Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year

March 9th, 2008
By MARK DANIELS

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It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week.

So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate?

There is a particular sense to it. Such marriages of convenience between the numbers two main contenders for their parties’ nominations are thought to unite the parties and to shore up whatever perceived deficiencies exist in the top candidates with the strengths of their chief rivals.

In 1960, John Kennedy reassured a Southern region, traditionally Democratic but skeptical of his Roman Catholic faith, by asking Lyndon Johnson to be his Veep.

In 1980, after they sometimes seemed openly contemptuous of one another in their competition for the Republican nomination, Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush patched things up to make up their party’s ticket.

So, if Obama becomes the nominee of the Democratic Party, would he name Clinton as his running mate? I doubt it.

For Obama, having Clinton onboard is too risky.

Several reasons. First, she is the most polarizing political figure in the United States. By most accounts, she has a 48% disapproval rating, a far larger figure for anyone ever nominated by a major political party.

On top of that, Obama’s stock in trade is “change.” No matter how hard she tries to package herself as the candidate for change, Clinton represents for many Americans the same old “trash and burn” politics of character assassination practiced by our two most recent presidents, one named Bush and the other named Clinton. Senator Clinton herself has seemed to practice that questionable art throughout this process, particularly in recent weeks when, desperate to catch up to Obama, she has gone deeply negative.

Obama’s greatest weakness entering the fall, especially if the economy improves, will be national security. Few Democrats will be able to offer credentials in this area comparable to those of John McCain, a military veteran and one who has established what I would regard as limited bona fides in this area over a period of decades. I say “limited” because, after all, McCain has never commanded military personnel, never been an ambassador, never worked at the State Department in a crisis situation, never been president. It’s hard to get national security experience apart from such circumstances.) And despite the now-famous “It’s three-o’clock in the morning…” Clinton TV ad, she is no more credentialed in this area than Obama.

And what if Clinton wins the nomination? Would she ask Obama to run with her?

The fact that Bill Clinton is pushing this idea indicates to me that Team Clinton is considering it. Desperation may be behind it. She is in second place with little mathematical prospect of overtaking Obama among elected delegates and the superdelegates unlikely to buck primary and caucus voters no matter how slim the Illinois senator’s margins of victory.

The Clinton-Obama trial balloon reminds me a bit of what Gary Hart tried in 1980. Locked in a battle for the Democratic nomination with Walter Mondale, he found his prospects dimming after Mondale announced that he’d asked New York Congresswoman Geraldine Ferraro to be his running mate. The nomination, putting the first woman on a major party’s ticket, fired people’s imaginations and definitively tilted the race in Mondale’s direction. Hart said, “Me too. I’ll ask Ferraro to be my Veep as well.”

The Clintons seem to be saying of Obama, in spite of all the mud they’ve flung and are flinging his way, “If the people like Obama, we like him too. He’ll be on the ticket with Hillary.”

Furthermore, Obama would help Clinton. She has a solid lock on about 40-51% of the Democratic base, most of whom would vote for her in the fall even if they haven’t done so in the nominating process. But Obama could possibly help her to appeal to independents.

This is something she desperately would need should she be nominated. But whether independents with misgivings about politics as usual could get over their dislike of Clinton just because Obama is on the ticket is a question open to debate. And in fact, appearing on the ticket with Clinton in any combination would likely hurt Obama and take away his cache as a change agent. It’s doubtful he could bring many of his supporters with him to vote for Hillary Clinton.

But the bottom line is, I don’t think that Obama would personally choose to be Clinton’s Veep. He’s forty-six and can bide his time, awaiting an opportunity to become president later. Clinton is the only Democrat who can likely kick away the extraordinary prospects the Democrats had for winning the presidency this year. Polarizing and practiced in the worst political arts, she isn’t the change the general electorate is looking this year. Obama won’t want to tether his rising star to her likely sinking ship.




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    Agree. Not happening. Hill will have to settle for being the first female majority leader in a few years.
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    A fascinating speculation is what would the Clinton's and the Democratic Party have to offer Obama for him to take VP?
    Perhaps Hillary agrees that she will step aside in four years. If Clinton is POTUS then she takes the heat for dealing with Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... She has to start the messy Health Reform process. She has to take on the Budget and immigration problems. Meanwhile Obama can be the point man for relatively easier missions: Energy reform, Environmental protection, Consumer protections, Education reforms. And ,as a alternative, a Supreme Court Seat. Also it could be Obama's mission to campaign for 2010 congressional seats and build political capital.
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    PS:
    I think that it would be anything from politically risky to suicidal for Obama to take the vice presidential nomination on a ticket with Clinton. With her negatives, it's likely that Clinton will lose, meaning that whatever Obama might gain from the venture would not be offset by the supreme sense of disappointment his followers would have should he be on the same ticket with Clinton.

    If such a ticket were to win, I can't see Hillary Clinton stepping aside after four years. It isn't in her nature.

    If, under the remote circumstance that Clinton wins the nomination, I am sure that she would offer the second spot to Obama and he would be under intense pressure to take it. She needs him a lot more than he would need her.

    Obama, like McCain, has appeal to people outside the traditional base of his party. But, as I have said of McCain, he need not, should he be the presidential nominee, look to shore up the Democratic base. The hardcore Dem base won't desert him any more than the Republican hardcore base will desert McCain. That means, he can pick a vice presidential running mate who helps him in other ways, particularly on nationa security.

    Clinton at the top of the Democratic ticket helps the Republicans' admittedly problematic prospects for the fall. Clinton in the second spot is nearly as deadly for Democratic chances. She's poison and Obama will, I think, avoid being connected with her in any way this fall.

    Mark
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    cosmoetica:
    I agree with you.

    Mark
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    obama’s greatest weakness entering the fall, especially if the economy improves,

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    tell us another good one.
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    MJ Daniels- It would be interesting to see polling on how Obama fans would react if he chose the VP slot if offered by Sen Clinton. If they stuck with him, it could help push her over the top in the presidential race. For me, it would be the dream ticket because I like them both, and this destructive bickering would at last end. Their policy goals and political leanings are very similar, so the true test would be the public's reaction to the ticket, and Obama's ability to work with her.
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    call me a cynic, but I think the Clintons' floating the idea is a ploy, in hope that some of those undecided might think, 'oh, I can have them both if I vote for Hillary.' I don't think either would agree to be veep for the other.
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    My first reaction to the possibility of a Clinton/Obama ticket is that Obama should jump at the chance, since I think it would insure that McCain would win, leaving Obama in a position to run again in 4 or 8 years. A quick check of history shoots that done though...the last time a vice presidential candidate on a losing ticket later went on to win the White House was in 1920 - FDR ran as VP and the Dems lost to Harding. And GreenDreams is right - Hillary has no intentions of Obama running with her.
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    Obama would be crazy to take the VP slot. Everyone knows that Hillary's de facto VP is going to be Bill. Between Hillary and Bill there would be absolutely no room for Obama to be anything more than a figurehead.

    Forget any promise by Hillary and Bill to step aside early - it's not in their nature. Just ask Gordon Brown how good promises like that really are. On the other hand, I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be equally ridiculous. It might help in the General Election but in running this country it would be a disaster. Hillary and Bill would try to undermine everything Obama would try to accomplish.
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