straight_jacket.jpgTHIS JUST IN!!! Obama’s real Kenyan birth certificate has been discovered! OOPS…Wait a minute…Or has it?

The birthers, a growing movement of GOPers who are trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency while being fanned on by increasingly paranoid talk show hosts such as Glenn Beck and some Republican politicians, are at it again. There is THIS BIG NEWS! about a birth certificate proving Obama was actually born in Kenya. How about that? A President not only not born in the U. S. of A but in A-f-r-i-c-a.

There seems to be one little problem so far. Just as conservative bloggers seemingly made mince meat out of the accuracy of CBS-touted documents that some insisted would supposedly politically destroy George W Bush, some maintream conservative bloggers and liberal bloggers now seem to be in the process of making mincemeat out this latest birther excercise in trying like crazy to find something — anything — to delegitimize Barack Obama’s election and presidency..

To wit:

–Political scientist Steven Taylor, about as solid an analyst and blogger as you’ll find, writes this:

For some odd reason, the document is dated 1964 (Obama was born in 1961) and yet this document appears to mean more to the Birthers at WND than do contemporaneous birth announcements in Hawaiian newspapers at the time and the official birth certificate as issued by the state of Hawaii.

It also appears to be the case that Kenya did not declare itself to be the “Republic of Kenya” until December 1964, yet the document in question is dated February 17, 1964 and uses the phrase “Republic of Kenya” (see here). Still, this is clearly a more compelling document than those issued by those good-for-nothing, untrustworthy Hawaiian bureaucrats who are obviously in on the conspiracy to install a foreigner in the White House!

Update: LGF has what might in fact be the real Birth Certificate!

–Kos himself, writing at Daily Kos, has THIS LONG MUST-READ POST with specific details (some hilarious) suggesting that this document is not going to go down in history as the document that removed Obama from the White House.
The conservative blog The Jawa Report has a lot to say including this:

Seriously – for those still clinging to the Birther fable – knock it off. It’s not good for your sanity. You’re wrong, the evidence does not support the conspiracy claims, and you’re making it harder for us out here who are trying to fight bad policy instead of chasing and battling windmills and shadows.

Step away from “the light” and come back to Earth.

-Conservative blogger Tom McGuire, who has suggested he’s open to a good argument on this issue, also seems to be shaking his head:

So where did this document supposedly come from? It was issued on Feb 17, 1964. To whom, and why? No explanation is offered. How did it happen to be saved all these years? No explanation.

FWIW, Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were divorced in January 1964. Why would someone from the Kenyan side of the family want Baby Barack’s birth certificate a month later? But who from the Dunham side of the family would have requested it, saved it, and eventually pitched it to Taitz?

From another direction, some font expert may be able to opine on whether the fonts in use were available in 1964. But all that can do is discredit the document. Offhand, the only way I can think of to validate the document would be to have some Kenyan official do so. Good luck.

–Media Matters is having fun with this “revelation.”
-Pam’s House Blend:

The weak-minded Birther movement cares little about facts — they accept any fantasy explanation as they go along. They watch head birthers Darth Lou Dobbs and Orly Taitz wield their store-bought lightsabers in the air and the knuckle-dragging Birthers shout “YES!” in unison. They get all stirred up by the latest “evidence” regarding the President’s imagined birth in Kenya…then the facts undo the fantasy.

Doug Mataconis has a detailed must-read debunking of the certificate and writes:

Something tells me that the birthers are going to be sadly disappointed when this one is revealed for the forgery it most likely is.

PREDICTION: The impending failure of this to be the smoking birth certicate won’t make a bit of difference.

What is really at play is not an effort to show a fact but a burning desire to find something to delegitimize Obama and cast into doubt the entire 2008 election. It’s like the intense beliefs some cling to about the grassy knoll; the assertion by racists (who claimed what they were saying didn’t mean they were racists) in the 1960s that Martin Luther King, Jr. was really, definitely, unquestionably a full-fledged Communist and working with Moscow; or Oliver Stone’s totally unproven assertion that LBJ was involved in the Kennedy assassination.

And, yes, I know there are You Tubes about LBJ’s supposed role in Kennedy’s death. But there is also this birth certificate as well.

During the Bush administration I had someone who insisted she knew the “facts” about Dick Cheney. She rattled off a series of shocking allegations that weren’t just way out there but in another galaxy. She was convinced they were true: she heard them and they were never denied by Cheney. I’m not a fan of Cheney’s but I wondered the next time she said anything to me as fact, I tuned her totally out.

And that’s the problem for the GOP if this remains unchecked and unrepudiated. Strongly.

It’s the notion that if you don’t like someone and lose an election then you scramble in a frenzy to find some way to “get” that person personally and take them out, discredit them because that way you can stop their ideas, halt their proactive efforts to implement their policies that you hate, and discredit all of those who you feel were stupid enough or dumb enough to have voted for him (or her) — and advance your own political “sports team.”

So if something the slightest bit hazy comes up, it’s injected with several gallons of political paranoia and bile. It becomes the truth.

And if you’re challenged to come up with something that proves it’s the truth, you leap at it immediately and trumpet it for all the world to see.

This trumpet blast is turning into a massive sour note.

The bad news: Some are really into this and the movement seems to be growing as the GOP leadership and talk radio show hosts (and people such as the no-longer-mainstream CNN’s Lou Dobbs) continue to enable it, rather than use their powers or leadership or influence over audiences to halt it. It makes our political debate not about policies, but all about frantic attempts to “get” those who with whom we disagree.

The good news:
There are thoughtful conservatives who are joining with liberals and centrists to put this into perspective and who are asking pointed questions and who want no part of this.

For more reaction GO HERE and keep refreshing it.

And be sure to read THIS via Andrew Sullivan.

JOE GANDELMAN, Editor-In-Chief
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Ohdoyou
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Ohdoyou
7 years 1 month ago

Just having some fun, as Joshua Simon “Oh, do you” might say, I’ll keep issuing a Kenyan birth certificate until we get one that works.

MaryL
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MaryL
7 years 1 month ago

Can someone wipe out that racist and stupid first comment? Thanks.

Ohdoyou
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Ohdoyou
7 years 1 month ago

No?

MaryL
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MaryL
7 years 1 month ago

Ah. Blasted while I was posting. Carry on.

bonesboy
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bonesboy
7 years 1 month ago
I just wanted to weigh in here. I’m a moderate independent and have been following the issue of Obama’s natural born citizen status as well as various other statements from the Obama administration that don’t seem to hold water to me. I am one of many others whose political leanings are irrelevant to this issue, who are curious to know who Obama really is and what he really stands for, and aren’t satisfied with the lack of information and/or contradictory information available… I don’t get bogged down over it, I am not fanatical over it. BUT… I do want to… Read more »
paullauppaullaup
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paullauppaullaup
7 years 1 month ago
i dont think there is racial motivation behind “birther” claims (nice of you to pigeon hole people though). these claims were being made in the run up to the election last year. yourself and your media buddies washed over the issue then too. no facts have been aired – there simply is no proof either way whether he is eligible or not. it is the proof that people want to see! this new birth certificate is as unvalidated as the one obama himself issued – however it contains more information than the one he produced. and regarding the date 1964… Read more »
MaryL
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MaryL
7 years 1 month ago

… and the racist first comment is back again. What the hell?

Those of you saying there could be something to this, that the certificate was issued because of the divorce, that “more” information somehow means “better” information: puh-lease. Look up “straws — grasping at”. There are several clear problems with this alleged Kenyan birth certificate as described above and in the links. Give it up.

paullauppaullaup
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paullauppaullaup
7 years 1 month ago

transparency, accountability. this is what people want, but it’s not happening despite these were the messages he campaigned on. and his supporters still blindly follow lol.

incidentally, i dont live in the usa, and am not american either. i have been watching this issue since last year.

it’s time you questioned your media imho.

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago
Birther movement? Come on, doesn’t anyone believe in seeking out the truth if a problem with our government arises anymore? For that matter you could call it the truth seeking movement or any other label that is not so hard hitting and derogatory to anything that doesn’t suite the false Utopian precepts. It is just like the liberals to quickly shut down any questions that arise from conservative America. How can you know it is not a fake? It is not in your hands, you are not a document specialist. If it is found out he has committed fraud in… Read more »
imagephreak
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imagephreak
7 years 1 month ago

Liberals will call you an idiot, a moron, a fringe looney, tin foiler, birther, wacko. The name calling in itself should tell you all you need to know about these guys.

MorganLvr
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MorganLvr
7 years 1 month ago
There isn’t a “long form” so that makes it really hard to produce. Now, someone told someone that Hawaii kept the long forms after they went digital and that they are, and I quote: “Somewhere.” No one else has mentioned this, and the state office said categorically that there were NO long forms at all any more for anyone. Now, if you want to take this one person’s “somewhere” and run with it, be my guest. Remember though, Hawaii is a large, strung out state and that “somewhere” might take a long time to find. But, I assume you have… Read more »
TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
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TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
7 years 1 month ago
The Nordyke twins were born at almost exactly the same time as O, and they do have long forms that have been published on the web. Hawaii might not be generating long forms for new births now occurring but they certainly were being generated in 1961. I was born stateside in 1954, and all I ever had for years was my long form. They are significant as evidence because they are created by the actual hospital at the time of actual birth with little to no opportunity for falsification. Abstracts (short forms) of the kind offered by O can, under… Read more »
brucefletcher
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brucefletcher
7 years 1 month ago

Kenya was made independent from Britain in 1963, and was most certainly styling itself “The Republic of Kenya” by Februarry 1964

paullauppaullaup
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paullauppaullaup
7 years 1 month ago

orly taitz’ court case is effectively asking the state to confirm with Great Britain and Kenya whether the document is legitimate. if it is, there will be another official copy within the records in both countries. Orly is in the UK today so perhaps that is why…

paullauppaullaup
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paullauppaullaup
7 years 1 month ago

and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton touches down in Kenya today in a conveniently well timed 7-nation trip of africa.

all coincedences??

patisok
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patisok
7 years 1 month ago

I am sure she went on a secret mission to destroy all copies of this so called b.c. I am worried about a nation who will not believe the Gov. of Hawii and will believe a crazy lady dentist and part time lawyer. Just blows my mind on how stupid we can be.

faucetman
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faucetman
7 years 1 month ago
“Ms. Dunham and Mr. Obama were divorced in January 1964″. LIE. Divorce decree dated MARCH FIVE 1964, Custody effective MARCH TWENTY 1964. from a copy of the ACTUAL DECREE OF DIVORCE. Get your facts right. Dated 1964, Obama born 1961, SO WHAT? Probably required fvor the divorce, the timing fits exactly. Besides Obama’s FAKE COLB was dated in 2007. “Republic of Kenya” arguement doesn’t prove anything. Easy enough to find other BCs to compare it to. We present logic law and facts, you guys call names and present platitudes. You anti-birthers have NO FACTS. Just your insane, blind alliegence to… Read more »
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shannonlee
7 years 1 month ago

I think the username “j—- my n—-” needs to be blown away. I don’t have a problem with his insane comments, but the name is using the phrase “n—-” as a racist insult, not a term of endearment.

just my humble opinion.

daundersheriff
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daundersheriff
7 years 1 month ago

The WND posted birth certificate from Kenya, where Obama’s mother was photographed in her third trimester I might add, says plainly 1961, not 1964 as suggested in your post. Go back to WND, take off the rose colored glasses, and stop seeing what you want to see.

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago

Other than Shannon objecting (rightfully) against improper language, glad to see no other regular posters here.

What idiocy.

He, of course, is NOT an American citizen, though. He is indeed an alien, but a REAL alien. Haven’t any of you watched the TV show “V”? That was a DOCUMENTARY!!

The truth is out there, hiding in mental hospitals.

RememebrNovember
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RememebrNovember
7 years 1 month ago

JJ Abrams is remaking that series. Should be interesting.

captainsteve
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captainsteve
7 years 1 month ago

I don’t trust ANY politician and almost no one in the media. I still want two answers.

1) Why can’t we see his long-form? Obama knows that millions of citizens want to see it yet he continues to hide it. What/why is he hiding?

and most disturbingly,

2) Why don’t BHO’s supporters want to know the whole truth, especially since there’s a reward of $100,000 for proof that Obama is a “natural born” citizen of the United States.

OBAMA, STOP HIDING. SHOW US THE LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!!!!

seabee
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seabee
7 years 1 month ago
There are a lot of quite reasonable people who resent the fact that they took a leap of faith and voted for a lying despot who spoke of transparancy and change in Washington. The transparancy we got: same old Washington cronism undermined by an unaccountable stealth government ruled by “czars”, and a president who is trying to strongarm Congress and an unwilling electorate into transforming the face of American while bancrupting it at the same time using his force of personality and a complicent media to do so. The birth certificate fever is of BHO’s own making because Mr. Transparancy… Read more »
bob65
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bob65
7 years 1 month ago

He has a long-form birth certificate on file if he was born it Hawaii, just like everyone else. He is the president, so I don’t think Hawaii is going to tell him he can’t have a copy of his own long-form certificate to prove of disprove his eligibility.

He could post it and be done with this……..he won’t.

Something is bad wrong, and it’s not the people that are trying to penetrate the veil of secrecy around Obama’s past.

skibum1125
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skibum1125
7 years 1 month ago
Why would the political brain trust in Obama land want this to go away? I have no doubt personally they they would love to still see this when the 2010 midterms happen. There is a major group of voters out there who self identify as independents. These people dont care about this silliness and most probably arent aware of it. But for those voters who are aware all this does is bolster the idea that the Republican party is being increasingly controlled by the tin foil hat elvis is alive the government blew up the trade center crowd. Americans love… Read more »
patisok
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patisok
7 years 1 month ago
They are sure scaring me. Do we really think the GOP has the answers. Do we go back to GW? The only folks who profited then were the top 5 percent. But looks like the 35% of Right Wing once again will destroy the country. They will get this president Kiledl and then put themselves back in the White House where folks like “”I left my heart in Argetina Sanford and” My parents bought the silence of my mistress” Ensign will give lectures on fidelity and how much God loves and forgives them. Dems doing the same thing of course… Read more »
mlhradio
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mlhradio
7 years 1 month ago
>>Other than Shannon objecting (rightfully) against improper language, glad to see no other regular posters here. What idiocy.<< Indeed. Nice to see how a story about the birther/teabagger loons will bring the vermin out of the woodwork. And pretty much all of them first-time posters, what a coincidence! Funny how that works, eh? (I would be curious to see what birther conspiracy blog is linking to TMV to bring these thoughtful, intelligent souls over here). Anyway, just to re-post a comment here, as to why it is never a good idea to answer any of the silly "Why not produce… Read more »
TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
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TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
7 years 1 month ago
Burden of proof rests with the man who would be president. It is his job to show he is qualified, and arguably O has come a little short of meeting that burden. This is not a criminal trial, where that state has to show all the elements of the crime have occurred. This is a valid legal requirement to holding a position of great power and authority, and NO one is automatically entitled to that position. Show us your creds or apply somewhere else. And yes, he absolutely does have to submit to the constitutional authority vested in the people… Read more »
Don Quijote
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Don Quijote
7 years 1 month ago

springfieldreformer,

Burden of proof rests with the man who would be president.

Too late dimwit… He is the President of the United States of America, He won the Electoral College and the Popular Vote. That makes him President, get over it…

TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
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TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
7 years 1 month ago
So if someone gets hired as a lawyer but they don’t have a valid license, does that make it “too late” to stop them from practicing law? Or would you be comfortable with finding out, after the fact, that the man you thought was your brain surgeon was actually a used car salesman with a phony medical license? So riddle me this. What if Kim Jong Il got plastic surgery (let’s say he looked like Edwards), got flawless US papers, etc., ran for President, won the popular vote, and won the electoral college. Then we found the smoking gun –… Read more »
patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago
mlhradio, is a left-wing propaganda spewing liberal. These are the kind of attacks the left give along with insults because that is the only way they can be seen as intelligent. You may see conservatives as “birthers”, we may see you as “anti-American socialist”. Think about it, your views are far removed from traditional America. Read “Liberty and Tyranny” get some true perspective from the principles of our founding. If you don’t like it, move to one of the socialist countries back east, there are plenty to choose from. Don’t try to change the last shining light of freedom into… Read more »
Zzzzz
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Zzzzz
7 years 1 month ago
patriotshaun, Actually “patriot”shaun, we don’t just see you as paranoid conspiracy freaks, we also see you as the kind of profoundly anti-American nutjobs who want to bring this government and, thus, our country down because you don’t like democracy. You like a government that agrees with you, and you are willing to accept and believe what ever craziness you can to get it, even if it means overturning the popular will. Not accepting the results of this last election and working to undermine it means that you are actively working against the democratic process. You aren’t a patriot. You are… Read more »
TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
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TheOtherJoeInSpringfield
7 years 1 month ago
Bull. Now dissent is bad, because it’s coming from the right? Or perhaps you think we should only dissent on broad policy issues and never challenge constitutionally controlled specifics of the political process. But the right of the people to express their grievances is not so constrained. If you think it is, the burden is on you to show us chapter and verse. Where is it written that we cannot call out deception, error, and corruption in the political process itself? I thought that was the duty of the loyal opposition. Question authority, right? Do you know what makes somebody… Read more »
evilobot
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evilobot
7 years 1 month ago
I would like to know what other presidents had to produce their birth certificates?This Black man with an Swahili first and last name and Arabic middle name,can’t be one of us.After all he comes from this exoctic background so he cant be legitmate. Jon Stewarts explaination makes a lot sense.Barack Hussein Obama Sr.wanted to destroy the USA.So he plotted the USA birth certificate and birth announcements,knowing that Barack Hussien Obama II was born in kenya.He waits for that baby to become a middle age man who becomes president.Bingo you have the real reason Obama is hiding his birth certificate. The… Read more »
ordinarysparrow
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7 years 1 month ago
5) Comments that are abusive, offensive, contain profane or racist material or violate the terms of service for this blog’s host provider will be removed and the author(s) banned from future comments. Such comments also violate the very SPIRIT of this site — which was created to encourage thoughtful and vigorous discussion among readers who may share differing viewpoints. the first commenter is not over the line he has fallen off the cliff. . .the F word shrug, but the id name is not at all appropriate. . . in the South the “a” replacing the “er” is in frequent… Read more »
GeorgeSorwell
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GeorgeSorwell
7 years 1 month ago

John Kerry went through this.

There’s always some underlying documentation that, oh why doesn’t he just easily answer the questions and release it.

As if!

mlhradio
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mlhradio
7 years 1 month ago

Remember, folks – don’t feed the trolls. It only encourages them.

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago
Zzzzz, you can think of me what you will. I served my country in the military and serve my community still. And I’m the one trying to bring this country down. Sounds like the rants and same old attacks from the left. You are no different than the rest of the government controlled drones and media. Maybe you can grow up one day and think for yourself. I doubt everyone one feels the same way you do either. I believe in the facts, rule of law . I’m grounded in reality and follow the principle of the founding fathers not… Read more »
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hillaryvoter
7 years 1 month ago

The bottom line is someone has to prove in court that this Kenyan birth certificate is fraudulent, if in fact it is.

It has more info on it than Obama’s “Hawaiian bc”.

The simple way to prove that is to stop concealing the “real birth certificate” with the hospital name and signatures.

Frankly, I don’t think there is a real Hawaiian birth certificate that shows Obama actually born in Hawaii or he would have disclosed it by now, rather than paying lawyers million$ to hide it along with his college records, etc.

igormarxomarxovich
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igormarxomarxovich
7 years 1 month ago

Old Russian saying…You can tell same lie 1000 time(Ms. Pelosi) but not change truth!

Difference between USSR Communist media and USA “mainstream media”

In Russia government make media say what they want – even if lie.
In USA “mainstream media” try make government what they want – even if lie..
…..eventually they become same thing?!

I Igor produce Obama Birth Certificate at http://www.igormaro.org

Don Quijote
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Don Quijote
7 years 1 month ago
And that’s the problem for the GOP if this remains unchecked and unrepudiated. Strongly. It’s the notion that if you don’t like someone and lose an election then you scramble in a frenzy to find some way to “get” that person personally and take them out, discredit them because that way you can stop their ideas, halt their proactive efforts to implement their policies that you hate, and discredit all of those who you feel were stupid enough or dumb enough to have voted for him (or her) — and advance your own political “sports team.” ROTFLMAO, Standard Operating Procedure… Read more »
patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

springfieldformer, you have a great point! The problem is liberals don’t want to hear what is supposed to be, they only care about their ideologies and don’t care who they have to step on to make their minority views take precedent over majority. The constitution is nothing but a hurdle in their way. Change? Its just business as usual. In short, they don’t care. They are programmed drones that can’t think for themselves or just hate what America..

Holly_in_Cincinnati
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Holly_in_Cincinnati
7 years 1 month ago

This issue is simply not going to go away until President Obama publicly releases his birth certificate, something he should have done over a year ago.

Don Quijote
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Don Quijote
7 years 1 month ago

This issue is simply not going to go away until President Obama publicly releases his birth certificate, something he should have done over a year ago.

Factcheck – Born in the U.S.A

Doesn’t make a damn bit of difference whether Obama shows his Birth Certificate or not, the Birthers will believe what they want to believe no matter what. They just can’t get over the fact that a Black man got elected President of the United States.

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

You would be a complete moron to believe that. Not everyone is a racist, but many choose to use the race card to justify their cause. I figured that intellectual liberals would have a better word to disregard conservatives than “Birther.” How about using words like “concerned Americans” rather than attack labels.

Don Quijote
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Don Quijote
7 years 1 month ago
You would be a complete moron to believe that. Not everyone is a racist, but many choose to use the race card to justify their cause. And here are the partisan and regional breakdowns, which show that the false belief that Obama was not born in this country is most commonly held by Republicans and residents of the South: Yes No Not sure Dem 93 4 3 Rep 42 28 30 Ind 83 8 9 Northeast 93 4 3 South 47 23 30 Midwest 90 6 4 West 87 7 6 Need anyone say more? To paraphrase John Stuart Mills:… Read more »
patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

Baloney. I have met many people here of ethnic minority who are as equally prejudiced as any so called conservative. Prejudice today is much better than it was for minorities than decades ago. In fact, we now have reverse discrimination in which minorities are prejudice against a larger majority race. And often, the liberals are the one to pull the race card more than anyone. Who to say there not the ones that are prejudice?

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

Ha, where do you get your polls from? CNN, CBS or NBC? All liberal biased.

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago

DQ –

Not all Democrats/Liberals are Communists, but most Communists are Democrats/Liberals.

Not all Democrats/Liberals are perverts, but most perverts are Democrats/Liberals.

Not all Democrats/Liberals are self-loathing racists, but most self-loathing racists are Democrats/Liberals.

Not all Democrats/Liberals are elitists, but most elitists are Democrats/Liberals.

Not all Democrats/Liberals are anti-Americans, but most anti-Americans are Democrats/Liberals.

HEY! This is fun and easy. And it requires no thinking or actual facts, like all good Leftist propaganda. No wonder you guys like mindless sloganeering so much.

GeorgeSorwell
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GeorgeSorwell
7 years 1 month ago

Obama’s mother was a US citizen.

That makes him a US citizen.

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago
GS – actually, not necessarily a true statement: In 1961, citizenship by birth was governed by Montana v. Kennedy (366 U.S. 308 (1961)). The court ruled that a child born abroad prior to May 24, 1934, to an American citizen mother did not acquire American citizenship at birth, since at that time citizenship at birth was transmitted only by a citizen father. Although subsequent legislation conferred upon American women the power to transmit citizenship to their children born abroad, such legislation was not retroactive and did not bestow citizenship on persons born before the enactment of such legislation. For persons… Read more »
GeorgeSorwell
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GeorgeSorwell
7 years 1 month ago
This, entitled “Acquisition of U.S. Citizenship By a Child Born Abroad”, is from the State Department’s website: Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) INA provided the citizen parent was physically present in the U.S. for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child’s birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen is required. For… Read more »
AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago
GS – I am certainly not arguing that he is not a citizen; I am NOT a birther. I absolutely believe he was born in Hawaii, and despite my little joke, in 1961 when Hawaii had been a US state for 2+ years, is therefore a ‘natural born citizen’ or any other moniker you want to use that leads to ‘and is qualified by birth to be President of the United States’, and that is the end of that story. But, you made a blanket statement, to whit: Obama’s mother was a US citizen. That makes him a US citizen.… Read more »
GeorgeSorwell
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GeorgeSorwell
7 years 1 month ago

Austin Roth–

I stand by what I said, for the reasons I stated.

I don’t really see why it’s a hard sell, but I sure do recognize that train has pulled out of the station.

Oh, man!!

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago

GS – whatever. I fail to see why you need to defend and stand by a statement that is demonstratively false, that in fact you yourself cited an official source proving it false, and that is in the end not relevant to this discussion, as Obama was born in the US.

But knock yourself out.

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

You cannot have dual citizenship and be President either.

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7 years 1 month ago

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roro80
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7 years 1 month ago

“Obama’s mother was a US citizen.

That makes him a US citizen.”

THANK YOU George. Good buddah, does nobody know anything? Has nobody ever known someone born overseas to American parents? Blah blah about birth certificates, the man was born a US citizen because of his mother whether or not it happened in the US, unless at some point during his adulthood he legally renounced his citizenship.

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago

roro –

See my response to GS. He is wrong.

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

No, unless he was born on a military installation or other American territory, he is not a born citizen. The one US parent rule doesn’t apply in America like it does in other countries.

roro80
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7 years 1 month ago

AR — I thought that it was retroactive? I had more than one friend born overseas, one of which was a citizen here only through her mother. I could certainly be wrong though.

AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago
roro – It does depend on where you are born (US territory or military base, for instance); active duty status, etc. The full details of what counts and what does not are byzantine, to say the least, which is why But as a general rule, unless there is something I missed, what I posted are the rule. Oh, and now we have those splitting the hair of what the definition of ‘natural born’ means. reminds me of the nuts who claim the tassels on the US flags used at press conferences show we are actually under military dictatorship law, or… Read more »
DanDierdorf
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DanDierdorf
7 years 1 month ago

Wow, just “Oh wow”. Farking amazing the blindness so many show, repeatedly and worse, loudly.

Hey Birthers! I demand each and every one of you submit yourselves to DNA testing as I suspect you all to be something other than human based on the complete lack of logic being exhibited.

And since according to your own logic my questioning something puts the burden on you, you must submit to my demand or labeled “not human”.

Thank you.

Almoderate
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Almoderate
7 years 1 month ago
I believe a few others also pointed out a couple of things: 1. The font is off, and if the fold lines are legitimate, why isn’t the print faded in the creases? 2. The crest is some odd version of the British crest and not the Kenyan one. If the Kenyan government was using its own documents between 1963 and the end of 1964, why would it not also have its own crest on these documents? 3. The Kenyan government and the hospital have both said that they have found no such evidence of Obama’s supposed birth there, but this… Read more »
Taz Taylor
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7 years 1 month ago

I have not heard anyone mention one HUGE point in all of this yet.
If it does indeed turn out that Obama’s Mother fudged the location of his birth, then he is not only not a natural born Citizen…he is not a Citizen at all. He would not only be put out of office but also deported.
If she had been honest, and had done the paperwork necessary he would probably have been a Citizen by the time he was a teenager. Since she covered up at the time where he was born, the naturalization process was never needed…….

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

Ha! That’s funny, he’ll most likely abuse his power as President to cover this up if it does turn out to be true that he was in fact born in what is now Kenya. Remember Nixon’s cover up? He’s a politician, not a Saint.

Taz Taylor
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7 years 1 month ago

Exactly, but his mother a naturalized U.S. Citizen would definitely have been able to bring her child to the U.S. and do routine paperwork to petition for his Permanent Resident status. Basicly a formality.

He would never have been able to run for president, not being “Natural Born” but I’m sure his mother didn’t think of that at the time, probably just too lazy to do all the paperwork and pay the fees. Ironic !!

patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago
Governor Schwarzenegger of California cannot run for President for similar reasons, because he was not born here. But he earned his citizenship and is serving his job as governor proudly and justly in spite of the fact that he can never become President. If President Obama has nothing to hide, why doesn’t he be forthcoming towards the scrutiny? Why is he refusing to disclose his personal records. Ok, so you say the burden of proof is on us, as an elected official we have an absolute right to scrutinize him because he is an elected official serving us and not… Read more »
Taz Taylor
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7 years 1 month ago
There is some confusion, a person is a “Natural Born Citizen” if they are born on US soil… regardless of parentage. I know many people like this. I myself on the other hand am a Naturalized Citizen, born outside the U.S. to non US Citizen parents. My point is that Obama (if it is proven at some point that he was indeed born in Kenya) is not a Natural Born Citizen and so not qualified for Presidency. BUT and this is a HUGE point. He did not naturalize and become a Naturalized Citizen either, this would be because of his… Read more »
patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

Well stated Bertie. You have every right to be outraged by a potential problem this can cause. My family came here with William Penn’s Colony and in Jameston, Virginia during the early 1600’s. My family has paid for in blood the rights you and I both have. You have earned your right to be called an American. It should be an honor for him to prove his worthiness to all Americans citizens. He apparently thinks that he doesn’t have to answer to us surfs.

ddadm09
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7 years 1 month ago

I am following this closely to see where this conspiracy ends. Meanwhile I have collected some good articles and sites related to Barack Obama (more than 200 sites or articles). If you are interested take a look at the below link
http://markthispage.blogspot.com/2009/06/how-do-i-get-information-about-barack.html

eyesopen007
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eyesopen007
7 years 1 month ago
If you buy into any of the following liberal LIES, then it would make sense to drop the “birth certificate” argument about the “O”. But since they are all easily refuted (as most liberal LIES are), then any good citizen of the United States that has ever pledged “allegiance to the flag and to the nation for which it stands” should be duty bound to protect the Constitution of the United States and demand that it be upheld by the President, the Vice President, the Senators, the Congress Persons, the Supreme Court, and every other officer of these United States.… Read more »
patriotshaun
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patriotshaun
7 years 1 month ago

Eyesopen007, nicely put. Maybe thats why he want s amnesty for illegals, so he can be legal too…JK:)

jwest
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jwest
7 years 1 month ago

Holly in Cincinnati has shown us that there is hope for humanity.

Yes, simply show the document to put this all to rest.

lawboy87
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lawboy87
7 years 1 month ago
“The bottom line is someone has to prove in court that this Kenyan birth certificate is fraudulent, if in fact it is.” – Hillary Voter Sorry, no that is not how it works. The burden of proof is on the person producing the document (and might I add here, this isn’t even a copied “document” it’s a photograph of a purported document) and claiming it to be genuine. But before we even get to that level, the person filing suit has to establish they have “standing” in order to bring the suit in the first place, that the court has… Read more »
roro80
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7 years 1 month ago
Wow, AR, so I can see some of those and agree, but where do you get “perverts”? anti-Americans (I’m assuming that you’re talking about people who are here in the states)? The funniest is “elitists”. Of course, that word has been overused and morphed in the past year such that it has essentially no meaning. “Self-loathing racists” — is that codeword for “black”? Or are you talking about those white racists who at least have the good taste to realize that being racist is bad? (BTW, on this point, I’d certainly agree with you if you’re talking about the latter;… Read more »
AustinRoth
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AustinRoth
7 years 1 month ago

roro –

Dude. Come on. You don’t recognize someone using hyperbole to point out the stupidity of the post they are responding to? Especially given how I ended it?

Lighten up, bro.

Don Quijote
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Don Quijote
7 years 1 month ago
Not all Democrats/Liberals are elitists, but most elitists are Democrats/Liberal Elite? What’s wrong with elite? If I am a Harvard Professor, I am a member of the intellectual elite, it means that I am smarter and better educated than you are or most people for that matter. If I am a Harvard Professor, I am a member of the scientific elite, it means that I am smarter and better educated than you are or most people for that matter. If I am a member of the SEALs, I am a member of a Military elite, it means that I am… Read more »
Zzzzz
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Zzzzz
7 years 1 month ago
Barack Obama has a US passport which he has held well before he became president. Somebody saw his birth certificate. But whatever. It isn’t like any of you birthers would ever be Obama supporters, even if you had the iron-clad vault long-form copy. You’d still fight his presidency with everything you had. Dissent is one thing. Dissent is lobbying your representatives, doing grassroots organizing, protesting, etc, related to political issues. Trying to bring down a duly elected president based on a whacky conspiracy theory and zero real proof (as in a non-fake Kenyan birth certificate or something that is actual… Read more »
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