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	<title>Comments on: Somalia Waving Islamists&#8230; Goodbye(?)</title>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9985/somalia-waving-islamists-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-40865</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news indeed. The west can take lessons from Ethiopia in fighting the jihadists. And I certainly agree that its ashame the west didn&#039;t support Israel in its battle against hezbollah. Israel continues to be the victim of a double standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news indeed. The west can take lessons from Ethiopia in fighting the jihadists. And I certainly agree that its ashame the west didn&#8217;t support Israel in its battle against hezbollah. Israel continues to be the victim of a double standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Somali Islamists Run Walk Briskly Away - Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blue Crab Boulevard &#187; Somali Islamists Run Walk Briskly Away - Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jan 2007 02:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] UPDATE: Others: Secular Blasphemy, Power Line, Sister Toldjah, Gun Toting Liberal, The Moderate Voice, Prairie Pundit, A Blog For All, Op For, Hot Air, Reformed Chicks Blabbing, Mindflame, Captain&#8217;s Quarters, &#160;Bits Blog, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Gun Toting Liberal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gun Toting Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 20:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, loved your coverage, brother... also, thank you so much for the link and WAY too kind comments :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, loved your coverage, brother&#8230; also, thank you so much for the link and WAY too kind comments <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Gun Toting Liberal â„¢ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Decider: Please choose a war &#8220;strategerie&#8221; between one of the following models - Ethiopia&#8217;s or France&#8217;s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gun Toting Liberal â„¢ &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Dear Decider: Please choose a war &#8220;strategerie&#8221; between one of the following models - Ethiopia&#8217;s or France&#8217;s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 19:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ***** Our friend, Michael van der Galien of The Moderate Voice weighs in with Somalia Waving Islamistsâ€¦ Goodbye(?) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mikkel</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/9985/somalia-waving-islamists-goodbye/comment-page-1/#comment-40835</link>
		<dc:creator>Mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jan 2007 18:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great news and I&#039;m really glad it was so quick (in the first thread I said I wasn&#039;t sure we should support it since I feared destabalization..and I still do). However I have some problems with the generality of the post.

It&#039;s not like Somalia had a functional government that the Islamists overthrew. Just a short time ago they were merely one of many warlord groups vying for power and gained territory quickly because they were more organized and the people were tired of the warlords&#039; brutality (not sure why they thought the new guys would be better). The situation is closer to Afghanistan than Lebanon in that almost all the power players are &quot;bad&quot; guys that aren&#039;t interested in a central government. An article I read made it very clear that even now the local warlords are &quot;allowing&quot; the Ethiopia/UN backed government troops to be in their area.

It&#039;s hard to give aid to such a country when the power structure is so factional. I think this is a place were traditional foreign aid and neoconservatism both fail. They both assume that there is a relatively centralized power structure but we&#039;re seeing this isn&#039;t the case at all. Al Qaeda and its ilk can still operate in the country as long as there&#039;s chaos -- indeed our government feared this even before the Islamists appeared on the scene.

For more about Lebanon and why it&#039;s not a very good analogy, I think you should read Michael Totten&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great news and I&#8217;m really glad it was so quick (in the first thread I said I wasn&#8217;t sure we should support it since I feared destabalization..and I still do). However I have some problems with the generality of the post.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not like Somalia had a functional government that the Islamists overthrew. Just a short time ago they were merely one of many warlord groups vying for power and gained territory quickly because they were more organized and the people were tired of the warlords&#8217; brutality (not sure why they thought the new guys would be better). The situation is closer to Afghanistan than Lebanon in that almost all the power players are &#8220;bad&#8221; guys that aren&#8217;t interested in a central government. An article I read made it very clear that even now the local warlords are &#8220;allowing&#8221; the Ethiopia/UN backed government troops to be in their area.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to give aid to such a country when the power structure is so factional. I think this is a place were traditional foreign aid and neoconservatism both fail. They both assume that there is a relatively centralized power structure but we&#8217;re seeing this isn&#8217;t the case at all. Al Qaeda and its ilk can still operate in the country as long as there&#8217;s chaos &#8212; indeed our government feared this even before the Islamists appeared on the scene.</p>
<p>For more about Lebanon and why it&#8217;s not a very good analogy, I think you should read Michael Totten&#8217;s blog.</p>
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