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  • Salmenio

    Japan is a very overpopulated country. It is good they are geared toward conviction and issue a generous number of death penalties. I’m pro-capital punishment myself and I think we are way to soft.

    Some people say that capital punishment is not a very good deterrent. That is not really my concern. I no longer believe that deterent is possible. I’m more concerned with eradication of crime by the extermination of criminals rather than warehousing them or trying to rehabilitate them. Better they are dead.

    I realize this is not a very Liberal stand for a Liberal, so consider it my moderate credential.

  • Pyst

    Some people are beyond reconciliation, or rehabilitation. I agree with the death penalty for people of that sort, and I consider is one of my several conservative stances.

    But, (theres that supposed incincere word) I expect them to be double plus guilty, not half assed guilty.

    I don’t approve of lethal injection, I think a rope, or bullet does the job just fine. The victim didn’t get a humane death so the criminal deserves nothing better.

  • I too have no problem with the death penalty in theory, but in practice I am not convinced that we have adequate procedural safeguards to make sure it is being meted out only to the truly deserving (not to mention the actually guilty). And this seems to be 100x worse in Japan, with its 99% conviction rate that would make even a hard-hearted dictator blush.

  • Daniel CAZ Greenberg

    The ‘eye for an eye’ idea of giving inhumane death to those who have commited egregious crimes is, if nothing else, ancient.

    The idea of humane death is an elevation of the state. The Hammurabi logic’s been applied WAY too often in recent years for my liking, for a wide range of ideas.

    I’m for the death penalty and pro-choice, but in both cases I think an understanding of humanity isn’t necessarily a bad thing. They’re both weighted decisions.

    Sal: How about exile? I’m tempted to make the moon the new Australia.

    Pyst: See above.

    David: Innocent people get jailed, guilty go free. We strive for perfection, but never get to it. However, you’re right to say in a system with the stats that Japan has, there’s vast room for improvement.

  • Salmenio

    Daniel CAZ Greenberg

    I am not interested in an eye for an eye, but rather rapid death for violent crime and public caning for everything else. Especially traffic violations involving cell phones. We could even have roving caning crews for the implementation of swift justice over a car hood that would save time and court costs.

    For violent crime, its simple eradication of violent criminals for public protection that I seek. No repeat criminals being the obtainable goal. If the odd innocent gets killed, well consider it sacrifice for the greater good. Such as a soldier’s death.

    Exile to the moon? Why dirty a pristine environment Daniel? I would think acid vat would suffice for various reasons.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    “Eye for an eye” is of course a gross misunderstanding of the Hebrew Bible.

    I can support the death penalty in principle but in actual practice (at least in the USA) it is FUBAR and should be abolished.

  • Adam in Rochester

    I am 100% against the death penalty, in both theory in practice. The government should not have the power to kill people in cold blood, plain and simple.

  • Lynx

    I too am pro-death penalty, both as a deterrent and because I believe that certain sorts of criminals are aberrant humans that need to be culled from the population. I think that I’d support life in jail for criminals who have shown themselves to be a threat to others but not necessarily monsters. But it would have to be a REAL life sentence, no exceptions, no endless appeals process. Oh and sitting around in your cell is not an option, more like a life WORKINNG your ass off, digging ditches, fixing roads, picking fruit, paying for the food and roof you cost the people.

    Even with all that I still think there are people who simply should not live. I recall a child molester in Belgium; raped little girls, tortured them, let them die of hunger. That simply is a mistake of a human being, a bullet to the head can correct it nicely.

    Now, 99% conviction rate sounds awfully high. It’s likely that there are innocent people paying the price for crimes they did not commit. I’m not saying that the system should go nutso like the American, or soft as feathers like the Spanish one (you think the US is bad, come to Spain and watch true protection of the criminal against the victim) but there’s nothing wrong with putting SOME safeguards on the rights of the accused.

  • Holly in Cincinnati

    This is, unfortunately, exactly what has been said by some about both Jews and gay people! I don’t think you meant it that way.

    “certain sorts of criminals are aberrant humans that need to be culled from the population”

  • Tom Roland

    Hmmmm….
    1. Are we talking about “bad” for the prisoner or “bad” for the observer, who will probably live to see another day. Strangulation: bad for the prisoner. Decapitation: bad for the observer, VERY GOOD for the prisoner–quick and easy.

    2. Good point about having no idea when they will die. I’ve been tortured by this thought ever since I was about twelve years old and understood that I would die. I’m now 69 and I keep asking someone, anyone, to stop torturing me and tell me WHEN, WHERE, HOW will I die? I can’t stand it anymore. I think I’ll kill myself–but I can’t decide when, where, or how? Damn, the entire universe conspires against me and against those poor prisoners.

    3. How unfair not to let the prisoner’s loved one swatch him die. Again, my wife and kids would LOVE to know when, where, and how I’ll die. Indeed, some of them can’t wait to find out. We’re so much more civilized here in California. We have a whole gallery of concerned folks gaze in awe as the prisoner dies.

    4. Is the 99% conviction rate a result of innocents being convicted or of prosecutors being really careful about who they prosecute for capital crimes? Do you know? Did you ask? I don’t know the answer, but I have the sense to ask the question before going asshole up and bare out in public.

    5. The system is geared toward speedy conviction? Or, maybe, speedy trial? Gee, that’s terrible, which is why it was so really stupid that the ignorant American founders wrote such a ridiculous notion into the United States Constitution. Why can’t we not be in such a hurry, and let the prosecution meander and dawdle like it does in those enlightened nations like Rwanda, NIgeria, Russia, etc.?

    6. Uh, FOUR prisoners released in one decade because of forced confessions? Oh, Japan must have one of those stupid Habeas Corpus-type provisions in their law. You know, the kind that American conservatives are trying to get rid of in the United States. You know, “You’ve had your trial, now stop bothering us.”

    7. You might wanna sleep on this kind of report before you prematurely ejaculate next time.

  • gattsuru

    Decapitation isn’t always cut and dry. Some of the cruder methods are ugly – the human nec is hard to cut through, enough to take dozens of hacks with a sword or several with an axe to complete the job in some situations.

    Even the guillotine wasn’t really understood to be a nice death. The human brain can run for fifteen seconds after the heart is destroyed, after all.

    I’m a personal fan of lethal injection for the relative coldness and amount of ritual involved, but I guess it’s a cultural thing. While the death penalty is typically more expensive and probably isn’t a useful deterrent, it negates the possibility of parole, clemancy, or other legal messes used to screw up the system. Some people just deserve to die. But I’d prefer if a vast majority of them were undeniably guilty.

    And, yes, Amnesty Internation yelling about torture and unfair punishment is a bit useless a fact. These are the people that called standing in line too long a punishment, prison unfair punishment, willingness to commit crimes a sign of insanity.

  • Adam in Rochester:

    I am 100% against the death penalty, in both theory in practice. The government should not have the power to kill people in cold blood, plain and simple.

    I completely agree!

    Not only that, but the death penalty doesn’t work either – it doesn’t do anything regarding general prevention.

  • Chippedchips

    Executed in Texas….hmmmmm….yes.

    My desire is to be executed at the age 110 in Old Sparky, the electric chair, on multiple charges of rape…afterward its gonna take the mortician a month to wipe the smile off my ole smilin’ face.

  • Chippedchips

    Salmenio wrote: I’m more concerned with eradication of crime by the extermination of criminals rather than warehousing them or trying to rehabilitate them. Better they are dead.

    Eradication of crime…hmmmmm….uhhhhh….hmmmm.

    Is it a fair question to ask “just how long crime and criminals have been around?”

    I’d say fat chance for eradicating it.

    But execution of convicts proven guilty of capitol crime(s) by trial, then beyond any doubt through the appeals process, does deter…one criminal at a time.

    I also believe that punishment should fit the crime so I cannot subscribe to “extermination” of anyone for less than a capitol offense. Extermination of all criminals, which was at least suggested, just doesn’t make sense.

    Imagine executing some otherwise honest lil ole 85 year old granny on social security for stealing a bottle of asprin she couldn’t afford to buy.

    Caveat Venditor Salmenio…that could be you some day.

  • Chippedchips

    Per Michael van der Galien: Adam in Rochester:

    I am 100% against the death penalty, in both theory in practice. The government should not have the power to kill people in cold blood, plain and simple.

    I completely agree!

    Not only that, but the death penalty doesn’t work either – it doesn’t do anything regarding general prevention.
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