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Indefinite Detention, A Round-Up

Indefinite DetentionOn Thursday, the U.S. Senate passed The National Defense Authorization Act (S 1867), to the tune of $662 billion. Authored by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) and Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), the bill first passed in the Senate (93-7) on Dec. 1. The House passed the bill Wednesday on a 283-136 vote. Thursday’s Senate vote was 86-13.

There hasn’t been a lot of mainstream reporting on a provision relating to indefinite detention of terrorism suspects, including U.S. citizens. Ironically, this bill passed on the 220th anniversary of the ratification of the Bill of Rights. According to the ACLU, “The last time Congress passed indefinite detention legislation was during the McCarthy era and President Truman had the courage to veto that bill.”

From Donna Cassata, AP, with a Friday dateline:

The second provision would deny suspected terrorists, including U.S. citizens seized within the nation’s borders, the right to trial and subject them to indefinite detention. It reaffirms the post-Sept. 11 authorization for the use of military force that allows indefinite detention of enemy combatants. The provision includes a Senate-passed compromise that says nothing in the legislation may be “construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.”

Conservative Republicans, Democrats and civil rights groups have warned that the provision would allow the government to hold U.S. citizens indefinitely. Such incarceration is forbidden by the U.S. Constitution.

Here’s a wrap-up of news, commentary and editorial opposition. I haven’t seen editorials in support. (I haven’t seen many editorials):

Here’s the best thing that can be said about the new detention powers the Senate has tucked into next year’s defense bill: They don’t force the military to detain American citizens indefinitely without a trial. They just let the military do that. And even though the leaders of the military and the spy community have said they want no such power, the Senate is poised to pass its bill as early as tonight…. and because the Senate is using the bill that authorizes funding for the military as its vehicle for this dramatic constitutional claim, it’s pretty likely to pass.

Analysis, Wired, Thursday 1 December

Buried in the 680-page Senate version of the annual National Defense Authorization Act are two provisions that expand the president’s detention powers and rigidly throw certain individuals suspected of involvement in terrorism into military custody…. These provisions undermine basic U.S. liberties and our capability to respond flexibly in dealing with suspected terrorists.

Oppositional op-ed, Friday 9 December: sacbee.com

The act, quite plainly and simply, would allow American citizens in the United States suspected of terrorism to be detained indefinitely without being charged or tried for a crime.

Oppositional op-ed, Monday 12 December: journalstar.com

The version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that emerged from a House-Senate conference meeting Tuesday morning contains many of the same provisions that administration officials and national security experts have warned would harm national security…

Under the latest version of the law, someone like underwear bomber Umar Abdulmutallab could still go from interrogation to trial without ever passing through military hands—and without the need for a national security waiver…

Civil liberties and human rights advocates were less convinced that the bill’s mandatory detention provisions could be so easily circumvented. A coalition of human rights, civil liberties advocates and national security experts held a conference call on Tuesday morning to warn that the NDAA still carves out a hypothetical role for the military to enforce the law on American soil. Sen. Lindsey Graham’s (R-S.C.) comment that “the homeland… is that battlefield”—made during the December 1 debate after which the Senate approved its version of the NDAA—applies equally now, said Raha Wala, a lawyer at Human Rights First. And ACLU legislative counsel Chris Anders argued that the NDAA could set up a jurisdictional conflict between the military and the FBI similar to those that exist between state and federal level law enforcement authorities.

Analysis, MotherJones, Tuesday 13 December

Despite some pretty serious-sounding threats, the White House told reporters on Wednesday that President Obama would not be vetoing a controversial defense spending bill. You might not have heard of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) which includes some language about how the United States deals with political prisoners.

News, Atlantic Wire, Wednesday 14 December

Exactly 220 years to the date after the Bill of Rights was ratified, the US Senate today voted 86 to 13 in favor of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, allowing the indefinite detention and torture of Americans.

Analysis, Thursday 15 December: rt.com

The US Congress has approved a controversial defence bill that would deny terror suspects, including US citizens, the right to trial, permit authorities to detain them indefinitely and require the US military to handle terror-suspected foreign nationals.

The Senate approved the $662bn defence bill in an 86-13 vote on Thursday a day after the bill was passed by the House of Representatives after the White House withdrew a threat to block the proposed legislation over concerns it would undermine the president’s authority over counterterrorism activities.

News, Thursday, 15 December: aljazeera.com

First, while the powers this bill enshrines are indeed radical and dangerous, most of them already exist…. With a couple of exceptions, this bill just “clarifies” — and codifies — the powers President Obama has already claimed, seized and exercised…. there are real dangers to codifying these powers in law with bipartisan Congressional support as opposed to having the President unilaterally seize them and have some lower courts recognize them. Instead, it’s a reflection of how horrible the civil liberties status quo has become under the Bush and Obama administrations.

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Obama’s objections to this bill had nothing to do with civil liberties, due process or the Constitution. It had everything to do with Executive power. The White House’s complaint was that Congress had no business tying the hands of the President when deciding who should go into military detention, who should be denied a trial, which agencies should interrogate suspects (the FBI or the CIA). Such decisions, insisted the White House, are for the President, not Congress, to make.

Analysis, Salon, Thursday 15 December

Military given go-ahead to detain US terrorist suspects without trial
Civil rights groups dismayed as Barack Obama abandons commitment to veto new security law contained in defence bill

Barack Obama has abandoned a commitment to veto a new security law that allows the military to indefinitely detain without trial American terrorism suspects arrested on US soil who could then be shipped to Guantánamo Bay.

News: Thursday 15 December: guardian.co.uk

Sometimes, even as the editorial writers for the most popular newspaper in Northern Nevada, it’s easy to feel like a voice in the desert talking to scorpions and rattlesnakes. Launching a diatribe at Washington, D.C., is about as effective as demanding that a rock do the tango.

But there are some actions on the part of our federal representatives that are so reprehensible that the very contemplation of them is beyond the ken. [The National Defense Authorization Act is one of them.]

Oppositional editorial, (Reno) NewsReview, Thursday 15 December

The White House said this week that President Obama will sign a controversial $662-billion defense authorization that permits indefinite detention without trial for some terrorism suspects and broadens the authorization for the use of force against people and groups “associated” with Al Qaeda anywhere in the world. It’s the wrong choice.

Oppositional editorial: LATimes.com, Friday 16 December

No mention of indefinite detention in these news reports about the passage of the defense bill:

Image via ACLU

Updated periodically as I read new stories.



12 Responses to “Indefinite Detention, A Round-Up”

  1. Rob says:

    I looked into it a bit myself, and while my assessment isn’t in favor of what it says, I think it ended up being bad wording in the bill. If you don’t mind, I’ll post the link here for you to see what I came up with. If you do mind, just edit or delete this comment:

    NDAA 2012

    I’m no scholar though, but that was what I came up with while trying to look at it objectively.

  2. JSpencer says:

    Yet another symptom of the great decline. Disturbing how little attention has been paid to this story by our glorious MSM. I guess the new Playboy spread is more important.

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  4. Rcoutme says:

    To those who might think that the hyperbole is incorrect I submit the following:

    1) The president can claim that someone has been helping Al Qaida
    2) The person is then picked up and (probably) interrogated
    3) The person is never seen again on this Earth

    Wait, what?! Well, being ‘suspected’ of terrorism is enough to grab and hold someone. In addition, the entire planet is now a ‘war zone’. Thus: the person gets no lawyer, no habeas corpus and no recourse.

    Now…I’m not going to say that a president WILL abuse this power. I’m only saying that one could. I will also say that such power has never been available and not abused.

  5. ProfElwood says:

    It won’t take long for a president to figure out what a great tool it is for keeping down the opposition.

  6. slamfu says:

    Exactly Rcoutme! Some people like Senators McCain and Levine are so stupid they don’t realize how Habeus Corpus works and why the founders included it for EVERYONE. Either you guarantee a trial to everyone, or you can’t guarantee it to anyone. If there is one accusation that negates your right to a trial, that is what you accuse anyone of and you have them. Since there is no trial, you don’t need evidence.

    Try this on for size. Replace the requirement of being suspected of terrorism to being a “Purple spotted tree elf”. Now, I arrest you for being a purple spotted tree elf and you would likely say something along the lines of “Hey, that’s insane, purple spotted tree elves are made up, they don’t exist!” At which point I would say “that is an excellent point citizen, you should bring that up at your trial.” See how it works? It loses none of its legal power.

    Such exceptions have been the tool of tyrants throughout history, and are expressly why the founding fathers included the right to trial for EVERYONE NO EXCEPTIONS.

    I think if Obama vetoes this, and it gets pushed through via override, Obama should demonstrate the new power they just gave him by immediately placing McCain and Levine under indefinite detention until Congress realizes the enormity of the error they just made and what power they granted the executive branch. The president would be legally able to do just that and there would be no legal way to stop him.

  7. slamfu says:

    I would like to add that of all our rights, the right to a trial is the most important. Without the opportunity to prover we are falsely accused, none of the other rights matter. What good is my right to free speech or assembly if i can simply be locked up on other charges indefinitely?

    If this passes we lose our right to claim America as beacon of modern democracy and freedom for the world. How this legislation and its implications is not all over the news is beyond me. God bless you Kathy for writing about it.

  8. slamfu says:

    In fact, if I were president and this law passed, I wouldn’t just detain McCain and Levine. To really drive my point home I would arrest every single member of Congress who voted yes on this. I would let them rot in a jail cell until the Supreme Court stepped in and overturned it for the flagrantly unconstitutional law that it is. As a side benefit I imagine it would curtail Congressional whining about “Judicial Activism”.

  9. Barky says:

    Just sent an angry letter to my senator (Blumenthal, D-CT). He’s a former Attorney General and member of the Bar, and he voted “aye”. contemptible.

    I wish the various Bar Associations had some integrity and would disbar members of Congress who so willingly voted in opposition to the Constitution.

  10. PJBFan says:

    I disagree with the law, not because I am a civil libertarian (I am anything BUT a civil libertarian), but because there is room for abuse here.

    However, I doubt that this section will ever get removed. Congress may, at its whim, suspend Habeas Corpus. I doubt the Judiciary can, or will, do anything.

  11. Thanks, folks. Many who voted yes said that the courts have already made this “legal.” I think Congress should be making this ILLEGAL not LEGAL. This is a major move in the wrong direction – it was bad enough when Bush asserted the had this power. Bush and his executive privilege. Bah.

  12. PJBFan says:

    Kathy,

    The thing is, it’s always up to Congress, and Congress is elected, and rarely do Civil Libertarians put people in office.

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