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Posted by on Aug 1, 2014 in Featured, International, Middle East | 28 comments

Cairo Talks At Risk After Gaza Cease-Fire Collapses

Cairo Talks At Risk After Gaza Cease-Fire Collapses

  • sheknows

    “This morning, Hamas fired at our forces in S. Gaza in violation of a ceasefire. We suspect that an IDF soldier was kidnapped moments later”

    C/mon guys….these radical nut jobs just do not care one OUNCE for the Palestinian people. They use them as shields and want the whole world to blame Israel for defending themselves. Hamas has no concern for anyone or anything but their own religious jihad and blind hatred. The sooner Abbas speaks up, the better.
    He has been a real nowhere man in all of this and leaving it up to Hamas to cause death and injury to his own people is way beyond acceptable . There is no excuse for what they do and the blood of innocent children are on THEIR hands…clearly.

    When you see what happens when refuse to stop and you see your people being injured and killed as a result, and you still refuse to stop……there are not words of condemnation strong enough for me to use.

  • dduck

    “C/mon guys….these radical nut jobs just do not care one OUNCE for the Israeli/Palestinian people. Now, I agree.

  • jdledell

    As with most of this conflict, facts are shrouded in fog. My information, initially reported by Israel Army Radio, was that Lt. Hadar Goldin was captured 90 minutes before the cease fire began. When the IDF realized he was missing, their tanks and men advanced 2400 yards into the middle of Rafah apparently looking for their captured soldier. It was then that the IDF met resistance and the resulting firefight led to a complete breakdown of the cease fire.

  • sheknows

    And of course we all know, Hamas would never break a cease fire…….

  • jdledell

    sheknows – As I said the fog of war may have clouded this particular break in the cease fire. I’m not saying Hamas did or did not break this or any previous cease fire – I’m just reporting what supposedly was the initial army radio report. I was informed by a phone call from an Israeli friend who is FAR from a Hamas supporter. I did not hear the report directly.

  • rowdy

    Kerry goes to Turkey and Qatar and accomplishes what? Pelosi calls Hamas a humanitarian group. The UN, for the most part, aids and abets Hamas by turning a blind eye, and even gives rockets back to them that they originally confiscate and then give back to them. Hamas won’t rest until they have no one left standing. The are rabid dogs. Truman made the decision to use the hydrogen bomb when an invasion of Japan was imminent and the Japanese started training women and children to take up the fight. Thousands of civilians of all ages died, but it saved hundreds of thousands and ended the war. Go ask those who lived and fought through WWII if they disagreed with Truman’s decision. Israel is the only country in the world today with the disposition to pull the big trigger to put an end to this unyielding Hamas attack. I predict they will do so if it keeps up, and they will then turn and face the Iranians are dare them to utter a peep. Hide and watch.

  • jdledell

    Rowdy – Do you understand what you are doing when you start referring to people as “rabid dogs”? Dehumanizing a people is flat out immoral. To even suggest Israel solve their conflict with the Palestinians by dropping a nuclear bomb is not only immoral but insane. The degree of hatred you seem to harbor is unbelievable. Earlier you said you have no dog in this fight yet here you are thinking Israel should use a weapon of mass extermination on the Palestinians and then maybe turn the weapon of mass extermination on the Iranians. Hmmm – do I hear a woof woof ?

  • rowdy

    I repeat, have no dog in the fight. Your moral indignation has no bearing on the facts. I have not stated any support for what Israel might do; I have stated what I think they might do. I do side with Israel. I simply call um like I see um. I posted a historical fact that I think is similar to what I see happening here. Furthermore, the Israelis’ aren’t going to use a nuclear weapon in their backyard, but they can wipe out Gaza anytime they want to. If Hamas keeps pushing them, they are going to go the Truman route. If Iraq wants to screw with them after such action, then the big weapons come into play. They aren’t going to bow to worldwide pressure. IMHO

  • archangel

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  • jdledell

    dr -e can can weigh in on this topic but for me, I consider dehumanizing talk to be very dangerous. To many times in history, I’ve seen dehumanizing talk escalate into atrocities. Whether it was Germany during the shoah or Rwanda, unless voices are raised to resist such talk, the self-reinforcing commentary aspect of dehumanizing talk can go completely off the rails. I hear a lot of this kind of talk coming out of Israel these days and it really scares me.

    When a major Israeli newspaper can post an article advocating genocide against Palestinians and only pull it when the world reacts with revulsion. When talking about Gaza it is important not to talk about “wiping out Gaza” regardless of the weaponry used.

  • dduck

    True.

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    I totally agree with you, jdledell.

    To even suggest that Israel could/should/might pull the nuclear trigger to annihilate the “rabid dogs” — i.e. human beings — is deserving of every decent person’s moral indignation.

  • sheknows

    “rabid dogs “may be too harsh. How about saying , those with the mindset and lack of moral conscience that use children as suicide bombers and hide in hospitals and schools.
    I have heard ” they no longer do that” , like that makes these people alright now.
    Any organization that cares so little for the lives and well being of it’s children show a twisted, and evil mind that just doesn’t go away.
    They are still hiding behind civilians.

  • sheknows

    Jd says: “Rowdy – Do you understand what you are doing when you start referring to people as “rabid dogs”? Dehumanizing a people is flat out immoral”

    Oh, and Hamas is nothing if not “human” and moral.

    Dr E. this sudden appearance of another voice defending attacks on Israel is not a rule breaker Imo. I personally have no words harsh enough to describe the mentality and soulessness of those who use children as living bombs to blow up places.

  • sheknows

    edit…not defending attacks on Israel…I meant just defending Israel.

  • dduck

    Advice to the wise: cool it.

  • sheknows

    Rowdy, I believe your questions are legitimate except for one majr flaw. We are not proud of what we did. We know now,that it was perhaps the worst decision ever made by humans on this planet and therefore will never be repeated.
    To ask if the use of extreme weaponry ( nukes) is ever justified…the answer will always be an unequivocal “NO”.
    I appreciate your ferocity of emotion toward Hamas. They care nothing for the people. But make no mistake…I love Palestinians just as I love Israeli’s and think that even if you blasted the last Hamas terrorist into oblivion…the hatred which fuels such religious jihadists will blossom again…just as it does all over the middle east.
    That religious fundamentalism needs to be addressed.

  • dduck

    Truman was wrong. He should have done a demonstration on some unpopulated island first, and certainly should not have done Nagasaki. But this is all off topic.

    I’m sorry, I still think the people in Gaza, not the organization Hamas, are humans. Cornered and besieged ones and the Israelis are humans also and humans do overreact even when they hold the bigger power. Read about sieges and if the besieged hold out too long, they are in deep poop.

  • dduck

    BTW: Catapulting bubonic plagued rats and cows over the walls was an extreme tactic, I would not want that.
    Cutting off water was used, the modern version is to cut off the electric driven water and sewage pumps.
    Of course not letting humanitarian help in also is right up there with the above.
    At some point, if you are not careful, you lower yourself BELOW your enemies morals.

  • sheknows

    “Of course not letting humanitarian help in also is right up there with the above.”

    Just to be clear dd…humanitarian aid IS being allowed in to help those affected. But I agree, that at some point you become lower than the enemy.
    Like I said, dropping those bombs was our greatest shame. War is ugly…that’s what makes it a thing to be avoided at all; costs. Just because we can sit in air conditioned rooms and press buttons instead of hacking each other to bits with swords doesn’t make us any more civilized, and doesn’t make “collateral damage” any more acceptable.

  • jdledell

    This effort to make all Hamas members as some sort of unique evilness in the world does not adequately explain what is going on. Hamas comes in all stripes from their military wing to their humanitarian wing. Some are evil some are not and everything in between. My grandfathers bombs killed innocent women and children when detonated in marketplaces. Other Irgun and Lehi members did similar things. Should the British have tried to kill all the Jews as a result? Would they be justified? Had the British started bombing Jewish towns like is currently being done in Gaza there likely would not be an Israel today.

    I hear a lot of talk from Jews in Israel today wishing for the extermination of the Palestinians. Go to the talkbacks of Israeli newspapers and the comments are full of such talk. Does that make Israeli Jews evil like Hamas when they talk that way? I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again – both Begin and Shamir were stone cold killers who committed numerous evil acts, like my grandfather. Were they so evil they should not have been allowed to live, or did they redeem themselves by actions later in life? Are there are Begins and Shamirs among Hamas?

  • sheknows

    ” Were they so evil they should not have been allowed to live, or did they redeem themselves by actions later in life? Are there are Begins and Shamirs among Hamas?” So” evil they should not even be allowed to live jd”???? Wow……you sound just like Rowdy.
    No, they weren’t evil in comparison to what Hamas and their crazed jihadists have done and continue to do.
    I see no “humanitarian” Hamas.. I see crazy, religious extremists that will stop at nothing to rid the land of the Jews. That is what they teach their young, that is what they live and gladly dies for and sacrifice children for.

    THEY are pure evil….not leaders of a country who defends against them!

  • dduck

    Sigh.

  • jdledell

    Weep

  • archangel

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  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    Sorry to see you leave us, Mr. Johnson.

    I know Hart Williams would love to have you back. 🙂

  • rowdy

    Yeah, I know he would. Has he healed up yet?

  • DORIAN DE WIND, Military Affairs Columnist

    The real question is, “Have you?”

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