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The Empire Strikes Back
Kos responds to the TNR buyout. TNR’s apology for its support of the Iraq war continues to yield Needa-esque results.
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16 Responses to “The Empire Strikes Back”
Why would you want to ‘go’ there? As is obvious certain people are incredibly partisan, don’t want other people to think for themselves, etc. Isn’t that something one should oppose, instead of wanting to be accepted by the blogmaffia?
“This is personal to me, because I am one of the heretics–not just because I read TNR, but because I supported the Iraq war.”
Face it, David: Supporting the Iraq adventure was such a horrible mistake, it won’t simply go away by apologizing.
Besides, as long as that absolute moron Marty Peretz is allowed to write in TNR, Kos is totally right in attacking them.
“As is obvious certain people are incredibly partisan, don’t want other people to think for themselves, etc.”
Blah. Party infighting is totally normal. As I see it, moving the party to the right, as some ‘moderates’ here want the Dems to do, isn’t in the interest of real liberals. It’s only democratic that they fight such attempts. Stop the whining and offer soem ideas how to mend the mess you hawks helped to create.
Everyone does Gray, and… aren’t liberals always attacking Republicans for being (overly) Partisan?
In the end, though, ‘liberals’ will lose the Partisan battle because they simply don’t have enough popular support.
Kos et alia are destroying their own movement in the long run.
“Everyone does Gray, and… aren’t liberals always attacking Republicans for being (overly) Partisan?”
Indeed. However, Bush and Co. created this partisan environment, and they are still in power. The US is in a verydangerous situation right now, check the Sy Hersh story. This nation desperately needs opposition against the WH’s warmongering. Much to early for the Dems to play nice. Maybe in 2009, happy times will be back again.
“Kos et alia are destroying their own movement in the long run.”
Nonsense. They are simply pandering to their base, and aren’t even especially fundamentalistic in doing it. The blogosphere activeley supported many centrist Dems, most prominently Webb, who wouldn’t have made it without their support, it was that close. What’s not to like?
And if you were right, Bush would already have destroyed his “own movement”. But look at the polls, still about 30% total fanatics left. More reasoning, less agitation pls, Mike.
Once again it’s clear that Gray doesn’t actually read well.
I’ll help. Key:
The ‘conservative base’ is much bigger than the liberal base. The liberal base is more dependent on Centrists / moderates / independents.
“The ‘conservative base’ is much bigger than the liberal base.”
Where do you get that idea? This may have been true in 2000, I dunno, but surely not anymore. Cite one recent poll that shows the conservatives having a “much bigger” base than the Dems.
Oh, btw, looking at the republican candidate roster, I think it’s very likely that at least part of the ‘conservative base’ won’t vote in 2008. Cause Conservative != GOP.
“Once again it’s clear that Gray doesn’t actually read well.”
That’s just another obvious tactic to divert from the central question:
Why should KOS partisanship be worse for the Dems than the hawkish approach of hard core republicans is for the GOP?
Because, Gray, America has more self-identified conservatives than liberals.
Simply more, maybe, but “much” more? And this isn’t a static thing, it’s dynamic, as all polls show. Where’s the evidence for your initial statement?
Imho you’re simply talking out of your, uh, assimilated prejudices, Mike. For instance, look at this:
“AP-Ipsos polling suggests that Democrats may be winning the motivation game. Fewer voters today than in 2004 call themselves Republicans or Republican-leaning. In addition, 27 percent of registered voters were strong Republicans just before the 2004 election, while only 15 percent fit that description today”
Youre wrong. Period.
Gray, I had written a comment with multiple links, but I forgot to log in and it freaking disappeared. Anyway, here is one:
self-identified liberals: 33%
self-identified conservatives: 58%.
here is more.
Here is also a very interesting one by the way – about the media.
Then there is this
And this:
self-identified liberals: 31%
self-identified conservatives: 41%
and this:
“Adults, late 2004, based on my own analyses of the 2004 National Election Study: 35% liberal, 55% conservative (remainder are moderates, non-identifiers, or reported inconsistencies before and after the election)”
PEW:
19% liberal
39% conservative
Rasmussen: “Among the general public, there are more self-identified conservatives than liberals”
The exact numbers differ, but the trend is clear: there are more self-identified conservatives than liberals.
This doesn’t say anything, Michale. You were talking about party bases. There are conservative Dems, as there are (fewer) liberal republicans. All polls about party affiliation show a trend unfavorable for the republicans. This is even in the same polls you cite.
This is very, very discouraging. Nothing should get a free pass because it’s ‘just politics’.
The argument that Republicans/Democrats did it first, or did it better, is exactly like the little kid who explains breaking a window with the old ‘Johnny made me do it” refrain.
From what I’ve read of DailyKos, I get the sense that he can make some very astute observations, but lately is getting carried away with concentrating on what he can do while ignoring the question of whether it’s the smart thing to do. A truly effective tactiician thinks more about long term effects than what I see in Daily Kos.
“A truly effective tactiician thinks more about long term effects than what I see in Daily Kos.”
What long term tactical advantages do you see in NOT attacking TNR for all the crap they write, domajot???