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Posted by on Sep 23, 2009 in At TMV, Economy, International, Places, Politics, Society, War | 89 comments

Palin Now Sees China Clearly from Hong Kong Hotel Window

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After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that Russia could be seen from Alaska, Sarah Palin can now add a second major power to her foreign policy credentials: China.

By reading a prepared, major foreign policy speech before a packed ballroom in Hong Kong’s Grand Hyatt hotel, Sarah Palin has now clearly and firmly cemented her foreign policy credentials and boosted her credibility for her 2012 presidential run.

While organizers banned media from the event “after the former vice-presidential candidate indicated she would speak differently if reporters were present,” audience members were able to tweet excerpts from her superbly prepared speech.

Acccording to Jonatahn Slone, CLSA’s chief executive officer, “It was a great speech…People got a lot of information” and “are now fully informed on Sarah Palin’s views.”

Her speech, according to the Guardian, covered both US domestic issues and foreign policy, with a particular focus on China.

“She basically said the US would like to not see China as a threat, but because it was not free, there would always be suspicions,” said Jeremy Goldkorn, founder of danwei.org, who attended the session.

Relying on her extensive, newly acquired foreign policy experience, Palin called the Obama administration’s decision to impose duties on Chinese tires a “mistake” and said “We simply cannot turn a blind eye to China’s policies and actions that could undermine international peace and security. China has some 1,000 missiles aimed at Taiwan and no serious observer believes that it poses a military threat to Beijing.” “Those same Chinese forces made our friends in Japan and Australia kinda nervous. China provides support for some of the most questionable regimes from Sudan to Burma to Zimbabwe.”

I am sure that Palin’s excellent, by-others-prepared foreign policy speech made a lot of other countries, and people, kinda nervous, too.

Palin received her first passport in 2007 and traveled extensively to Kuwait and Germany. With this trip to Hong Kong, she certainly rounds out her global travels and experience.

According to the Guardian, Hari Sevugan, a spokesman for the Democratic National Committee, told AP before the speech: “We’re curious as to what she’s willing to say in private but not in public.” “Are there other countries that she can see from her window that she doesn’t want us to know about?”

For more enlightening excerpts from Palin’s by-others-prepared speech, please click here and here.

Note: The opening paragraph has been changed to read: “After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that Russia could be seen from Alaska, Sarah Palin can now add a second major power to her foreign policy credentials: China.”

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  • Leonidas

    So tell me again, Palin holds what government position?

    • Father_Time

      Governor of Guam.

      Ref: George W. Bush

  • DLS

    I’m honestly surprised and disappointed this liberal Web site hasn’t already begun 2-3+ threads on the speech Obama made to the far-too-respected-and-more United Nations today. (This was the speech the fine people at NPR chose to use our tax dollars to make into a major news event with their commentary as well as his speech, post-speech “analysis,” and related info-mercialist drivel and tax money misuse.)

    • PWT

      They’ve got to keep their eye on the ball, you know. Come to think of it, I haven’t even read one story about ACORN or biggovernment.com here, why is that?

      • rudi

        Come to think of it, I haven’t even read one story about ACORN or biggovernment.com here, why is that?Maybe you should do a Google search for TMV site before you go Fox News on us.http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&… Results 1 – 10 of about 162 from themoderatevoice.com for acorn. (0.22 seconds) Back when I had math classes I learned 0/=162…

        Even the NEA non story gets two posts, not (haven’t even read one story)…

        • PWT

          Rudi, you’re right, I even commented on the ACORN post – smooth on my part.

          By the way, I don’t watch Fox News, nor any news cast in general, I have better things to do with my time after work – either the UFC or NASCAAR

        • shannonlee

          I think the NEA thing is a story. From the sounds of it, some people in the white house broke a number of federal laws.

  • Leonidas

    No joke DLS one there was a semblance of living up to the title “The Moderate Voice” now its almost like MoveOn in here. I hope some of the few remaining moderates and the 1 remaining regular moderate conservative contributer (Jazz) can recruit some new contributors. If I want to read liberal drivel I can go to the Democratic Underground. I will say though that Dorian isn’t nearly as bad as Kathy or Michael.

  • PWT

    By the way, Dorian, are you implying that Mr. Obama writes his own speeches or are you pulling you ideas …? John Favreau anyone?

  • SteveK

    DLS / PWT… Somebody call the Waaaaaaaaahmbulance!

  • Leonidas

    Hey the pom pom squad has arrived.

  • Leonidas

    Speaking of the Vice presidential nominees in 2008.

    BIDEN: Hassan thank you very much. I want you to know that Hassan, I have taken advantage of his knowledge and taken advantage of his friendship to seek his advice on many, many issues, including Iran. As a matter of fact, had had I my way — I would be referring to him as Ambassador Nemazee.

    So why is this guy newsworthy?http://slatest.slate.com/id/2229197/entry/2

    Hassan Nemazee, a financier with ties to many major Democratic politicians, was indicted yesterday for defrauding Citigroup, HSBC, and Bank of America to the tune of $292 million. Last month, Nemazee was accused of stealing $75 million from Citigroup, and it now appears he tried to use this money to repay a debt to Bank of America, and in turn took out a loan from HSBC to repay Citigroup, effectively quadrupling the amount of fraudulent debt. Nemazee was charged with three counts of bank fraud and one count of aggravated identity theft. Nemazee became known in Democratic circles in the 1990s as a major fundraiser for the Clinton-Gore campaign, and later became one of the party’s most prominent donors. He has personally contributed mroe than $200,000 to Democratic causes, and raised $121 million for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in 2006. After Nemazee was accused of fraud last month, a number of politicians who had received donations from him returned the money, including Barack Obama. In addition to the money, prosecutors have demanded that Nemazee turn over his real estate holdings, “16 corporate entities and one hedge fund, 14 securities accounts, 32 bank accounts, a 2008 Maserati Quattroporte, and a 2007 Cessna airplane.” Nemazee is currently being held on $25 million bail in his Manhattan home.

    Biden actually does hold an office now.

  • shannonlee

    Oh liberals, you really don’t get it. Palin is the best thing that can happen to you guys. Stop bashing her. Save it for 2012 when it really matters. The last thing you want to do is weaken her before she can win the Rep nomination. Be nice, let her ratings go up, and then destroy her in 2012.

    Let go of 2008, you won.

  • tidbits

    Though generally not a Palin fan, I disagree with the tenor of this post. To the extent that she has been criticized for lacking experience, and told to go get some, this does add to her resume’. That someone else wrote the speech? Non-issue. She went there, reviewed the speech and delivered it. As one who has dissed her in the past, I’ll give her credit here.

    • redbus

      I’m with you on this, Tidbits. You can’t criticize her for doing what you told her to do. And no, she currently holds no government post, fair enough. That didn’t keep a former long-time ago one term Georgia governor from becoming President.

  • Leonidas

    If Progressive want to score some points I have a suggestion for them. Go after Conservatives who actually hold office or receive funding on political issues. Something that Conservative posters here manage to do regularly vs Liberals. Its a lot more credible than rants about Glen Beck and Sarah Palin who are not office holders, or about Eric Cantor actually trying to help a woman find money to treat her relative.

  • DLS

    [chuckle] And no, I didn’t expect anything on here lately about ACORN, even though it was the hottest story in the news recently. At least T-Steel’s thread and one other made it onto here. (I don’t consider ACORN properly “cracked and roasted” yet and I still harbor the real concern they’ll be involved in some sinister way in the Census next year and subsequent redistricting.)

  • DLS

    “either the UFC or NASCAR”

    How ’bout drinkin’ cheap beer, and shootin’ tracer ammo at ‘splodin’ targets? Bonus points for Obama doll ‘n’ such. [hiccup]

    • PWT

      Kentucky Bourbon for me.

      “whiskey, oh whiskey, Kentucky Bourbon straight up raw,
      if I can’t have whiskey for breakfast, I won’t have nothin’ at all…”

  • DLS

    Steve K — as Roro needs to hope for logical-thinking-related”health” benefits, you could use some, too.

    P.S. My apologies for gettin’ the end of the last posting wrawng. Should be, “‘bama dawl.”

    • Huh? I’ve not commented on this post, and don’t know to what you are referring.

  • tidbits

    Let’s see. ACORN, NASCAR, cheap beer, shooting at targets of the President.

    I thought the post was about Palin in China. Are we being treated to the “Discourse of Distraction” again?

  • YIKES! It shure’s hot in here!I have a lil’ soft spot for Sarah Palin due to her Georgia PTA mom quality (moms that I get along with famously on the PTA). But I digress.While I don’t necessarily agree with much of what she said in her foreign policy speech, I do agree with Leonidas’ first comment: she doesn’t hold a political office so I really don’t care. She’s a bit player right now but was the Republican VP nominee so she gets a stage. Now if she’s going to try to make a run for the Presidency in 2012, then I’m all ears (Obama style… sorry Mr. President but I couldn’t help myself).

    correction to previous: And my dear commenters, could we please not attack the entire site and keep the criticism to what the author has written and not what he/she is, should be, will become, etc?”

  • DLS

    “Kentucky Bourbon for me.”

    [grin] Those big bottles shatter into fabulous glass shards when shawtt, too! [hiccup]

    Oops. I missed. Wunder where that bullet went ta…

  • $199537

    After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that she could see Russia from her house in Alaska,

    I’m pretty sure Palin didn’t say that, that was the SNL skit.

    • kathykattenburg

      You’re mistaken, DaGoat. She did say it. She said she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from Alaska. I don’t know if she said her “house” specifically, but that doesn’t really make a substantive difference.

      • EEllis

        “I don’t know if she said her “house” specifically, but that doesn’t really make a substantive difference”

        Well then find the quote Kathy. As a matter of fact Roro posted the quote and what she could “see” had nothing to do with it. It was infact a SNL skit that morons keep repeating as if Palin had said it. Take her to task for implying that Alaska’s location gives her some international experience, but there is a hell of a lot of difference between the reality and a SNL caricature.

    • rudi

      No she did say something to that affect in an ABC interview:
      http://www.slate.com/id/2200155/

  • DaMav

    Lightweights are not invited to spend 90 minutes addressing packed main ballrooms of heavy hitter international investors for six figure engagements. I’d say this is a definitive in your face Eff You and the Little Dog You Rode in On gesture to the skeptics.

    How does the “Moderate” Voice respond? With petty snark, repeating the “see Russia from my house” manufactured quote from Tina Fey, not Sarah Palin.

    Eat your hearts out “moderates”. 🙂

  • The actual Palin quote is: “”As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where– where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border.” This was in response to a question about her foriegn policy experience. So no, she never said “I can see Russia from my house”, but she did imply that mere physical proximity to Russia counted as foriegn policy experience.

  • DLS

    “Palin holds what government position?”

    Official object of federal-government-fan hatred. Perhaps, without being concealed well, also the object of fear and loathing among those same people that she may be the next President of the United States.

    After all, look at how the lib Dems in (Obama, Congress) are self-destructing, especially with health care.

    • StockBoySF

      DLS: (On Palin): “Official object of federal-government-fan hatred.”

      Haha. Remember she’s a strong supporter of the Alaska Independent Party which advocates succession from the US.

  • “Palin holds what government position?”

    So, despite the fact that she was recently not only the governor of a huge if sparsely populated state but also the VP candidate less than a year ago, despite the obvious push she will soon make to run for the highest office in the land, despite the fact that she is constantly shoving herself (and her family) into the spotlight at every possible chance, she’s not ok to talk about because she doesn’t currently hold an office (because of her own choosing)?

  • SmoothJazz0204

    Ahah, The “Moderate”, er “Liberal” Voice strikes again, trashing the former Gov of Alaska. Funny, I didn’t see too many jokes around here when Obama pronounced there were 57 states in the ole USA. I found that as funny as anything Gov Palin has said.

    • StockBoySF

      SmoothJazz: “Funny, I didn’t see too many jokes around here when Obama pronounced there were 57 states in the ole USA.”

      An occasional slip of the tongue, as in Obama’s “57 states” comment is one thing, particularly since Obama had previously said many times on the campaign trail that there were 50 states. And as I recall aren’t there 57 states and territories which participated in the primary, i.e. D.C, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc.?

      A continuous slip of the entire mind is something else. During the campaign when people attacked McCain for “a slip of the tongue” there were liberals on here who defended him and pointed out that the statement in fact was a slip of the tongue.

      With Palin, on the other hand, it’s hard to determine what exactly is “a slip of the tongue” since she can neither speak nor clearly organize her thoughts.

  • Leonidas

    Kentucky Bourbon for me.”whiskey, oh whiskey, Kentucky Bourbon straight up raw,if I can’t have whiskey for breakfast, I won’t have nothin’ at all…”

    Knob Creek is excellent, if you haven’t tried it do so.

  • DdW

    It is refreshing to see that there can be plenty of interest, reaction, and comments on a post (satirical or not) that doesn’t call a person (whether he or she holds office or not) a Nazi, a Communist, a Soclialist, “palin” around with terrorists, and worse.

    Things are looking up

    Thanks

  • Leonidas

    And my dear commenters, could we please not attack the entire site and keep the criticism to the author and what he/she has written? Thanks friends.

    Out of respect for you T-Steel, will do. Your one of the reasons I still keep this blog in my moderate/independent blog instead of Left blog section. But let me first make a final appeal to you to recruit more moderate/centrist or right leaning bloggers for some balance.

    • kathykattenburg

      Leonidas,

      There are several, at least, center-right, centrist, or right-leaning bloggers at TMV. I’ve named some before, but if you can’t see them even when they post, what’s the point? Also, TMV has many more bloggers signed up to post than actually post on a regular basis, or at all. That’s not TMV’s fault or doing, Leonidas. We don’t force people to post here.

    • CORRECTION: I should have said:”And my dear commenters, could we please not attack the entire site and keep the criticism to what the author has written and not what he/she is, should be, will become, etc?”I was doing a few different things and cut/paste the wrong reply. Sorry about that.

      Leonidas, we have a sizable list of authors from all over the map politically but a substantial (unfortunately) are not active. We’ll continue to do our best to bring as many different ACTIVE writers as possible. And thanks.

  • Leonidas

    So, despite the fact that she was recently not only the governor of a huge if sparsely populated state but also the VP candidate less than a year ago, despite the obvious push she will soon make to run for the highest office in the land, despite the fact that she is constantly shoving herself (and her family) into the spotlight at every possible chance, she’s not ok to talk about because she doesn’t currently hold an office (because of her own choosing)?

    So has Jazz or any of the other right of center authors here posted a lot of items about John Edwards? Seems that they are generally much more moderate than many of the left of center authors here, or at the very minimum more interested in real issues and not tabloid bits.

  • Leonidas — I’m not sure how your question follows the quote, but I think I see what you’re trying to say. My answer would be: no, but I don’t think that that is, in particular, a left-leaning bias. It’s that Edwards’ career is over, and even those of us who thought he was awesome and wonderfully idealistic and unique as far as passion for the poverty-stricken, even we now just shake our heads in disgust. Palin, on the other hand, was not ousted from her political career (she left it of her own accord and for higher ambitions), and we all know we’ll most likely see a lot more of her — like her or not, it seems inevitable that she’ll be in the national (and, from this article) international limelight for some time now. So the difference is: one is a story, the other is not. One is relevant, one is not.

  • Leonidas

    Well when Palin attempts to take on a government position, she is a valid target. The vitrol that the left aims at her now is nonsensical. I find such undisguised hatred of her puzzling. I can understand disagreement with her policies, but the left has gone far beyond that. Their suggestions that she wasn’t Trigs mother ranks right up there with the “Birther” loons, and there mischaracterizations of her Russian quote and other items aren’t much better. She had enough faults for valid criticism, I never liked her much myself (although I did like her attribute of being the only real non establishment outsider in the election), but the left went far beyond the valid. Well campaigns are like that and so be it, no biggie, but the campaign has been over long enough not to continue such nonsense, on a site that calls itself moderate.

  • casualobserver

    I think that Sarah Palin’s favorability percentages are just too darned low to be confiding to roro that she plans to run for POTUS.She ought to set her sites on an office where abysmal confidence from the American public is just fine…..like Democrat Speaker of the House or Senate Majority Leader.

  • “the left went far beyond the valid”

    In this, I do agree with you completely. The Trig rumors were beyond the pale, as were many other sexist, below the belt hits. The comment about Russia is fair game, in my opinion — she was answering a question about her foriegn policy experience for a job that’s one step away from the presidency, and she thought proximity had something to do with it. By that logic, everyone in El Paso is an expert on Mexico-US relations.

    “when Palin attempts to take on a government position, she is a valid target.”

    If she is over seas giving speeches to packed ballrooms full of international fund-managers on foreign and domestic policy, she’s presenting herself as a politician, as a public figure, as a representative of at least some of the American public, and as someone who believes she has or will soon have some sway over such issues. If she’s allowed to make this sort of speech, the rest of us need to have the ability to talk about what she’s saying and what she’s doing, whether she’s currently in an office or not.

  • DLS

    “I think the NEA thing is a story. From the sounds of it, some people in the white house broke a number of federal laws.”

    Of course it’s a story. But would it be reported here? Not unless it became so big that the media would be forced to face it, and would sensationalize it. Until then, it’s something to be suppressed, and anyone who mentions it is of questionable (politically incorrect) repute.

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/pcourrielche/2009/09/21/explosive-new-audio-reveals-white-house-using-nea-to-push-partisan-agenda/

  • DLS

    “The vitrol that the left aims at her now is nonsensical. I find such undisguised hatred of her puzzling.”

    Given the other silliness I’ve seen here lately, I’m not that puzzled any more. Annoyed or irritated, yes. She personifies social conservatives and the social-conservative face of the GOP, which makes her a natural object of such vitriol; she’s also popular (in fact, attracting defenders if not admirers the more scummy the attacks on her are), doing better than expected, in contrast to President Obama, not to mention the Democratic Party and the loony lib Dems in the House. (Why can’t the worst of them be stuffed and left in the UN General Assembly with their fellow freakish zoo creatures?)

    (Incidentally, there’s still no word on here about Obama’s speech to the beloved UN today. Granted, there was nothing that could be “spun” far to the left about it, and the waters didn’t part nor any other kind of miracle happen today. Still, I identify this as an example of neglect — which is more laudable than what can be said about the substitution of the Palin “story.”)

    • Personally I don’t get very excited about UN speeches from our Presidents. So I just can’t muster the finger strength to write something about. Now if we want to talk about Spongebob Squarepants, my fingers are energized for writing!

  • DdW

    In a Sept. 11, 2008 interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin said this about Russia: “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”

    And, no she hasn’t said (yet) that she could see China clearly from her Hong Kong hotel window.

    In a piece that contains satire (perhaps it was too subtle), such parody is common, and is generally not called “vitrol.”.

    I am not apologizing (except to those who have never–even in satire–criticized anyone–in government or not in government–or any group, or any political party), I am just clarifying.

    Thank you

    Dorian

    P.S. Perhaps our Site Adminsitrator ( T.S.) can dig up the “tags,” where I clearly included “satire.”

    I don’t know how to do it

  • DLS

    “I don’t get very excited about UN speeches from our Presidents”

    I don’t find the UN very exciting, either. For whatever reason(???), NPR did, however.

    “Spongebob Squarepants”

    I’m not out of ammo yet.

  • DLS

    There is a clear distinction between parody or satire, and true vitriol. The Palin phenomenon and the vitriol routinely directed at her is a broad and deep issue (whose scope obviously is not limited to thie start of this thread alone) and normally is no matter of fine distinction — it is obvious (and crude).

    • DdW

      Well, DLS, I am sorry that you can not tell the difference between the “true vitriol” that abounds, from the left and the right and my satire–albeit critical of Ms. Palin.But I’ll let you have the last word on this.

    • tidbits

      DLS –

      You said “the vitriol routinely directly at [Palin]…is obvious (and crude).” This from the person who, earlier in the thread, commented on target practice using an “Obama doll” as the target?

      Yeah, yeah, I know. When you do it, it’s satire; when someone else does it, it’s vitriol, obvious and crude.

  • kritt11

    Well, by the time ’12 rolls around, Palin will be a world traveler. And its no coincidence that she didn’t want any media coverage- she still blames the media for her loss in ’08.

    Even W was incredulous that Palin was picked for the VP slot, according to the new book out by one of his speech writers.

  • StockBoySF

    On Palin’s Russia foreign policy experience:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXL86v8NoGk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg

    Of course Palin no longer holds an elected office. But who, other than Rush Limbaugh can sway Republican’s opinions more than Palin? Who cares whether she’s an elected leader or not? She has more influence than Republican holding elected office. Of course what she does matters because people, including elected Republican “leaders” currently holding office, will follow her lead.

  • kathykattenburg

    As a matter of fact Roro posted the quote and what she could “see” had nothing to do with it. It was infact a SNL skit that morons keep repeating as if Palin had said it.I stand corrected on this point. Sarah Palin did not say she could see Russia from her house. Tina Fey said that on SNL. Sarah Palin said that Russia “was right over the border,” that there was “a very narrow maritime border” between Russia and Alaska, that “our next door neighbors are foreign countries; they’re in the state that I am executive of,” “they are right there; they are right next to our state.”You are correct. Sarah Palin did not claim to have foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from her house. She claimed to have foreign policy experience because Russia is Alaska’s next door neighbor, and right over the border. Tina Fey probably used that “from my house” line because it made what Palin said funnier, but obviously there is a world of difference between Palin saying that she can see Russia from her house and that gives her foreign policy experience, and Palin saying that Russia is right next door to Alaska and that gives her foreign policy experience. The first (the one Palin *didn’t* say) has to do with extremely close physical proximity; the second (the one Palin *did* say) has to do with close physical proximity. Or, to stretch a point, *very* close physical proximity. But certainly not *extremely* close physical proximity.So I was definitely wrong both on the technical point and on the substance.

    Take her to task for implying that Alaska’s location gives her some international experience, but there is a hell of a lot of difference between the reality and a SNL caricature.

    You are absolutely right. Sarah Palin opened herself to ridicule because she claimed to have foreign policy experience by virtue of Russia being in close physical proximity to Alaska. There IS a hell of a lot of difference between that and claiming that she had foreign policy experience because she could see Russia from her house. Russia would have to be a lot closer to Alaska for Palin to be able to see it from her house. It was ridiculous for her to have said Russia’s close physical proximity gives her foreign policy experience, but it would have been even more ridiculous if she had said being able to see Russia from her house gave her foreign policy experience. In other words, I think that in a pinch you could reasonably and legitimately claim that you have foreign policy experience because you are the governor of a state that is right next door to Russia. But there is no such legitimacy to claiming you have that foreign policy experience because you are governor of a state that is right next door to Russia and can see it from your house.

  • After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that she could see Russia from her house in Alaska, Sarah Palin can now add a second major power to her foreign policy credentials: China.

    I think Dorian needs to addend his original post with a correction. As several of the commentors have mentioned, Palin never made the “I can see Alaska from my house” comment. It was a remark made by Tina Fey (playing the role of Sarah Palin) on SNL to parody comments that Palin had made about having foreign policy experience based upon Alaska’s proximity to Russia.

    Whether it was an unintentional mistake or not, it ought to be corrected. TMV should not be in the business of printing things that are not true; that’s cable new’s job.

    • DdW

      nicriveria.

      Thank you for your comment. Perhaps you did not read my earlier comment:

      “In a Sept. 11, 2008 interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, Sarah Palin said this about Russia: “They’re our next-door neighbors, and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.”

      And, no she hasn’t said (yet) that she could see China clearly from her Hong Kong hotel window.

      In a piece that contains satire (perhaps it was too subtle), such parody is common, and is generally not called “vitrol.”.

      I am not apologizing (except to those who have never–even in satire–criticized anyone–in government or not in government–or any group, or any political party), I am just clarifying.

      Thank you

      Dorian

      P.S. Perhaps our Site Adminsitrator ( T.S.) can dig up the “tags,” where I clearly included “satire.”

      I don’t know how to do it”

      It was not unintentional and it was not a mistake. No need to correct, apolgize, or retract

      • kathykattenburg

        As a non-administrating contributing writer, for whatever my opinion is worth, you don’t need to apologize. And I want to thank you for that quote from Charlie Gibson, because I remembered her saying that, but I couldn’t find a link to the Gibson interview that included it.

        • DdW

          Thanks for your moral support, KathyDorian

          • kathykattenburg

            Glad to do it, Dorian.

  • DdW

    Please not the change in the opening paragraph and the Note.I can see where, even in satire, it was not correct.Thanks for pointing it out quite persistently. You were righjDorian

  • Dorian,

    Thank you for your reply to my comment. Had I read your previous comment in which you elaborated in more detail about Palin’s remarks during the Gibson interview, I probably would have written my comment differently.

    However, since Palin did not literally say that she could see Russia “from my house”, I still feel that the remark in your initial post could be misconstrued. Maybe a link to the Gibson interview would clarify her actual remarks?

    • DdW

      Thanks for the suggestion, nicrivera. That might have helped. Even better would have been to refer to Tina Fey.

      Hopefully any misunderstanding has now been resolved…we’ll see.

      Dorian

  • StockBoySF

    I don’t see much difference between Palin claiming foreign policy experience because Russia and Canada are neighbors and the Tina Fey line that claims foreign policy experience because she can see Russia from her house. Both statements are equally laughable as a qualification for foreign policy experience. But Fey'[s is funnier, only because Palin’s stretching is so sad because that is how deep she had to dig to come up with ANY foreign policy experience.

    • kathykattenburg

      There *isn’t* much difference; that’s the whole point. That’s why Tina Fey’s satirical line made sense as satire.

  • Leonidas

    Leonidas, we have a sizable list of authors from all over the map politically but a substantial (unfortunately) are not active. We’ll continue to do our best to bring as many different ACTIVE writers as possible. And thanks.

    Thanks for the reply, and yes not your fault if they are inactive, but if it gets too much of a lean on the active ones either to the right or the left, may be time to nudge a few or find others.

    P.S. should you ever need another right of center and are willing, I’d be happy to contribute. I think folks here would be a tad surprised in the differences between what I’d post on a site seeking to be moderate compared to my remarks as only a commentator who can merely react to the topics that are posted. I’d be right of center, but more often moderate than not.

    • kathykattenburg

      Leonidas, if being a contributor would end your incessant complaining about TMV not being moderate enough, I’m for it.

    • Leonidas,

      Click “Contact Us” at the top of the site and send e-mail so I have your e-mail address. And we’ll go from there. 🙂

  • Leonidas

    She claimed to have foreign policy experience because Russia is Alaska’s next door neighbor, and right over the border.

    Nope she merely claimed to understand how important relations were with Russia due to that.

    Sarah Palin opened herself to ridicule because she claimed to have foreign policy experience by virtue of Russia being in close physical proximity to Alaska

    Nope she did no such thing, SNL wanted something funny so they played with the quote and the context. Comsedians do that. She only said that being in close proximity made her aware of how important relations were. Considering that Russia is a major trading partner for Alaska, that environmental issues had commonality, and that agreements in regard to fisheries were something they had to work together on, its this surprising or inaccurate?

    No it isn’t.

    • StockBoySF

      Leonidas, “Nope she did no such thing [claim to have foreign policy experience by virtue of Russia being in close physical proximity to Russia]…”

      Straight from the horse’s mouth at time marker 35 seconds (or so):

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg

      To quote from the above link:

      Couric, “Explain to me why that [close proximity to Russia] enhances your foreign policy experience.”

      Palin, “It certainly does because our next door neighbors are foreign countries…”

  • Leonidas

    Please not the change in the opening paragraph and the Note.I can see where, even in satire, it was not correct.

    You still aren’t you have this in the opening paragraph: ” After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that Russia could be seen from Alaska, Sarah Palin can now add a second major power to her foreign policy credentials: China:As I pointed out above and is clear from what she actually said (see here http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/Story?i…) Palin made no such claim of expertize, only that her State’s proximity made her aware of how important relations with Russia are. Your first paragraph is still grossly inaccurate.

    BTW I don’t like Palin as a GOP candidate and I don’t like a lot of her viewpoints, but I do think she should not be so obviously misrepresented. All it does is show how many people base their knowledge on what parody is given on SNL than by actually looking at the interview. That no better than folk getting their news from only Limbaugh’s account.

  • kathykattenburg

    Nope she merely claimed to understand how important relations were with Russia due to that.

    Now, that is unequivocally false. Go back and listen to the Katie Couric interview. Your statement is flat-out untrue.

  • $199537

    The “see Russia from my house” statement was said by Tina Fey on SNL as a gag line. Palin said you can see Russia from Alaska, which is true. That hardly qualifies her as any kind of an expert on Russia I agree, but the post by DDW was a misquote and I’m glad he fixed it. Palin is plenty successful at making herself look foolish and doesn’t need any help.

  • casualobserver

    @@Leonidas, if being a contributor would end your incessant complaining about TMV not being moderate enough, I’m for [email protected]@

    Leonidas! Leonidas! Leonidas!

    Sounds like I’m in the Roman Colliseum. Although being appointed to contributing an alternative view here would bring a new definition to “being thrown to the lions”.

    • StockBoySF

      casualobserver, “Sounds like I’m in the Roman Colliseum. Although being appointed to contributing an alternative view here would bring a new definition to “being thrown to the lions.”

      ROFL. I love that image you conjured up. Thanks!

  • Marsh

    No Kathy, her response to Gibson when he asked if that gave her any insight into what the Russians were doing she said. “Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relations with these countries.” She was making the same point with Couric only Couric interpreted her comment to Gibson equating proximity with experience. It’s clear from her clarification to Gibson she was speaking of maintaining good relations with foreign governments. Don’t confuse her ability to express her ideas clearly with stupidity. Unequivocally false and flat-out untrue? Harsh and uncalled for.

    • DdW

      From Katie Couric’s interview with Sarah Palin, September 25:Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don’t know, you know … reporters.Couric: Mocked?Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials. Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there…Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

      “It certainly does” That sounds like a pretty affirmative answer to Couric’s question. “Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials”

      Of course, I could me misinterpreting that, or taking it out of context.

      • kathykattenburg

        Thank you for answering Marsh so I don’t have to, Dorian.

  • StockBoySF

    Marsh, “It’s clear from her clarification to Gibson she was speaking of maintaining good relations with foreign governments.”

    That is simply too delicious to pass up. You have a weird sense of what constitutes “maintaining good relations with foreign governments”.

    http://www.abc15.com/news/local/story/ABC-News-Gov-Sarah-Palin-warns-of-war-with-Russia/2lWPkOTMFEmuEs4l0OzkyA.cspx

    • Marsh

      Why?

  • Leonidas

    From Katie Couric’s interview with Sarah Palin, September 25:

    Couric: You’ve cited Alaska’s proximity to Russia as part of your foreign policy experience. What did you mean by that?

    Sarah Palin: That Alaska has a very narrow maritime border between a foreign country, Russia, and, on our other side, the land-boundary that we have with Canada. It’s funny that a comment like that was kinda made to … I don’t know, you know … reporters.

    Couric: Mocked?

    Palin: Yeah, mocked, I guess that’s the word, yeah.

    Couric: Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials.

    Palin: Well, it certainly does, because our, our next-door neighbors are foreign countries, there in the state that I am the executive of. And there…

    Couric: Have you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?

    Palin: We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there, they are right next to our state.

    “It certainly does” That sounds like a pretty affirmative answer to Couric’s question. “Well, explain to me why that enhances your foreign-policy credentials”

    Of course, I could me misinterpreting that, or taking it out of context.

    Thanks for saving me the trouble of posting what she actually said. You will note no claim of being an expert. None, Nada, ZILCHO. She only claims that her experience in dealing with her “neighbor” in such things as trade missions makes her more aware of issues affecting US Russian relations. Does anyone disagree with that? Would a Texas governor likely be more aware of issues regarding US-Mexican relations than say a governor of Alaska? This is common sense. She makes no claim at expertise, just that she knows more about US Russian relations as an Alaskan governor than she would if she weren’t one. It is simply not accurate to represent this by:

    After becoming an expert on U.S-Russia relations during her campaign for the vice-presidency by claiming that Russia could be seen from Alaska, Sarah Palin can now add a second major power to her foreign policy credentials: China.

  • Leonidas

    Leonidas,

    Click “Contact Us” at the top of the site and send e-mail so I have your e-mail address. And we’ll go from there. 🙂

    sent with an ATTN T-Steel =D

  • Leonidas

    Leonidas, if being a contributor would end your incessant complaining about TMV not being moderate enough, I’m for it.

    LOL, well I promise it will stop my complaining more than control of all three branches of government and a filibuster-proof majority by the democrats has stopped your incessant whinning about Republicans. =DBut thanks for the support. I do promise should I be made a contributer I won’t be in any disagreement other than a civil one with you or any commenter no matter what barbs they throw at me. In such a position of trust I would see myself as a representative of the blog and therefore make every attempt to be respectful.no matter what my personal thoughts were.

  • StockBoySF

    Marsh, “Why?”

    I don’t believe maintaining good relations with foreign governments means saber rattling. Did you read the linked article in my reply?

    She and McCain both came out against Russia in the South Ossetia flare-up.

    • Marsh

      SB –
      but that wasn’t the topic under discussion . . .

  • DLS

    “Remember she’s a strong supporter of the Alaska Independent Party.”

    There’s nothing wrong about this, or with being friendly to Texas secessionists, for example, for so much of the public has opposition of various kinds to federal overgrowth and overreach. Not only that, but the GOP has failed in past years in doing its job among those of us non-libs who want right-sizing of the federal government (if not going all the way back to its proper constitutional constraints, which is sound philosophically but a mirage in political reality). A better GOP and better kind of US conservatism, as a real alternative to liberalism and the Democratic Party, would be like turbo-doctors researching and practicing their way out of most of their current jobs.

  • redbus

    I’ll read your stuff, Leonidas. Your long posts a long time ago got me thinking you’re more of a contributor than a commenter, anyways. But be warned: I’ll criticize you like I criticize others. Also, as a former solo blogger, be aware that it can get obsessive. The first thought when you get out of bed will be: What’s something fresh that I can put up on the blog today?

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