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Posted by on Oct 3, 2014 in Economy, Health | 34 comments

Fox Shocked That Obama Would Point Out Their Misinformation On Affordable Care Act

Obama is pushing back against the misinformation spread by Fox about the Affordable Care Act in a speech at Northwestern:

There’s a reason fewer Republicans are preaching doom on deficits — because the deficits have come down at almost a record pace, and they’re now manageable. There’s a reason fewer Republicans are running against Obamacare – because while good, affordable health care might seem like a fanged threat to the freedom of the American people on Fox News, it’s working pretty well in the real world.

He repeated the criticism of Fox on Twitter:

Fox was stunned, with Gretchen Carlson asking reported Ed Henry, “My question to you, Mr. Henry, is why would he do this?”

Most likely they will continue to report the same misinformation about both the deficit and Obamacare, with their viewers remaining out of touch with reality. While a futile gesture, it is good to see Obama respond to all the misinformation spread by Fox. Fox is certainly not going to admit that it was George Bush and the Republicans who were to blame for running up the deficit, or how much it has fallen under Obama’s far more conservative spending. Nor are they going to talk about how many more people are now covered under Obamacare, and how all the right wing predictions of doom have failed to come true.

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  • slamfu

    “Fox is certainly not going to admit that it was George Bush and the Republicans who were to blame for running up the deficit, or how much it has fallen under Obama’s far more conservative spending. ”

    You can back a lot further than that. In fact, going back to Nixon, EVERY single GOP President has left with a higher deficit, and EVERY democrat President has left with a lower one. To be fair though, for Jimmy Carter you have to adjust for inflation, but he kept it steady plus or minus a billion. Republican administrations blowing up the deficit is nothing new, and totally not in the general narrative. Once again, I don’t think I’ve ever heard a Democratic candidate mention this for reasons that are just beyond me.

  • JSpencer

    I think Fox is so used to getting a pass they’ve come to believe their own BS.

  • dduck

    Fox and Obama.

  • I’d say just Fox. There’s no comparison between the two in terms of falsehoods and delusions.

  • sheknows

    Good to know the White House is reading my emails to call them on their bs. 🙂

    Wish more Dems would pick up the ball and run with it.

  • So you are responsible for what Obama said. If I had known, I would have given you credit in the post. 🙂

  • sheknows

    🙂

    But seriously, I have written the WH on several occasions about the president’s image and the Dems appearing weak and non supportive.
    Judging from their replies, the only people reading my emails are one of many hired to screen content and send a generic reply .

    But I will keep at it. lol…..

  • dduck

    “There’s no comparison between the two in terms of falsehoods and delusions.”
    Really? Obama has made many misleading or false statements as do all presidents.
    To call Fox’s stuff on a level of importance/BS, is to minimize Obama’s stature.

  • Obama has certainly not been anything like Fox. He does not repeatedly put out outright misinformation as Fox does.

  • SteveK

    Obama has certainly not been anything like Fox. He does not repeatedly put out outright misinformation as Fox does.

    .
    Thanks Ron… It seems some are confused on the issue irregardless the facts.

  • SteveK

    Edit to add: I’m surprised that a ‘moderate’ voice has failed to comment on the new unemployment numbers.

    It seems to be all over the web
    :

    CNBC – Whew! Job creation shows rebound in September
    CNN – Unemployment falls below 6% for first time since 2008
    Fox Business – U.S. Added 248000 Jobs in September, Unemployment Rate Falls .

    ..

    And comments from around the web are hard, very hard to miss:

    Republicans destroyed the American economy on their watch. Let’s start, and end there.

    Now, the Fed was satisfied with the Obama and the Democrats stimulus and banking efforts, which added 4-5 million jobs and stopped a slide into another Depression, but things were thrown into chaos in 2011 when the GOP took power in the House and destroyed all further stimulus and job creation, slashed spending too soon, and threatened to refuse to pay our bonds and put us into default.

    The REPUBLICAN head of the Fed urged the GOP to change course and work with Obama. They refused. So the Fed stepped in with QE and saved the economy from the GOP. Obama stepped up by refusing any more compromise or cuts with the GOP and kept spending stable.

    The GOP are economic illiterates and anarchists who have the bizarre idea that bootlicking billioanires makes a good economy. Just the opposite.

    .

    Dow under Bush and GOP = 7000.
    Dow under Obama and Dems = 17,000

    Job growth under Bush = -750,000 per month
    Job growth under Obama = +250,000 per month

    Poor GOP, their timing could not be worse. UH OH, the unemployment rate is down below 6% and we added 248,000 new jobs. Compare that to the last day of the Bush Administration when we were hurtling into a new Great Depression.

    The Republicans are pure poison to the economy.

    Conservatives destroyed the economy in eight years or tax cuts, deregulation, and deficits. When they got the House in 2010, they threatened default and slashed spending fat too soon, hurting the recovery. Obama saved it.

    The ACA premiums were lower than expected. Insurance premium costs are going DOWN slightly this year, virtually unprecedented. The ACA is working and saving lives. The GOP want to keep people poor and uninsured and dying prematurely.

    Nobody but the base believes Republicans know anything about the economy or health care. And that is going to kill the party at the polls.

    .
    Seems the Kochs must be spending their money well…

  • dduck

    “Obama has certainly not been anything like Fox. He does not repeatedly put out outright misinformation as Fox does.”

    Wonderful: You can keep your doctor and insurance plan…., AQ has been decimated……, ISIS is a junior varsity group….., and a few others which will not be pointed out on this blog.
    Denial is not just a river in Egypt (our new pal which gets a hall pass).

  • slamfu

    Well, you can keep your doctor and plan. At least 95% can keep them. Obama was partially wrong on that because he gave a yes or no answer to a yes or no question, which is just what they wanted. I hardly consider something that is 95% correct to be a lie or piece of misinformation.

    AQ has been decimated. Much like I can pull weeds from my lawn and next month they’ll be back. Doesn’t mean we haven’t been killing their leaders left and right for the last 6 years. The fact ISIS is the new favorite of the sky is falling media is further proof.

    I don’t know where the JV team comment came from, but at worst he was simply wrong, not lying which is a huge difference, or more likely there was some context to the speech that is missing. Obama does not, no one does actually, intentionally spread misinformation like FOX News does. Either way his response to ISIS is exactly what I think we should be doing, as usual with his Foreign policy.

  • dduck,

    Nothing from Obama which you mentioned is a lie in the sense of the lies spread by Fox.

    When Obama said people could keep their insurance and their doctor, he believed he was telling the truth. He was correct in the context he intended–the Affordable Care Act does not force people into a new government controlled plan as conservatives (often appearing on Fox) were claiming.

    He was incorrect because other factors were involved. Insurance companies elected to cancel plans, often when they could be grandfathered in. Doctors go in and out of plans every year, regardless of Obamacare, but Obamacare does not assign people to new doctors.

    Most people had the option to get insurance, from the same company as before if they desired, with better coverage at a lower cost–a fact which Fox will never discuss.

    When Obama realized he was wrong, he not only apologized but acted to make it right by making it even easier to grandfather in old plans. They have requirements on networks in plans to try to limit the problems from narrow networks.

    Similarly, when Obama realized he was wrong on ISIS he changed course.

    In contrast to Obama, Fox intentionally lies, and when proven wrong they continue to spread the same lies.

    There is absolutely no comparison between Obama and Fox. Your inability to demonstrate any comparable dishonesty by Obama only serves to prove this point.

  • sheknows

    Both Slam and Ron nailed the difference between Fox and Obama . In fact, between the conservative right and reality.

    Both sides do NOT do the same thing. several lies have already been disproven…and yet like ” zombie lies” just keep being repeated in the calculated hope that people will believe it if said more often. It is also called brainwashing…and that is what Republicans do in order to keep their voters.

  • dduck

    Please.

  • dduck

    The president, anyone is way above Fox. Most people do not watch Fox or listen to what they say. The president, any president, has the bully pulpit and we generally are exposed to his speeches on several media forms. We also, have been raised to take as an article of faith that the president usually speaks the truth and to be skeptical of what is in the media. To say that what Fox says to its limited audience is any where as important as what the president says is an enormous leap and in a way diminishes the president’s credibility when put on the same level as a television channel.
    It is pure obfuscation by the in party against the out party.
    BTW: Just saying it ain’t so and spinning the points in a defensive manner don’t make it so.

  • Yes the president has the bully pulpit. That has no bearing on what is being discussed here. Fox intentionally misleads. Obama has sometimes been wrong but he has not intentionally misled in the way that Fox does. Just because more people might hear the president than Fox doesn’t alter this.

  • ROBERT COUTINHO

    I’m sorry, DDuck, but you are factually wrong about Americans (the presumed definition of “We”) have been raised to be skeptical of what is in the media. I had a visiting professor at my college give a talk on just that subject. There are waaaaaaaayyyyy too many Americans who actually believe that you can not print something if it is not true. Same when it comes to news talk shows (they understand that “Gilligan’s Island is fiction, but not Sean Hannity).

  • I would also question dduck’s claim that ” We also, have been raised to take as an article of faith that the president usually speaks the truth.” I think back to the credibility gaps of the Viet Nam era, Richard Nixon and Watergate, Ronald Reagan’s propensity to make things up, Bill Clinton’s claim of not having had sex with that woman, and George W. Bush lying us into the Iraq war.

    While we don’t take what a president says as an article of faith, Obama’s over-simplifications of the intricacies of health care are just not in the same league as these past presidential lies, or the lies coming regularly from Fox.

  • SteveK

    Obama’s over-simplifications of the intricacies of health care are just not in the same league as these past presidential lies, or the lies coming regularly from Fox.

    Ron, Anyone paying attention knows this to be true… Those in denial are people on the right intentionally distracting and trying to weigh-lay valid points being made.

    This thread as an example, of how main points being made get hijacked with talking points.

    Ron Chusid wrote:

    There’s a reason fewer Republicans are running against Obamacare – because while good, affordable health care might seem like a fanged threat to the freedom of the American people on Fox News, it’s working pretty well in the real world.

    dduck writes:

    Really? Obama has made many misleading or false statements as do all presidents.
    To call Fox’s stuff on a level of importance/BS, is to minimize Obama’s stature.

    And the thread and your point are successfully hijacked and the rest of the comments are not about the topic at hand but who lies the most.

  • I’m not saying dduck is in any way part of this, but there are known to be organized attacks on liberal blogs by right wingers using such tactics to try to shut down and distract discussion.

  • sheknows

    “(they understand that “Gilligan’s Island is fiction, but not Sean Hannity).”
    So true Robert 🙂

    ” right wingers using such tactics to try to shut down and distract discussion”.

    There is defect in Republican bran chemistry I believe. Truly, I do. Something is very different in that reasoning portion of the brain imo.

    Perfect example is Sara Palins response to Elizabeth Warrens comments about getting a higher min wage in this country and using fast food workers as an example of unlivable wages.
    Sara replies ” What…wait. What is she talking about fast food places.? I thought you guys were all vegan or something” Completely derailing the topic of minimum wages, she babbled on.
    Watch Bill Maher , any of his shows where a Republican is in the discussions. They all deflect

  • JSpencer

    There’s no comparison between the two in terms of falsehoods and delusions.

    I have few illusions about who Obama is or what his limitations are (including the single mindedness of his enemies) but Fox has a long and dedicated record of twisting and/or selectively ignoring facts in ways designed to stroke an audience that grows more cult-like by the year. The con may be on a grand scale, but it’s still a con.

  • The_Ohioan

    Very perceptive, JS. That’s exactly the way cults handle their members. The most important thing is to eliminate any outside influence. The next is to never, never, go off message. With real cults, they also control the food intake which affects the brain’s ability to function. Once under control, they can be persuaded to do or say anything. Like “I won’t vote for a Democrat because they spend like drunken, sailors” – and they believe it despite all the evidence presented. 🙂

    NPR had a fellow on the other day who has written a book on Charles Manson and how he controlled his followers. Partly through fear (any candidates out there come to mind?).

  • dduck

    LOL, I must compliment you liberals on your loyalty, especially in this echo chamber. Well done.

  • JSpencer

    I rest my case. 😉

  • slamfu

    Comment

    Most people do not watch Fox or listen to what they say.

    You are aware that FOX News it the #1 cable news channel by a dominant margin, right? Not that the President doesn’t carry a lot of weight when he speaks, but to ignore FOX because its “TV” seems a bit absurd to me. TV is a big source of(often bad) information for people, especially conservatives. Aside from the data I know that amongst my friends and family who are largely conservative, whenever we talk about things they all say the same wrong points to me. It’s like I’m having the same discussion with half a dozen people whenever we talk politics, and my conservative friends are always wrong IN THE EXACT SAME WAY. These ways just happen to coincide with GOP talking points that routinely find their way to the public via FOX. Anecdotal to be sure, but there is a common thread of misinformation out there.

  • JSpencer

    I must compliment you liberals on your loyalty, especially in this echo chamber.

    If I had a buck for every time a leftist position I’ve taken has been proven right and/or has been vindicated over the decades, I could make a pretty sweet donation to “this echo chamber”.

  • Sometimes when everyone is saying one thing, and presenting evidence for their position, and a lone duck is saying something else, without evidence, it means that the majority position is correct, not that there is an echo chamber.

  • slamfu

    Well Duck does have a point. A LOT of us agree on stuff to the point where looking out for any discussion turning into an echo chamber is a concern. Especially when people are talking about the equivalency thing, since people tend to remember things that agree with them its basically impossible to be objective about it without someone coming up with a standard for BS and then getting data on both sides.

    That being said, from my subjective point of view, it sure does seem a lot easier to find the BS coming from GOP supporters. It’s why I go to RedState and FOX News semi regularly to make sure I’m not just getting lefty slants on things.

  • It is definitely good to check out the opposing side, but make sure you wash your hands well afterwards. While there is a risk on both sides, I find the right wing sites to be far more of an echo chamber.

  • sheknows

    All anyone needs to do to understand the differences of the oarties is ask what are the solutions to some of the problems Republicans keep pointing out? If they have legitimate gripes, than they must have legitimate solutions to the problems that they feel beset our nation, right?

    I am willing to bet that not one Republican can name even one valid soltion to what they perceive as wrong, with Obama or anything Obama has done. Not one!!
    The reason is because they have no solutions, no better methods for running our government that don’t make them out to be delusional, outrageous, too religious, too bigoted, or too uncaring.

  • dduck

    Not one!. Wow, case closed.

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