Our political Quote of the Day comes from The Daily Beast’s John Avlon, who warns in a column titled “False Flags, Sharia Law, and Gun Grabs: GOP Lawmakers Embrace The Crazy,” that the Republican Party, in its ongoing effort to be a kind of political vacuum cleaner of all votes on the right it can muster, is playing a perilous game with its own future — and how our democracy functions.

Despite speculation after the election that the GOP would rebrand, there now seems a)little indication it will happen b)little indication that the most rightwing forces and members of the conservative entertainment complex who make big bucks by getting partisans worked up will allow it to happen. Avlon details some of the Twlight Zone-like theories on the right and laws that can only be passed where GOPers have the power but will turn off independents, moderates and centrists (and yes, they do exist which becomes evident in national elections). He starts off:

A few days after the Boston bombings, Stella Tremblay went to Glenn Beck’s Facebook page to express her conviction that the terror attack was, in fact, orchestrated by the U.S. government
“The Boston Marathon was a Black Ops ‘terrorist’ attack,” she wrote. “One suspect killed, the other one will be too before they even have a chance to speak. Drones and now ‘terrorist’ attacks by our own Government. Sad day, but a ‘wake up’ to all of us.”

She then linked to a video at called Proof! Boston Marathon Bombing is Staged Terror Attack.

Tremblay’s post, though, stood out from the wave of post-attack crazy because of her day job: she is a New Hampshire state legislator.

Like too many enthusiastic dupes, the Republican representative was echoing conspiracy entrepreneurs like Beck and InfoWars’ Alex Jones, who blend dark alternate history with a dystopian future, offering the listeners the “secret truth.”

Tremblay is part of a disturbing trend of – conservative state legislators and even congressmen entertaining conspiracy theories that are creepy and unseemly coming from average citizen, but a sign of civic rot when they start getting parroted by elected officials.

Of course, craziness is a bipartisan issue, with Republicans frequently pointing to former Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney as a Democratic example – but the right has been particularly prone to paranoia since Bush Derangement Syndrone on the left gave way to an epic case of Obama Derangement Syndrome from the other side.

He details some how some laws are motivated by an justified by a world belief that suggests those who have ib believe in black helicopters, then writes:

Adding to the reality-free high pitch of anxiety was the Texas state attorney general who – during the height of the North Korean escalation earlier this month – declared that the real danger to America wasn’t a communist dictatorship threatening to attacks us with nuclear weapons, but the Obama administration.

“One thing that requires ongoing vigilance is the reality that the state of Texas is coming under a new ?assault,” A.G. Greg Abbott said, according to the Waco Tribune, “an assault far more dangerous than what the leader of North Korea threatened when he said he was going to add Austin, Texas, as one of the recipients of his nuclear weapons. The threat that we’re getting is the threat from the Obama administration and his political machine.”

This is the leading elected law enforcement official in our second-largest state.

He gives some more examples, then:

This sickness is starting to infect the halls of Congress. Friday, Congressman Louie Gohmert couldn’t resist telling WND radio that, “This administration has so many Muslim brotherhood members that have influence that they just are making wrong decisions for America.”

That remark came just a day after Republicans Jim Jordan of Ohio and Jason Chaffetz of Utah held a hearing “to examine the procurement of ammunition by the Department of Homeland Security and Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General.”

His conclusion:

Perhaps the highest profile impact of conspiracy theories to date on national policy was the defeat of the universal background check bill – specifically the widespread claims threat that closing existing loopholes would be a first step toward a national gun registry that would in turn bring Hitler-style confiscation to America. That, of course, would in turn lead to martial law, as former Arkansas governor and 2008 Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee explicitly claimed on his radio show earlier this month.

Never mind that the bill explicitly made it a criminal offense to make any such list—fear-fueled hyper-partisan narratives can outweigh facts. As Jonathan Swift famously put it, “you cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into.”

The fact that conspiracy theories are percolating up to local party leaders and even the halls of Congress should be a warning sign for the GOP. As the faithful know, you reap what you sow, and the steady diet of hyper-partisan media has seeded these conspiracy theories in the minds of party activists to the extent that they are starting to shape policy debates. The embarrassing incidents are evidence of a larger problem that needs to be confronted: when you do not condemn the use of hate and fear to serve as a recruiting tool against your political opponents, the ability to reason together is undermined and self-government is compromised. There is a cost to condoning extremism when it seems to benefit “your team.”

There’s a LOT more so go to the link and read it in its entirety.

This music and intro are fitting when you read the info in his column in full:

HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: Avlon’s book of a few years ago is timelier than ever:

JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief
Leave a replyComments (61)
  1. Jim Satterfield April 27, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    The GOP has been heading this way for a long time now. It’s why I feel comfortable saying that it’s not so much that I am a loyal Democrat as I am a fervent anti-Republican. I can’t understand anyone being an apologist for this kind of insanity that is so bad for our country.

  2. SteveK April 27, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Well said Jim.

    The Jonathan Swift quote, “you cannot reason someone out of something they were not reasoned into” in the article is exactly where I am regarding the right.

    The deeper into LaLa Land the Republican Party, it’s apologists and/or anti-liberals go the less I’m inclined to even respond to their craziness, let alone show them facts in an attempt to point them toward what some call reality.

  3. zephyr April 27, 2013 at 2:52 pm

    I’ve never worried more about our society and it’s direction than I have over the past dozen years. The influence of and respect for logic and facts used to be universal enough to coax reason and cooperation when it came down to the wire. It’s a different story now when people refuse to be pried from their talking points no matter how often they’ve been deconstructed and debunked. What does it take to convince people that ideologies and leaders who consider truth to be this dispensible are undeserving of loyalty?

  4. sheknows April 27, 2013 at 6:35 pm

    Every time I hear a Republican try to give an example of terrible things Democrats have said, it never even remotely compares to the outrageous, bigoted, small minded,lunatic fringe stuff that pours out of some of their partys’ mouths. The really frustrating thing about that is that they don’t see that themselves.
    I say you can’t really compare the jokes about Boehners’ orange skin to oh…I don’t know…calling Obama a Muslim terrorist who is plotting to destroy America.
    I am afraid they don’t get it because they believe it at some level. They believe it because they have to find a reason for their loss of power to a minority Democrat and a black one at that. To them, Obama must be the devil incarnate, the antichrist who is fooling all of us with his charm and smooth talking, moving about society and influencing our government in evil ways.
    Conservatives have very limited ability to accept change. Most of them abhor it in fact. That is how we know the party will never embrace any of the values the rest of us cherish, like women being equal to men, or wealthy corporations not being considered people, or our ageing parents being assured of good medical care etc.
    Like Jim, I am not so much a staunch Democrat as an anti-Republican. I see this country headed in a gun toting, bias thriving, wealthy ruling class direction thanks to the Republicans we already have in office.

  5. Willwright April 27, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    I consider myself as an independent moderate who in the past has voted for both Republicans and Democrats. However today I feel I cannot vote for any candidate that describes themselves as a Republican. I don’t consider myself as a Democrat either, but today there’s no other sane alternative. This however is not an endorsement, one party cannot endure based on the insanity of the other. We need at least two viable parties in a democracy to keep each more or less honest.

  6. Jim Satterfield April 27, 2013 at 10:56 pm

    Basically I vote Democratic because it has become so important to keep the GOP out of power to the greatest extent possible. While I do not consider a permanent Democratic majority and Presidency to be some kind of paradise or even a goal worth working for I do believe that only when the GOP has been completely and utterly powerless for at least two full election cycles might it even be possible that rational conservatives will either take power back from the nutcases within the party or just exit en masse to start a new conservative party. What kind of conservatism can survive to the middle of the 21st century and the passing of the majority of the Baby Boomers I don’t know.

  7. dduck April 28, 2013 at 9:42 am

    JS, I vote Rep to keep the Dems out with extra incentive because if they were ever in control for two cycles, what with big money controlling politics, we would see the permanent paradise many liberals think they would like and a one party country.

  8. zephyr April 28, 2013 at 10:59 am

    Well said Jim. It’s been a lesser of evils choice for quite awhile now but the choice has become increasingly clear with each passing year. Anyone who thinks the jury is still out at this late juncture isn’t likely to ever figure it out.

  9. sheknows April 28, 2013 at 11:40 am

    Big money controls politics and that it not a partisan thing…it is simply a reality. But will say that most of that control began back with Republicans Morgan and Rockefeller. Republicans didn’t earn the reputation of being the “big business party” back in the 20’s for nothing! They bought more Republican politicians than Imelda Marcos bought shoes.

    I too have voted Republican before, but mainly for senate or congress based on their previous history and voting records. That was a LONG time ago..before they became…well, unstable. The entire party is schizo, currently having several identies they cannot reconcile or even acknowledge to each other. The libertarian, who wants to tear down the federal government, and every american should be packing guns, the ultra conservative, who thinks the world was made in 7 days and women determine pregnancy with mind control and every american should be packing guns,the moderate conservative who worships big corporations and Wall st. and makes them people,and thinks every american should be packing guns, and the Tea Party who believes our president is a Muslim terrorist, bosses most of the others around, and believes every american should be packing guns.
    I prefer one unified party, flawed as it is because you can introduce change to it’s belief system. That is ..and has been impossible with four( or more) different Republican parties.

  10. dduck April 28, 2013 at 12:06 pm

    SK, I disagree, we are not mature enough for one party, Dem or Rep.

  11. sheknows April 28, 2013 at 2:51 pm

    I said that incorrectly dd. I meant to say I prefer to vote for a party that is unified in it’s beliefs. ( not the GOP currently…or maybe ever) And I agree, NO way are we ready for one party to govern us. I think the communists tried that and aren’t having alot of succes and dictatorships are a real drag for their population.
    We definetely need choices and Yin to whatever Yang for balance. If the Republican party of today doesn’t figure out what it actually believes in and can adapt that to an everchanging society, than they are finished.

  12. The_Ohioan April 28, 2013 at 4:55 pm

    I don’t think anyone needs to worry about this becoming a one party country. It’s not in our DNA. We do need to worry about one party gaining too much power, though, which is why the Democrats on this site have consistently stated they want a strong reasonable Republican party, and urge the Reps here to do something about it.

    We older ones remember too well the excesses of the Democrats when they had too much power. And we are frustrated when the Reps get upset about stories about the far right crazies that have infiltrated into local, state, and national legislatures instead of agreeing that those crazies are not welcome in their party or in legislatures.

  13. dduck April 28, 2013 at 5:13 pm

    I agree with you Ohio, and that is why demonizing of the whole Rep party and sometimes ALL Reps may go towards some getting their backs up and digging in for trench warfare. I know politicians have to have thicker skins than we mere mortals down here in blogland, but they too feel the hate and ridicule that is spewed out especially during campaigns. Both sides are reduced to the lowest common denominator by the agencies and “strategists” that produce ads worthy of Joseph Goebbels propaganda machine (all that campaign money has to go somewhere.) So it’s no wonder we echo on a smaller scale this enmity when it is so evident on the bigger scale; they set the standard and we are lemmings again.

  14. zusa1 April 28, 2013 at 6:12 pm

    Well said dd.

    Regarding two parties, I think there may be a slight conflict of interest when the left gives advice to the right on how to “fix” itself.

  15. zephyr April 28, 2013 at 8:07 pm

    z, it doesn’t matter what the left says because the right will reflexively believe the opposite – even if it’s the opposite of what a wide majority of American citizens think. Btw, I rarely hear the “both sides” meme invoked by the left. Funny that.

  16. The_Ohioan April 28, 2013 at 8:35 pm


    We don’t need to be lemmings. Some of us have the ability to only see things in black and white, which is regrettable, and which is not much help in resolution of problems; we should probably ignore them as much as possible. Others are more able to be nuanced in their opinions. But crazies don’t require nuance; they should be condemned by all, and especially by their own party members.


    Can’t see a conflict of interest when crazies are infiltrating our local, state, and national legislatures and we object to it. After all, we are all subject to their draconian legislation; we should all be concerned and condemning when radical laws are enacted. All.

  17. petew April 28, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    I also think that a Democracy should consist of at least two major parties that can offer voters a choice. This is way preferable to a party which has no check on its power—either Democrats or Republicans.

    What is scary about the propaganda mill that has gained such control over the electorate, is that any type of Democratic society depends primarily on first Amendment freedoms and, the ability of the press to report truthfully. It seems that Republicans are trying to discredit those of us who want such freedoms as merely being secret Nazis or disciples of the Anti-Christ, Obama.

    This propaganda has been fueled by our increasing distrust of government—until it finally gets to the point that millions of people actually believe our President (who undergoes more security checks than Homeland Security could even administer in a lifetime) is really a Muslim and, not even an American citizen—why shouldn’t they?—a handy conspiracy theory provides a frameworks for their paranoia and gives them the answers their own biases crave. But all of this is the self-justified kind of propaganda which gave the Spanish Inquisition its indisputable power and Zeal—as long as change is viewed as some sort of evil, theories will abound that offer “secret” knowledge of the “real” truth that make us feel privy to information that ordinary mortals don’t have—or are being somehow, conned out of.

    What is scarey about catch 22 propaganda, such as that, (We know the Bible is completely true because it says so.) and (we might even be punished if we do not accept its authority) is that it locks the truth into a tiny dark room which deliberately shuns all outside light and influence in order to provide the tentative security of its own darkness. You and I may rail against it, or provide one objective proof after another, but our very urgency to disrupt ignorance, will be perceived as just one more attempt at brainwashing the faithful (religiously and/or politically speaking).

    Call me a cheerleader if you like, but I really feel that Obama has provided some pretty impressive deviations from the path of conventional politicians. For one thing—rightly or wrongly—he has actually tried to reach across the aisle and seek a moderate course. I also think that (although Liberal Dogma should also be avoided) he has demonstrated a genuine desire to better the world through political action.

    But any American President has a dream, and an ideal, even if it involves radical and self-justified politics i.e. although some people actually believe that GW Bush helped plan the 911 attacks in order to make himself look like a hero—no President would actually want the financial sector of our country to receive such a devastating blow—delivering death to innocent people of all races and all religious and ethnic backgrounds.

    Conspiracy theories, wherever they are aimed, can only belittle the character of us all. The sooner these illusions are shattered by the presence of sanity, the better!

  18. sheknows April 28, 2013 at 9:26 pm

    If only the left COULD give advice to the right. It isn’t that the left has become the shining beacon of heavenly governance over the last decade. It is because the right has become insufferable, objectionable and filled with hate. Many of these legislators have become the comic book image of the fist-pounding, spittle-spewing, name calling crazies. They are representative of the voters?? Is that the image you Republicans want? Well, that is not an image the rest of us even want to HAVE as a 2nd choice.
    You guys need to figure it out and present a solid idealogy that has cohesion, dignity and represents true conservatism for a modern world.

  19. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 2:00 am

    To further the point re: ‘crazy extremists’ the first article in the NewsMax buy (top right of the TMV’s home page) reads, “Obama Targets Rush Limbaugh”…

    Most appropriate and too funny, too.

  20. dduck April 29, 2013 at 9:09 am

    I tried.

  21. slamfu April 29, 2013 at 12:37 pm

    I don’t think we are demonizing ALL the GOP. Just the ones who are in charge now, and their talking point spewing talking heads. There are a great many GOP that don’t fit into this category of absurdity, however they now have a name given them by their own party, RINO’s, and have been totally marginalized. If the current crop keeps going down this path the GOP guys running things now are going to be out of power. At that point the Dems will run the show for a cycle or two, but the moderate old school GOP will be then able to mount a comeback and provide a proper check to the Dems, who no doubt will screw things up their own way in the meantime. But those who are running the GOP now need to be called out and ridiculed for the garbage they are passing off as leadership, when in reality its narrow minded foolishness and willful ignorance.

  22. dduck April 29, 2013 at 12:48 pm

    Thanks, slam, I agree. But I worry about the collateral damage which slows the process that we both wish for, a saner Rep party.
    I also worry, given the big money-powered machine that the Dems have, that the Reps could ever come back after two cycles of defeat.

  23. sheknows April 29, 2013 at 1:56 pm

    What big money power are you speaking of dd? The $100M chump change given the GOP by Sheldon Adelson? $80M given by fund raisers? ETC. ETC !!

    If you will recall, the GOP out dollared the Dems by a landslide, and will again with all the backing given them by the “corporate people” they have created.

  24. dduck April 29, 2013 at 2:37 pm

    SK, combined, the pres. campaign cost $2 billion. Both sides roughly equal. Two cycles won by either side might mean a permanent lockout of the other party with that kind of money sloshing around. You want to take a chance with a one-party system, be my guest.

  25. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 3:25 pm

    Myth Busters… – Pepsico, Koch Industries, Others Lobby Against Donor Disclosure

    Pepsico and Koch Industries, along with giant pro-business trade groups like the Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers, have been flexing their K Street muscle in an effort to prevent the Securities and Exchange Commission or Congress from requiring them to disclose donations to politically active nonprofits.
    Those groups and others paid lobbyists in the first quarter of 2013 to weigh in against such initiatives, including a possible set of proposed rules from the SEC requiring publicly traded corporations to disclose their contributions, which may be released as early as next week. A petition asking the agency to take such action, pushed by a coalition of Democrats, union supporters and activist shareholders, has attracted more than half-a-million comments on the SEC’s website, almost all of them favorable.

    In other related news: – “Top Overall Donors”

    The TOP FOUR donors gave 100% of $149,000,000 donated to Republicans and
    Conservative PAC’s in the 2012 election cycle.

    The TOP FOURTEEN “Top Overall Donors” giving to Democrat / Liberal PAC’s did not give as much.

  26. zephyr April 29, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    Thanks Steve. Plenty of big money polluting the process but there is a reason for the CU ruling and it had nothing to do with liberals or moderates. As for concerns about the GOP not being able to come back after 2 cycles of defeat, that would be hard to interpret as anthing but a sign that people were actually beginning to wake up and smell the bs.

  27. dduck April 29, 2013 at 4:54 pm

    Not true, plenty of bs to go around.

  28. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 5:15 pm

    Can you blame corporations for wanting to fight this kind of idiotic mindset? These are DNC delegates!

  29. sheknows April 29, 2013 at 5:36 pm

    Well, since corporations are people…let’s ask them!!!

    If Republicans lose again, it won’t be because the Dems out-moneyed them. They need a serious intervention and a strong leader to emerge to take control of a splintered. outdated, paranoid in many instances,bigoted party and get everyone on a viable political path that has meaning in the 21st century.

  30. dduck April 29, 2013 at 5:46 pm

    SK, Wow, sounds like the Dems have nothing to fear from the party you described, so relax. :-)

  31. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 5:53 pm

    Is any organization a person?

    And to be fair, only half the delegates wanted to ban/cap corporate profits.

  32. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 5:58 pm

    Can you blame corporations for wanting to fight this kind of idiotic mindset? These are DNC delegates!

    “Idiotic Mindset” eh? Well, that is an apt description of Peter Schiff, the gold selling con-man that set-up this Breitbart / O’Keefeish bit of video manipulation.

    Here’s zusa1’s link, judge for yourself:

    And here’s the interviewers Glen Beck impersonation:

  33. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 6:25 pm

    Peter Schiff is a proponent of the Austrian School of Economics which opposes the FED and fiat currencies, one reason being due to the insidious use of inflation as a hidden tax.

    10 year gold chart

    10 year dollar chart

  34. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 6:37 pm

    “Yet Schiff, 46, is not just some opinionated boor. He possesses a self-awareness that renders him a bit less obnoxious than I’ve described, and he happens to have done a better job than just about anyone else of forecasting in 2006 and early 2007 what was about to happen in U.S. financial markets. This wasn’t a broken-clock-is-right-twice-a-day thing: Schiff appeared on the national scene just as the credit bubble was reaching maximum inflation and offered a critique of the nation’s unsustainably debt-fueled economic trajectory that is now–after the fact–widely accepted.”

    Read more:,9171,1900233,00.html#ixzz2RtWsTZCh

    “Schiff’s warnings of a coming economic collapse earned him the moniker “Dr. Doom”[14][37][38] but later articles in Business Week and other business news journals, reported that Schiff “more or less accurately” predicted the financial crisis of 2007–2010 while “nearly all [macroeconomists] failed to foresee the recession despite plenty of warning signs”.”

  35. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 7:12 pm

    Peter Schiff is a snake-oil salesman and an wing-nut to boot.

    He writes for “Townhall”… Is a regular Fox News Talking-head… And in August 2012 he replaced nutter G. Gordon Liddy on “Radio America.”

    In other words, if you live in a wing-nut world you’ll probably hang on to everything the man says but if you just take a peek behind the curtain reality rears it’s ugly head…

    In December 2011, economist Paul Krugman quoted Peter Schiff’s statement from December 2009: “I know inflation is going to get worse in 2010. Whether it’s going to run out of control or it’s going to take until 2011 or 2012, but I know we’re going to have a major currency crisis coming soon. It’s going to dwarf the financial crisis and it’s going to send consumer prices absolutely ballistic, as well as interest rates and unemployment.”
    Krugman noted that inflation had instead remained low, and he concluded that Schiff’s type of economic “model is all wrong” since it predicts that a tripling of the monetary base, such as had just occurred, must lead to “dire effects on the price level”. In January 2012, Schiff stated that a US debt crisis and high inflation had merely been delayed by government policy. In November 2012, Krugman again criticized Schiff’s predictions of high inflation and rising interest rates in America.

    The above quote comes from the same wikipedia article zusa1 used:

    Edit to add: The whole time Mr. Schiff was yelling from his soapbox that inflation was coming he was shilling gold as the perfect way to protect yourself from inflation.

  36. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 7:24 pm

    So I guess banning or capping corporate profits must be a good idea?

    BTW, the gold market is way larger than the sphere of Mr. Schiff’s influence, and the charts I posted speak for themselves.

  37. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 7:47 pm

    We all know that banning or capping corporate profits is NOT a good idea but no one knows the contortions Mr. Schiff went through to get those people say what they said.

    If he led into the his ‘zinger’ question by asking, “If a corporation was making money selling heroin to children do you think their profits should be banned or capped?” How would you reply?

    Like all of James O’Keefe’s ‘Productions’ [sic] I don’t think anyone would be surprised that if the entire video were made available it would tell a different story.

    You’re more than welcome to believe in and quote the Schiff’s and O’Keefe’s of the world and if after watching Schiff’s obviously edited hit-piece makes you believe that Democrats and liberals want to ban or cap corporate profits you’re welcome to your beliefs… And free to try and persuade others to believe them too.

  38. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 8:01 pm

    I just think they have been listening to the evil greedy corporations mantra too much.

    dollar 10 yr return: -16%
    gold 10 yr return: +350%

    What terrible advice!

  39. zephyr April 29, 2013 at 8:19 pm

    The problem with the GOP is their single-minded worship of profits. From that worship comes distrust of oversight, regulation, distrust of the citizenry, and distrust of environmental concerns (and science in general). It’s no mystery why the word “crazy” comes up so often when describing today’s “conservatives”. They invite it.

  40. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 8:28 pm

    Crazy comes up all the time because the left loves to name call.

  41. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 8:37 pm

    dollar 10 yr return: -16%
    gold 10 yr return: +350%

    What terrible advice!

    Ever hear about the “Housing Bubble”… That was going to keep going too.

    I work with silver, and in 2010 I was buying it for $17.00 oz t… In Apr 2011 it peaked at almost $50.00 oz t (up almost 300%)… Today’s market closed at $24.48 oz t.

  42. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 8:49 pm

    “Compared to gold, the silver price is notoriously volatile. This is because of lower market liquidity, and demand fluctuations between industrial and store of value uses.”

  43. zephyr April 29, 2013 at 8:59 pm

    Crazy comes up all the time because the left loves to name call.

    Well I don’t and most of the left leaning people I know don’t either. The reason the word, “crazy” comes up so often is because so many self-identified republicans and their standard-bearer are so quick to dispense with rational behavior. IOW, the shoe fits.

  44. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 9:05 pm

    z, We’ll have to disagree. Caribou Barbie comes to mind. And is it even possible to discuss illegal immigration without xenophobe or worse being hurled?

  45. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 9:22 pm

    If we are to be consistent in not labeling people, maybe the ideas should be called crazy, not the people.

  46. tidbits April 29, 2013 at 9:37 pm

    There are those of both persuasions who trend to the extremes. There are also those of both persuasions who rely on reason and honest discussion who seek to find honest solutions to real problems.

    Right now, the wingers on the right are out-extreming the wingers on the left…my view. We all need to back off just a bit, at least those of us who believe, as many at TMV do, that civil discussion yields thoughtful and useful results. We are the ones who believe in reasoned discussion leading to problem solving.

    Remember, my liberal friends, that it was just a few years back when you lost a House majority and a filibuster proof Senate majority due to over-reaching. Remember, my conservative friends, that you are in the process of losing the demographic war and that you would hold majorities in both houses of Congress were it not for your radical wing forcing extremist candidates on you in at least five Senatorial campaigns in the last two cycles.

    We at TMV, both cons and libs, have common ground. Liberal or conservative we are here for a reason…to reject extremism for rational problem solving enabled by respectful debate. If extremism is the problem, we are the solution.

  47. SteveK April 29, 2013 at 9:38 pm

    Silver 2000 – 2013

    Gold – 2000 – 2013

    Silver more volatile eh?

  48. bluebelle April 29, 2013 at 10:04 pm

    Sorry, but I don’t think the left loves to name call. No more than the right does. If you can justify funding politicians who refuse to admit that global warming exists, still deny evolution and promote the wildest of conspiracy theories that have no basis in fact, then I would like to hear the justification.

    I’m with Jim S.– its not that the Democrats are so wonderful— but much of the GOP has been taken over by obdurate extremists who come to Washington to serve as roadblocks to compromise and problem solving. Until they return to reason and abandon policies that are at least 30 years old, I will not be voting for them and will actively vote for every Democrat who is running in order to keep them out of power. I agree with those who think a one-party system is a bad idea. but the GOP in their current incarnation represents our worst impulses- greed, imperialism, xenophobia, homophobia, small-mindedness, and to some extent racism. The thing I fear the most is that they will keep working to erode the separation of church and state.

  49. zusa1 April 29, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I forgot about teaba**er.

  50. tidbits April 30, 2013 at 8:16 am

    There’s plenty of name calling to go around…from all sides. Disparaging the “other” is a time tested electioneering gimmick. But, here’s an idea. We could start a new trend by not falling for it.

  51. dduck April 30, 2013 at 8:47 am

    Z, I think on a right-leaning forum, there would plenty of crazy and worse epitaphs hurled in a broad based fashion at the Dems. It is the human nature to pile on when one group is bigger, stronger or louder than the other group. At TMV we are the smaller group so all we can do is hold the fort and try and keep ’em honest, same as outnumbered Dems would do on a rightie site.

  52. zusa1 April 30, 2013 at 9:42 am

    dd, I agree about the blogs. I have to give kudos to TMV for keeping this site so civil and respectful.

    I was meaning journalists and political types.

    And Mike Malloy is a real gem.

  53. petew April 30, 2013 at 7:18 pm

    Steve K,

    thanks again for the videos.

    I am a staunch Democrat, but I agree that Democrats are winning public approval not because they are necessarily so virtuous, but because they represent a much preferable brand to the Republican Crazies that regularly shock anyone with any sanity left.

    The Schiff video from the Democratic convention, was probably the same statistically valid sample as the many college graduates interviewed on Jay Leno’s “Jaywalking” feature, who have no idea where the Pacific ocean is—and reveal other unbelievable acts of ignorance. I know absolutely zero Democrats who think that Corporations should not be allowed make profits—which, of course, would totally destroy their interest and ability to be in business at all. Most of us know that, Corporations provide many economic and material benefits, but that the useful products of businesses are not the problem, rather the unethical ways they are run by CEOs and other company executives.

    Personally, I wouldn’t mind if their CEOs made a trillion dollars a year, as long as part of that didn’t result from $300 million in Government subsidies (hypothetically of course) and if the people who nearly sunk Wall Street were actually required to be responsible for, and accept punishment for their greed. There then, would seem to be a shred of justice left in the world. It seems like Schiff found plenty of people who felt eager to accept such straw man portrayals of the very real financial dysfunction, which resulted in many good middle class families losing their 401ks, their jobs, their homes, their ability to help educate their children, and (in many cases) even their ability to put food on their tables! A crook is a crook, even if a golden parachute protects him from culpability and harm.

    Republicans really have become the problem, and the antics of Rove, and Norquist along with so many others, are not always going to go unnoticed by working men who really have become involuntary pawns in the plans of the rich!

    Sorry for getting on my soapbox again—I just saw Les Miserables, the movie, and witnessed the wretched society in 19th century France, which had all too many similarities to the demented world we live in now—along with the Mad Hatter opinions of so many Republicans today—not all, of course, but way too many!

  54. zusa1 April 30, 2013 at 7:28 pm

    Petew, I would say corruption and cronyism are the problem. Why is Jon Corzine not in jail?

    “If Corzine is responsible for the alleged malfeasance of MF Global, does the Department of Justice consider the former senator, New Jersey governor and Goldman Sachs chief too big to jail?

    Who’s looking out for the little guy?”

  55. petew May 1, 2013 at 9:02 am


    I’m not aware of the Jon Corzine, issue, but I do think that the government has been hesitant to go aggressively after Wall Street crooks out of the fear that an administration which seems bent on vengeance(even it that word doesn’t really apply) would only spook the business world and put another roadblock in front of our much desired recovery. Elizabeth Warren seems like a lone warrior as she refuses to believe that American Corporations have become too big to prosecute, as well as too big to fail. I expect to hear some terrific arguments and expose’s from her in the future as well!

  56. dduck May 1, 2013 at 9:15 am

    I wonder if Rangel will get his way:
    “Rep. Charlie Rangel is suing the speaker of the House and a few other colleagues to have his 2010 censure overturned.”
    ” A Democratic-run House voted 333-79 to rebuke him for a slew of violations”
    Now that’s chutzpa.
    P.S. I don’t know if he ever paid the $23k fine for four rent controlled apartments he owned.

  57. zusa1 May 1, 2013 at 9:45 am

    Corruption is certainly an area where the masses on the left and right can join to fight the politicians. The first step might be to get rid of ear marks, which are basically public funds that are used to bribe the constituency back at home to keep electing them.

  58. zephyr May 1, 2013 at 10:52 am

    If corruption is an area where left and right can join to fight then republicans need to be supporting Elizabeth Warren.

  59. zusa1 May 1, 2013 at 10:53 am

    z, I’ll try to keep an open mind.

  60. dduck May 1, 2013 at 12:44 pm

    Yeh, you Reps need to keep an open mind. LOL

  61. zusa1 May 1, 2013 at 1:06 pm

    I’m almost there with evolution so there is hope! :)