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  • He’s making two separate arguments…
    1) Are solutions should be free of ideological posturing (which is impossible IMO)
    2) He supports attempts at stimulating the economy, but thinks we need to take our lumps

    It’s all sort of jangled and contradictory.

  • greenschemes

    That day is here.

    The time for fiscal sanity and fiscal responsibility is now. I had hoped that the democrats would actually strive to do what Clinton did and balance the budget and move forward on a pathway of fiscal integrity but the Democrats seem only interested in matching GWB’s drunken spending spree with one of their own.

    Woe is us. We are bankrupt and again we continue to spend like drunken sailors money we do not have for things we cannot afford because Americans must continue a lavish lifestyle that we cannot afford and should not have. Is there any wonder everyone wants to be like us while denouncing us as drunken sailors?

  • The time for fiscal sanity and fiscal responsibility is now. I had hoped that the democrats would actually strive to do what Clinton did and balance the budget

    FDR and Hoover tried the same shizzz, and it worsened the depression. What got us out of the depression was massive government mobilization of the economy for World War II.

  • greenschemes

    Yep. There you go Chris. See comparing the depression to this recession is silly.

    Doing the wrong thing is worse then doing nothing at all. Its very possible that we will have 23 million unemployed by next year. The government has spent 787 billion to create 3 million jobs.

    Pointless and it will not help. But it sure does make us feel good. Doing the wrong thing just might be worse then doing nothing at all.

  • Yes… and the wrong thing in this sort of situation has been cutting back government spending, adding to the cycle of contraction and job loss.

  • rudi

    Partisan warning – Where were these fiscal conservatives during the Bush drunken years? Flake and Paul were a couple who kept to their principles, the rest are a joke. Now that Obamama is POTUS they find their fiscal con cred – LOL.

  • greenschemes

    Actually Chris Im not talking about cutting back spending at all.

    Id much rather see 787 billion be spent on 1 1/2 years of unemployment benefits while the economy rights itself then build a railroad to Harry Reids Las Vegas or save the mouse in Nanny pelosis home district.

    Or whatever pork the 4 republicans managed to get for their home states.

  • DLS

    “What got us out of the depression was massive government mobilization of the economy for World War II.”

    Don’t forget the inflation that occurred during those war years. Also note and file the additional deprivation during the war, beyond that of the Depression, affecting so many ready to start their adult lives as well as older people (at home as well as obviously in the war theaters), deprivation that ended when the war ended. (Envision a big compressed or tensioned spring being released.)

    “a railroad to Harry Reids Las Vegas ”

    Well, it’s interesting in and of itself (older talk was to run a TALGO train but something more expensive no doubt could be tried — though “bring your home equity loan dollars to play in Las Vegas” probably will fizzle as advertising and marketing strategy for whatever train is run, if ever), and I can enjoy a laugh at the “stimulus” abusers’ expense. I like that idea of a “Topsiders” bar and grill, where that’s the only thing the “girls” doing table service and bartending wear. On teak flooring with polished brass metalwork in the room, of course. (Photos of LA and Orange County coastline marina communities on the walls, some other nautical doo-dads equally at home in Florida)

  • DLS

    At this point, Green Schemes, I actually would accept as a substitute something I consider better, that ordinarly I would oppose, but that I see as definitely better. What is that? I say we take all these totals, for bank bailouts, “stimulus” measures that are largely not that, and now home mortgage bailout measures, and add to the total what is anticipated as the next round of big spending on these things and related subjects. Now consider instead taking all this money, dividing it by the adult citizen population, and give each adult citizen an equal per capitta share of all this total. To answer a remark Rambie made some time ago that I neglected to clarify, I say it would be so large that in many cases people would save and invest and retire all the debt they could and had the desire to and felt was the best use of most, if not all, of their money, and would be tempted to then spend what excess remained, comfortably.

    (It’s in a way related to something I read once from Warren Buffett about dividends. The idea he was expounding was something like after directing money to all kinds of other things, including debt retirement and spending on new capital development, i.e., putting profits back into the business, if no better purpose for revenues could be found, then a dividend would be sensible, i.e., the firm could “spend” rather than “save” or “invest” the money.)

  • DLS

    “the Democrats seem only interested in matching GWB’s drunken spending spree ”

    *** SURPASSING *** As predicted

  • DLS

    “the wrong thing in this sort of situation has been cutting back government spending”

    We’re not reducing it, Chris, but increasing it by an eye-popping amount, at which we don’t react that strongly simply because we’re numb about it as well as cynical, and we know there’s at least one more set of spending initiatives to come that will match and could exceed this first set of spending decisions. In addition to the size of it, what is objectionable is the regressing-to-predictable depravity of the nature of so much of it (not stimulus, but spending of other kinds long favored or sought) and how trust in this has been badly violated.

    Green Schemes, it was three (3) Republicans — though were they honest, they would be Democrats.

    “South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham noted that Collins’ negotiating skills helped turn an $819 billion House bill into an $838 billion version in the Senate. ‘I like them both,’ he told the New York Times, ‘but I wouldn’t want them to buy me a car.'”

    http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1878942,00.html

  • SweetWilliam

    IAOKIYAAR! It’s all OK if you are a Republican! Now, opposition is principle. Funny, when Demos tried it, they were called subversives and traitors. Feh!

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