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Posted by DAVID SCHRAUB, Assistant Editor in At TMV. Jun 23rd, 2007 | 6 responses
The outgoing UN envoy for the Israel-Palestinian conflict thinks he’s figured out where the UN is going wrong: it’s too “tender” towards Israel and allows them to make “unrealistic” demands of the Palestinians like…recognition.
C’mon Laura, that is just as logical as saying the U.S. government has no reason to exist. The UN serves the purpose of bringing countries together, which it can do better than any other organization and cannot be matched no matter how extensive and how dedicated each countries diplomats are. Sure, it has its problems, but so does our government. Is that any reason to suggest it just all be thrown away?
Though perhaps the UN has passed its prime and it is time for an organization with more teeth to take its place. Of course, we’d never go with that because it would mean surrendering our sovereignty in certain areas … including all the secret prisons we have now where we hold ‘terrorists’ and ‘enemy combatants’, not to mention the fact that it would allow the prosecution of some of our politicians for war crimes/crimes against humanity.
True, The UN is not like a nation.
Still, the logical sequence is the same.
Do you chuck the whole thing out because of flaws when there is nothing better to replace it?
You could make the same argument for democracy, a troublesome mode of governanace with nothing better to replace it.
“Well[,] there’s your problem” — another one with the UN, that is. I’ll laugh at the latest lie from it the next time the Bush people or a subsequent White House after 2009 treats the Israelis like the Czechs were treated in Munich, again.
Ashen Shard:
that is just as logical as saying the U.S. government has no reason to exist
100% wrong, and extremelly silly as well. Only naive fools have faith in world government and give the UN as much as, if not more, credibility and respect than, say, the United States. The UN is full of the ugly politics it was supposed to rise above, and has been degenerate since radicalism of leftism in the 1960s — where else would terrorist Yasser Arafat be made into a celebrity superstar and be invited to speak, where the General Assembly is the most laughable cast of clowns conceivable, while Russia and China play notorious games in the Security Council. The entire UN is often an anti-USA, anti-Western, anti-Israeli left-wing play pen.
The UN’s behavior in contemporary times is the reason why it’s mainstream, not extremist, to consider or even suggest that the USA leave the UN and expel the UN from US territory. Let it play games in a new host site, not necessarily a place like Jerusalem, but, more fittingly, a place such as dictator Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela or some other left-wing darling tyrannical regime. (Zimbabwe!) It’s too late for the USSR to host the “United Free Nations” [sic] in Leningrad, after all.
Domajot:
Do you chuck the whole thing out because of flaws when there is nothing better to replace it
There’s nothing wrong with pulling the plug on the UN, if the civilized world chose to do it. There need be no replacement for it, after all.
You are completely wrong.
Like I said, democracy is also a troublesome undertaking, but it’s the best we got.
Only those who dream about the US dominaitng the world cpuld suggest pulling the plug. Since domination if far from possible, there are still times when the UN comes in handy, even for the US.
Psst, watch out, I think I see a lefty under your bed.!
The UN has no reason to exist.
C’mon Laura, that is just as logical as saying the U.S. government has no reason to exist. The UN serves the purpose of bringing countries together, which it can do better than any other organization and cannot be matched no matter how extensive and how dedicated each countries diplomats are. Sure, it has its problems, but so does our government. Is that any reason to suggest it just all be thrown away?
Though perhaps the UN has passed its prime and it is time for an organization with more teeth to take its place. Of course, we’d never go with that because it would mean surrendering our sovereignty in certain areas … including all the secret prisons we have now where we hold ‘terrorists’ and ‘enemy combatants’, not to mention the fact that it would allow the prosecution of some of our politicians for war crimes/crimes against humanity.
uh no it’s not. The UN does not have a people to rule over, nor does it have a territory it controls.
Two completely, uncomparable, situations Ashen
True, The UN is not like a nation.
Still, the logical sequence is the same.
Do you chuck the whole thing out because of flaws when there is nothing better to replace it?
You could make the same argument for democracy, a troublesome mode of governanace with nothing better to replace it.
“Well[,] there’s your problem” — another one with the UN, that is. I’ll laugh at the latest lie from it the next time the Bush people or a subsequent White House after 2009 treats the Israelis like the Czechs were treated in Munich, again.
Ashen Shard:
100% wrong, and extremelly silly as well. Only naive fools have faith in world government and give the UN as much as, if not more, credibility and respect than, say, the United States. The UN is full of the ugly politics it was supposed to rise above, and has been degenerate since radicalism of leftism in the 1960s — where else would terrorist Yasser Arafat be made into a celebrity superstar and be invited to speak, where the General Assembly is the most laughable cast of clowns conceivable, while Russia and China play notorious games in the Security Council. The entire UN is often an anti-USA, anti-Western, anti-Israeli left-wing play pen.
The UN’s behavior in contemporary times is the reason why it’s mainstream, not extremist, to consider or even suggest that the USA leave the UN and expel the UN from US territory. Let it play games in a new host site, not necessarily a place like Jerusalem, but, more fittingly, a place such as dictator Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela or some other left-wing darling tyrannical regime. (Zimbabwe!) It’s too late for the USSR to host the “United Free Nations” [sic] in Leningrad, after all.
Domajot:
There’s nothing wrong with pulling the plug on the UN, if the civilized world chose to do it. There need be no replacement for it, after all.
DLS-
You are completely wrong.
Like I said, democracy is also a troublesome undertaking, but it’s the best we got.
Only those who dream about the US dominaitng the world cpuld suggest pulling the plug. Since domination if far from possible, there are still times when the UN comes in handy, even for the US.
Psst, watch out, I think I see a lefty under your bed.!