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VeepTalk; or, a Crock of Clinton

(Note: I wrote this post before yesterday’s Mississippi Madness. Given Obama’s decisive victory, he is now even more clearly the frontrunner.)

I’ll let Jon Chait explain, then comment:

Hillary Clinton’s main argument for the presidency is that she is ready to be commander-in-chief, and Barack Obama is not. At the same time, her campaign has repeatedly floated the prospect that she could add him to her ticket as vice-President (which her polling apparently shows might attract wavering voters who like both to vote for her.) But how could she put him a heartbeat away froma job for which he’s totally unqualified?

Clinton’s chief spokesman tried to square the positions thusly:

Howard Wolfson, Clinton’s chief spokesman, said during a conference call with reporters that Clinton would not pick a running mate who has not met the “national security threshold” — as Clinton’s military advisers and Wolfson put it on the call — but that it is possible Obama could meet that threshold by this summer’s Democratic convention.

Wolfson repeated Clinton’s weekend assertion that picking Obama is “not something she would rule out at this point,” but he also repeated that Obama is not ready to be commander in chief, a key requirement to being Clinton’s running mate.

When asked if Obama could do something to cross that “threshold,” Wolfson said, “It’s not something that I’m prepared to rule out at this time.”

But wait — if Obama could cross the threshold by this summer, why not vote for him, since he’d still have another six months before he assumed office?

Meanwhile, Bill Clinton was asked the same thing about Obama’s alleged unreadiness, and replied, “That’s politics.” Now, there’s often a lot of comedy when campaign flaks have to justify the sort of spin that always goes on in campaigns. But the claim that Obama isn’t ready to be president isn’t ordinary spin, it’s the central rationale for Clinton’s candidacy. Now her campaign is tacitly admitting it’s pure bullshit, just something she has to say to get elected. [emphasis added]

Basically, the Clinton campaign is all about smearing Obama. It barely even tries to make a positive case for its candidate anymore, other than the bogus “experience” argument. (And, of all people, Sinbad has exposed her “experience” for what it is, a duplicitous fraud.)

However, it is smart enough to recognize Obama’s incredible appeal, and it is now trying to lure over some of Obama’s softer supporters by suggesting that he would make a fine running mate for Clinton. Simultaneously, that is, the Clinton campaign is smearing and praising Obama: He’s good enough (and experienced enough) to be vice president, but not good enough (or experienced enough) to be president. Or, rather, he may become good enough (and experienced enough) to be vice president, but only, as Chris Orr points out, delving into the inane Clinton mind, if he loses: “Specifically, the Clinton camp suggests that there is little chance of Obama proving himself qualified should he become the Democratic nominee, but at least a reasonable chance that he will prove himself qualified if Clinton is the nominee and wants to consider him for the v.p. slot. In other words, according to Hillaryland logic, the clearest way Barack Obama can demonstrate his foreign-policy bona fides is by losing to her.”

Yes, BS is the right word for this. It is yet another desperate ploy from a campaign that has, in defeat, been trying to rebuild itself on desperate ploys — like accusing Obama of plagiarism, complaining about the media coverage, cozying up to (and praising) McCain, attacking Obama’s inspirational message of hope (and ignoring the substance of his campaign), playing the fear card (and feeding into the culture of fear), seeking to convert Obama’s pledged delegates, and throwing out excuse after excuse in response to each and every loss.

Clinton isn’t serious about making Obama her running mate — and he has responded to the ploy extremely well, picking it apart brilliantly (see this video: note that he doesn’t join her in the gutter — he doesn’t smear her or attack her maliciously; rather, he expresses his respect for her, even after all this, showing remarkable magnanimity, a virtue clearly lacking in his opponent). All she wants is to convince some of Obama’s supporters that a vote for her would, in effect, be a vote for him, that, as long as they like her, too, they could have it both ways, a “dream ticket” with her at the top (of course). It’s politics of an especially cynical variety. She’s hoping she can carve out a few extra votes here and there by duping voters into taking her seriously. As Obama put it, she’s trying to “bamboozle” and “hoodwink” voters.

“You have to make a choice in this election.”

That choice should be Obama.

  • Kanzeon
    If Obama continues to run this race-baiting smear campaign in the Democratic primary, I don't think I could stomach him after the general.

    The reason that her offer to Obama was the wrong thing to do is that she is right, although for a reason she doesn't state - Obama shouldn't be anywhere near the White House, in any capacity. He's a smear merchant.

    McCain is a better man than Obama, and will be a better president.

    The Clinton campaign has done nothing on the scale of the Obama campaign, such as:

    The "not that I know of" smear:

    http://mediamatters.org/columns/200803110002?f=...

    (Repeated yesterday by Axelrod);

    The phony "fairy tale" gambit;

    The repeated smear that Clinton forwarded a photo to, of all people, Matt Drudge;

    http://www.correntewire.com/jumping_the_racism_...

    http://www.correntewire.com/obama_pushes_garb_p...

    http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd...

    He can't even graciously respond to a unifying (though misguided) gesture like an offer for a joint ticket.

    Obama's is the politics of hate, inuendo, and slurs. Fewer and fewer people are "hoodwinked" by him, as he likes to say (in Mississippi, anyway).
  • cosmoetica
    Kanzeon: Now, we already have Superdestroyer and DLS on their own planets, we don't need a third planet added to the TMV solar system.
  • DLS
    The liability we see on this site with the Obama campaign is the rudeness, lies, and slander from some of its supporters. They may even ape Bush derangement and believe the garbage they are posting.
  • Davebo
    Well, now that Clinton has been shown to have effectively lost delegates in both California and Texas I guess the "he can't win big states" argument is out the window.

    And it's only going to get worse delegate wise in Texas. Harris County (Houston) hasn't even begun tabulating delegates yet and it's a safe bet Obama will be strong there.


    If Kanzeon could provide any evidence that Obama was running a "race bating smear campagin" I imagine he or she would provide it.

    The Media Matters link has absolutely nothing to do with Obama unless you believe he somehow controls Chris Matthews .

    The second and third link do have Obama mentioning the claim by Drudge that someone in the Clinton campaign leaked him the Kenya photo. That may or may not be accurate but it's pretty thin gruel for accusations as caustic as these.

    The last link is just a hack job in my opinion. For instance:

    In mid-December 2007, one of the Clinton campaign's co-chairs in New Hampshire, Bill Shaheen, remarked entirely on his own on how the Republicans might make mischievous and damaging political use of Obama's admitted use of marijuana and cocaine during his youth.


    Completely on his own... The guy was co chair of her campaign in NH. I'm not saying that Clinton or Penn told him to make the statement, but she can't pretend he's just some nobody supporter. She forced him out of the campaign to her credit, but she obviously did that for a reason.

    If you want to toss around terms like "smear merchant" with such trivial justification feel free. But don't complain about the laughter your statement draws.
  • DLS
    We have several weeks until Pennsylvania. There's no reason for Clinton to exit until then. Given the superdelegates' presence, there's no reason for her to drop out at any time between now and the convention unless she, rather than Bill, were to experience a Spitzer-like scandal of her own.

    The Dems are stupid if they don't resolve Michigan and Florida (even if the decision is a decision, once and for all, same as earlier not to seat any of that state's delegates) in the weeks to come and even hold new elections in these next six weeks or so. (Or between Pennsy and the Convention, but it shouldn't take any time at all for MI and FL to finance and conduct new elections.)
  • lambert
    Oh, yeah, like "no tiene vergüenza" isn't down in the gutter. Give the Obama forces credit, though, for to sticking to Spanish for the misogyny they only dog whistle in English.
  • Jammer
    This campaign is so tame, so NOT negative and so NOT smearing that I m reduced first to hysterical laughter when people say what kind of campaign Hillary has run, then sadness that no one remembers or was educated in History. I repeat: this campaign is tame. Go back and read about some historical campaigns if you want to see nasty, smears and negativity. then compare that to today, and you will see I am correct. What makes this campaign seem negative is that no one, not Hillary, not McCain, has found a way to criticize Obama without his minions screaming racism. The Clinton "offer" of a VP slot for Obama, entirely reasonable, and capable of being accepted or rejected politely, was instead turned into a racial thing. I heard one person say it was like asking Obama to take a seat in the back of the bus. Well, you know what, thats crazy.

    So, I will say what I have been posting for many months and which has been thoroughly ignored: lighten up. Dont burn bridges, dont become hateful (particularly if you support the man of "hope and unity"), dont tell me you will betray all progressives and vote McCain if your person doesnt prevail, dont tell me this has been a negative, nasty, smearing campaign when it hasnt been, and quit making everything a racial (or sexist) issue. Each side, Clinton or Obama, will need the other to prevail this fall. If we all act like spoiled children and cannot come together at the convention, we will have NO ONE but ourselves to blame. Remember: "its all about the Supreme Court stupid."
  • Davebo
    Lambert,

    It that's a dog whistle then apparantly my dog has gone deaf. In fact of all the complaints from Hillary's supporters, the claim that this:

    “[OBAMA] I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal,” he told reporters.


    constitutes dog whistle sexism is just pathetic. The kind of pretzel logic it takes to jump to that conclusion could write an entire Steely Dan album.

    And Jammer makes a good point. Historically speaking this primary has been pretty tame.
  • Kanzeon
    Davebo:

    The media matters link has everything to do with Obama:

    "Axelrod said the comment by Ferraro, coupled with Clinton's "own inexplicable unwillingness" to deny that Obama was a Muslim during a recent interview, was part of "an insidious pattern that needs to be addressed.""

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/11/ferr...

    This garbage about Clinton refusing to disavow the Muslim rumours is one of the lowest, most dishonest smears of the campaign, as media matters documents - and Axelrod doesn't only repeat it, he amplifies it. Or, is Axelrod not part of Obama's campaign now?

    Obama is a smear merchant. I will not vote for him, under any circumstances.

    (By the way, if you actually read the links, you will have learned that the garb photo showed up on freerepublic.com several days before Drudge posted it. Now, what is more likely - that Republican muckraker Drudge got it from freerepublic or one of freerepublic's posters, or that Clinton's team picked it up from freerepublic and forwared it to Drudge?)
  • Idiosyncrat
    Jammer is 100% right-on. People need to get a grip...
  • Kanzeon
    Jammer -

    I'm not a "progessive" - whatever that is. I'm a Democrat.

    Voting McCain over Obama isn't betraying Democrats. Obama has no commitment to Democratic principles - he has proposed the weakest health care plan imaginable and backed it up with Republican talking points. He has demonstrated no political will - when things get tough, Obama votes "present." I wish Clinton's platform were left of where it is, but I know that she will stand strong, and she will win legislative battles.

    I'd rather have a competent, moderate Republican working with a Democratic Congress than a divisive, identity politics driven train-wreck Democrat who will accomplish nothing and generate a backlash. Feel free to disagree, but I haven't noticed any "progressives" left in the race.
  • cosmoetica
    DLS: 'The liability we see on this site with the Obama campaign is the rudeness, lies, and slander from some of its supporters.'

    So, you've added a moon to your system. Hilarious. And Kanzeon- is he one rock in or out from your sun?
  • Kanzeon
    cosmoetica -

    I think someone who relies on Sinbad as a "refutation" of Clinton's foreign policy experience is the interstellar idiocy champion on this board (particularly when the article linked raises doubts about his recollections).
  • Davebo
    I'm not a "progessive" - whatever that is. I'm a Democrat.</blockqoute>

    I get it, a Democrat who has no idea what the term "progessive"<sic> means, or how to spell it for that matter.

    Thanks, that cleared up a lot of things.
  • pacatrue
    Let hatred reign!
  • cosmoetica
    Kanzeon: I don't know what you are referencing re: Sin(d)bad, but the idea that Obama is a smear merchant is ludicrous, considering many in the MSM have called upon him to let loose, and not be 'above it all.' You canot have it both ways. For the first time in my lifetime it looks like the winner of an election will have done so w/o major mudslinging, even if he's chided FOR THAT!

    Stop w the games. Hill is the old fashioned mud slinger, at least on this planet. In your orbit, in full eclipse of SD or DLS?, therein lies the rub.
  • Kanzeon
    cosmoetica:

    Sinbad is referenced in the main article.

    Obama is a lowlife race baiter. See the media matters link, and then Axelrod's repeating of that smear on the CNN link. You can't get lower than that. NO, that is not "ordinary" debate, or ordinary tactics. It's low and disgusting.

    The idea that Obama isn't engaged in major mudslinging is delusional.

    Davebo:

    Wow, a spelling error. Much better than addressing the point.
  • If McCain's Moderate, I'll eat my hat. If you're a woman, I'll assume you're the typical Hillary supporter (no longer has to worry about Choice).
  • Davebo
    Wow, a spelling error. Much better than addressing the point.


    The spelling error is irrelevant.

    I just think it's fair to take into consideration the fact that a person calls themselves a democrat, but don't have any idea what the word progressive means, and intends to vote Republican if their preferred democrat doesn't win the nomination.

    I'm not condemning you at all. But those are facts certainly relevant when assessing your claims.

    For the same reason I take with a grain of salt scientific lectures about our flat earth.
  • cosmoetica
    Sinbad in the linked article, not the main Stickings article.

    But yr claim is ludicrous. Bill, many Hill surrogates, incl. Ferraro, have implicitly and explicitly made race an issue, wink, nod, and to call that spade a spade is racebaiting. You don't even know the term, then.

    Which is sort of what Davebo was saying.
  • StockBoySF
    On all this talk about racism and mud slinging..... I've found that the old saying, "Those who scream the loudest are the most guilty" is true in many cases, just like, "The pot calling the kettle black."
  • StockBoySF
    Jammer, I disagree with your comment about Hillary's idea of Obama being VP as being reasonable and that Obama turned it into a racist matter..... First, why would Obama even bother to respond to something that's not an offer? For another thing, Hillary is losing so why should he "accept" it? For Obama to say that he "accepts" or "rejects" Hillary's offer means that it has basis- and it has no basis whatsoever. There's no reason for Obama to lend any credibility to Hillary's "idea". After all Obama is ahead of Hillary in both the popular vote and delegate totals.

    Also, during one of the debates last year, when asked, Obama said that Hillary would probably be on anyone's shortlist of VP running mates. And I think Hillary concurred (Obama would be on anyone's list of VP running mates). I think that's all that is necessary when discussing running mates in a campaign. Besides if anyone doesn't believe that Hillary hasn't already promised (or has indicated to) one of the superdelegates a slot as VP was born yesterday. My guess would be Strickland of OH- he was a really strong supporter of Hill's while she was in OH and he does have a lot of Republican support and appeals to Christians.

    Anyway, as far as Obama turning Hillary's idea into a race issue- I don't get that at all. What exactly did Obama say in his response which would lead you to believe was turning this into a racial slur? Obama's response was appropriate given that Hillary is just playing politics with the idea of him being VP, hoping to draw his supporters away.
  • cosmoetica
    http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/13384

    Nice piece on the Clinton mud machine.
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