what Rabbis routinely say about Palestinians across the US? Even our military is told to call Iraqis and Afghanis “ragheads” and “Ali Baba” as a part of their training................

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/14/132623/...

    Note how cleverly, in a matter of a couple of sentences, the writer manages to:

    1. reframe it as a racial issue when it is supposed to be an "everyone's crazy uncle" issue
    2. alienate the Jewish voter
    3. alienate the military voter

    Not often do you hit the trifecta
  • This was after notable atrocities such as the Rape of Nanking...the Bataan Death March etc. which left-wingers such as Wright (or Stickings) tend to gloss over in criticizing the A-bomb decision.

    Damn. I'm always forgetting that two wrongs make a right. Just how many nukes is Iraq allowed to drop on US cities in response to 2003 invasion?

    Obama does have a history of ambivalence towards America - cf. Michelle Obama's comments - with incidents innocuous in themselves, but feeding into a larger image.

    What history of ambivalence are you speaking of?
  • Macan
    ChrisWWW said: "Damn. I'm always forgetting that two wrongs make a right. "

    Not that two wrongs make a right. That Michael Stickings represented the A-Bomb attacks as unequivocally wrong ("The truth hurts"). As something everyone knows.

    I noted that this is actually not the case, and this is a controversial event in history.

    I willingly concede that the United States is an imperial power, that has done very bad things. But in comparison with everything else on offer, the United States has done remarkably well.

    However, those who assume the US to always be unequivocally wrong...ChrisWWW...are those like yourself, whose first instinct is to blame the United States for every problem in the world, to mock those who try to defend it etc.

    As you have been defending Obama to the hilt, I know you know of the ambivalence I reference: his disdain for open displays of patriotism, his wife's comments about pride in America.

    Contra Michael Stickings...it is Obama who has gotten a "pass" from the media for months.

    Will he actually answer hard questions about Wright...or run away after eight blistering, unfair, cruel questions like those asked of him re. Rezko by those evil female reporters for the Chicago press?
  • You make a pretty decent statement:
    I willingly concede that the United States is an imperial power, that has done very bad things. But in comparison with everything else on offer, the United States has done remarkably well.

    and then follow it up with this trash...

    However, those who assume the US to always be unequivocally wrong...ChrisWWW...are those like yourself, whose first instinct is to blame the United States for every problem in the world, to mock those who try to defend it etc.

    Thanks for pigeonholing me into the blame America first crowd.

    As you have been defending Obama to the hilt, I know you know of the ambivalence I reference: his disdain for open displays of patriotism, his wife's comments about pride in America.

    I'm defending Obama against unfair smears. Just like I defended Bill Clinton for his fairy tale comment when it was taken out of context. As for your references, they don't add up to a "history of ambivalence towards America," they're trumped up accusations and you know it. Do you have your flag pin on right now?
  • Forgot to close the bold and italic for the last paragraph... if the mods want to edit it and delete this comment, please do.
  • CStanley
    What I find funny about the Kos comments that CO linked to is that:
    1. Some on the left seem to not realize that when whites react negatively to a radical black preacher being a key mentor of a black presidential candidate, that perhaps the best way to assuage those concerns isn't to point out that almost every black pastor in America goes on rants like this.
    and
    2. They also seem to be oblivious to the condescension to blacks that is apparent in their argument ("Oh, let the black folks have their churches to rant in, it's not like it actually means anything anyway, they're just venting!"
  • GeorgeSorwell
    C Stanley--

    Don't you think non-evangelicals will react negatively to Rod Parsley's call for war with Islam?

    Don't you think evangelicals will find it condescending to have John McCain pander to them so obviously?

    Not to mention how Catholics might feel?

    I hope all that HTML works!
  • Obama responds:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-m...
    [...] Let me repeat what I've said earlier. All of the statements that have been the subject of controversy are ones that I vehemently condemn. They in no way reflect my attitudes and directly contradict my profound love for this country.



    With Rev. Wright's retirement and the ascension of my new pastor, Rev. Otis Moss, III, Michelle and I look forward to continuing a relationship with a church that has done so much good. And while Rev. Wright's statements have pained and angered me, I believe that Americans will judge me not on the basis of what someone else said, but on the basis of who I am and what I believe in; on my values, judgment and experience to be President of the United States.
  • CStanley
    Of course, George- but a good number of conservatives also realize that McCain has to be careful about that. In Obama's case, instead of realizing that, some people are bending over backwards to try to say that it shouldn't be an issue at all (that's not to say that all Obama supporters are doing that- some are saying that he needs to get out in front of this- they realize the importance of it.) Those who believe it's no big deal for Obama can think that if they'd like, but they'll only hurt their candidates chances. I'd say the same thing in the case of McCain- it'll only hurt him if he goes too far with associations with radical Christianists.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    C Stanley--

    Thanks for only being concerned with Obama's best interests. ; )
  • casualobserver
    ChrisWWW —27 minutes ago
    Obama responds:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-obama/on-m...

    Credit where credit is due.......a strongly worded denunciation.

    Interestingly, I do not see it as a normal press release yet.

    If not, it strikes me as an interesting piece of political calculus to speak to the nation through a post on the HuffPo. Talk about providing some more fodder for the guilt by association cannon...........lol!
  • DLS
    Obama has spoken against the guy's excesses. The issue may have been slapped down.

    Not that this wasn't another excuse for the Usual Suspects to dive into their sewer and savor their own stench again. Evil USA a la Chumsky, et cetera, ad nauseum.
  • DLS
    C. Stanley -- political correctness is hardly consistent (nor is it often correct).
  • DLS
    "The US was not an evil aggressor in bombing Japan."

    (despite what the POSes claimed otherwise in places like the Smithsonian)
  • domajot
    JSpencer has it right. The Dems are giving a gift to McCain and the Reps, and the gift consists of the election in November. The gift is a co-operative effort between the Hillaryites and the Obamaites They are both busy practising the art of double standards and the finger pointing geme.
    Just one of many possible examples from the post: It's suggested that since someone had the audacity to question Obama's religious affiliations, then, by golly, we have to question Hillary's. Since when is a prayer meeting, by definition, a cabal for evil plans?, This is a descent to the ridiculous, and that kind of approach drags us all doen a spiral staircase to you know where.

    While I agree that Obama's distancing himself from some of Wright's teachings should suffice, I find it amazing that Hillary is never allowed such a getaway. She has been pounded since before her candidacy with snippets from her past, and no amount of distancing will suffice for the worlves at her heels. Some we excuse, others are never forgiven.

    Jack Grant refers to 'pulling a Ferraro". I would say that the Obamaites are pulling a Bush:. For him, cooperation means that Congress does all the co-operating and he gets his way 100% of the time. Any and all means to get his way are justivied by him.. For the Obaimaites, aspiring to a new and better standard in poliitcs is similarly required only of the other camp. .. Backing the 'right' guy justifies taking off the polical and rhetorical gloves, and going for jugular. Never mind that Obams's own message gets trampled in the process...

    How is this dog fight unifying anyone?
    We are in danger of seeing Obama's message of unity go the way of Bush's being the uniiter, not the divider. This post goes a long way to making that happen.






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  • domajot
    CStanley-
    What I find funny is that whevever conservatives concern themlelves with issues on the Left, they skimp on no enrgy to find the most outrageous statements, give those an extra intepretive spin, and then regurgitate them as representative of all non-conservatives. This method reeks of desperation.

    I deplore the vehemence of the Hillary-Obama fight. gling on among Democrats.
    I glory, however, in the fact that they are able to question their own. argue among themselves and don't equate political affiliation with a sacred trust. I would rather see the Democrats lose elections than see them lose their ability to ithink independenly.

    Democrats squabble because they have their priorities straight.
  • domajot
    CStanley-
    You're right. People are hilariouwsly funny sometimes.
    For example. I laughed heartily when Huckabee suggested that a fertilized egg should be designated to be a 'person, under law.

    What is your point, since the post we are disussing is not the Daily Kos?
    As far as I know, Obama has never cited the Daily Kos as a souce of inspiration, either.
    Where is this intended to lead, since it's o/t?
    Should we just submit a list of questionable or funny things people say?
    Well, I always enjoy a good laugh, so perhaps that's not such a bad ide.
  • CStanley
    As always, doma, you are perfectly free to avail yourself of the scroll button if you feel my posts are off topic. Casualobserver linked to a post, I reacted to it- simple as that (just as you spent two comments responding to my comment- is that a commentary on the initial post, as you've reminded me we're meant to be doing?)

    George: I can see why it would seem I'm being a concern troll here- I didn't mean it to be an insincere bit of advice for Obama supporters- just a simple comment on the way I see the situation. You asked if it was different than the related issues that McCain faces, and I was making a comparison, that's all.

    And as I said in another thread, I do think there's a broader issue here than just Obama's and McCain's campaign. In my view, what's been exposed in Wright's church is that radical left politics are entrenched in certain churches, predominately black ones, just as radical right wing politics are entrenched in certain predominately white churches. I think few people believe that the candidates themselves espouse or endorse those radical views, but we ought to be concerned about whether they give legitimacy and political clout to the pastors/religious leaders who use their pulpits this way, if the candidates won't more firmly denounce them for it.
  • domajot
    CStanley,
    I got confused 9old age rapidly advancing) by you comment REMAINING IN the last posted' postioN, and didn't realize that I was responding for the second time. I thought my comment had disappeared. Old age plus hurry can be lethal.

    What has been 'exposed' in this black church has been there, out in the open, since forever. Perhaps Wright's anger is partially due to this kind of willful ignorance.

    By necessity, blacks have and are undergoing an evolution as to theri cultural and societal views. Before the anger, came the uncle Toms, who admonished their children to avoid making trouble and to just lay low. The children got angry, anyway, and demanded civil rights, thank heavens. Being angry and using peaceful means are not mutually excluisve concepts , as Martin Luther King demosntrated.
    But the anger was there, There has to be anger in order to say 'enough is enough'.

    Now a new generation, like Obama, have adjusted to new condtitions and are taking yet another cultural turn.

    What is so surprising in this is that, that some feel it needs to be 'exposed' rather than understood.
    Should Obama spit on the angry generation who got him the footstool on which to stand so that he can reach for the stars?

    Your postition is that Obama should be more sensitive to conservartive whites, right?
    My position is that conservative shites whould study black history so that they can understand where they fit into the evolution of black society.and our society in general.

    I'll be disappointed if Obama takes an apologist stand. His job, instead, is to educate about black history and explain where he persoanlly stands. Today, that's what matters, not how previous generations dealt with their times.. Wright is from that previous generation, who had every reason to be angry.. His message does not serve today's world. That's why Obama is not preaching yesterday's sermons.
  • domajot
    The order in which comments appear is incomprehensible.
    It's impossitlbe to follow the exchange of views.
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